Chaos in Minnesota...ICE agents attacked, protester shot

[Always]

Before we cast stones upon federal agents in Portland, I think it would make sense to know what happened.

It is troubling and deeply sad and disappointing to read anyone who is in Christ defending Sinners who are violating our laws in America.

That is not what we are suppose to do.
The anger here is surprising. The filthy darkness has found a way among the people of light.

In the Word God, Jesus defended the woman caught in adultery, which WAS against the law. Real Christians will stand up for right to defend ones against unjust laws, especially when the stones being casts are bullets

 

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In the Word God, Jesus defended the woman caught in adultery, which WAS against the law. Real Christians will stand up for right to defend ones against unjust laws, especially when the stones being casts are bullets

You defend evil and condemn righteousness.

That is anti-Christ.

 

[Button]

The evil is coming out fast and furious.

Yes.

ARIA says of Tren de Aragua ,

• "Tren de Aragua" is a transnational criminal organization originating from Venezuela.
• It is considered one of the most powerful criminal groups in Venezuela.
• The gang has expanded its operations beyond Venezuela's borders.

ICE agents did not shoot those Portland Tren de Aragua operatives.

 

[mailmandan]

The evil is coming out fast and furious.

Things just keep heating up!

 

[Debp]

Yes.

ARIA says of Tren de Aragua ,

• "Tren de Aragua" is a transnational criminal organization originating from Venezuela.
• It is considered one of the most powerful criminal groups in Venezuela.
• The gang has expanded its operations beyond Venezuela's borders.

ICE agents did not shoot those Portland Tren de Aragua operatives.

Tren de Aragua took over an entire apartment building in Colorado... actually I later heard it was two buildings.

They were charging the tenants rent, walking around the hallways with AK assault rifles and terrorizing the tenants.

One older woman said the gang dealt drugs outside of her window 24/7...plus they blasted their music by her window. She put up six security cameras outside her apartment door and got film of them with the assault rifles.

Finally a council woman hired a moving truck and helped the older woman move out of that building.

 

[Debp]

Heard an update on the officer involved. He had previously been dragged 100 yards by a car with a suspect. He was injured in that incident.

 

[Button]

Tren de Aragua took over an entire apartment building in Colorado... actually I later heard it was two buildings.

They were charging the tenants rent, walking around the hallways with AK assault rifles and terrorizing the tenants.

One older woman said the gang dealt drugs outside of her window 24/7...plus they blasted their music by her window. She put up six security cameras outside her apartment door and got film of them with the assault rifles.

Finally a council woman hired a moving truck and helped the older woman move out of that building.

I remember that reporting. And local police did nothing.

 

[Rita]

The risk is taken by the criminal as the story unfolds.

For some reason many Christian’s, like you, are acting to subvert justice. She acted to subvert justice. The agent of justice stood in front of her car, which he has the authority and duty to do in execution of law enforcement operations. You’re sorry for the wrong group.

DOUBLE STANDARDS. This summer when rioters got in front of ICE vehicles, ICE was told they can’t run over the rioters. They have the burden. Now that the situation is reversed, the law breaker has no burden.

Well at least you class me as a Christian, many don’t get that label from you when they say something you don’t agree with. Also perhaps you could take my comment in context. Stating that a person stands in front of a moving car is putting themselves at risk is merely stating a fact. I didn’t say he no right to do that so jump down off your high horse .

 

[Wrangler]

I didn’t say he no right to do that so jump down off your high horse .

My high horse is justice. Your high horse is defending criminals and lawlessness In misguide hyper-grace.

Well at least you class me as a Christian, many don’t get that label from you when they say something you don’t agree with.

I don’t know if you meant to write that about me individually. Normally, I steer clear of rejecting someone as a Christian. What I have said recently is many in Christiandom are overly-spiritualized, embraced hyper-grace, ignoring that God calls us to do justice. Micah 6:8.

This is what justice looks like. Either the criminal is brought to justice or justice is brought to them. It can get ugly but that does not make it wrong. Cleaning up evil is a dirty job.The woman got what she deserved. Maduro got what he deserved. PERIOD.

 

[Debp]

This guy does good commentaries. He goes over what happened frame by frame.

Also the woman had been following ICE around all day, trying to obstruct them. And she didn't even live in Minnesota...came from another State to try to obstruct.

 

[Button]

This guy does good commentaries. He goes over what happened frame by frame.

Also the woman had been following ICE around all day, trying to obstruct them. And she didn't even live in Minnesota...came from another State to try to obstruct.

The woman is not a victim. She was an aggressor.

She knew the agents were armed. She tried to run one of them over.

A thousands of pounds vehicle against a hundred+ pound human. No contest. Unless,that human is trained to use a firearm. Which she knew they carried.

She intended to kill an ICE agent. And who knows,she could have intended to commit suicide in a failed idea of being some kind of martyr.

The reality she took on is, when you try to drive over an armed law enforcement official ,you can't be surprised when you die.

Rational people of a good heart do not commit to an act of vehicular homicide.

I pray she finds peace in death. I am grateful she didn't die a murderer. At least I hope she didn't.

 

[Debp]

I pray she finds peace in death.

The only way she will is if she believed in Jesus Christ as her Savior. He is the way to have forgiveness of sins and eternal life.
But by her lifestyle... ???

 

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The only way she will is if she believed in Jesus Christ as her Savior. He is the way to have forgiveness of sins and eternal life.
But by her lifestyle... ???

I don't know. I can only hope she knew Christ.

 

[Grailhunter]

I applaud him shooting her. This stuff has to stop. Attacking a federal agent should carry a 20 year mandatory sentence. When weapons are used guns, sticks, rocks etc they should return fire. If they do this a lot of this will stop.

 

[pompadour]

It is going to get ugly.


Walz is framing this preparation as a protective measure for Minnesotans against what he calls “sensationalized” federal operations. He stated, “These National Guard troops are our National Guard troops.”


On Thursday, Walz is now positioning the National Guard not just to stop rioters, but as a “heads up” against what he calls a “war” being waged by federal agencies against his state.

 

[SavedInHim]

Nothing that woman did justified murdering her. If she was an agitator, if she was following ICE around, if she failed to comply with an order to get out of her car, none of that justified killing her.

The main argument seems to be the agent was in fear for his life; okay, let's look at that.

First, he was a trained agent with years of experience. One of the first things his training should've taught him is never step in front of a vehicle. Second, what if his first shot wasn't the fatal shot and she was still alive when he fired the second and third shots while he was completely clear of the car and was in no danger at all? He didn't follow any of his training, but acted recklessly and intended to kill Renee. Lastly, state regime media was quick to say he was run over and had to go to the hospital. Everything they've said about this are lies. He was barely bumped, but didn't fall down; in fact, he was able to get out of the way and fire two shots when he was in no danger. Then he walked down to the car after it crashed. Renee was not aiming her vehicle at the agent; she was driving away from him.

It doesn't matter how they want to spin this, what happened was that a rogue ICE agent didn't follow his training and murdered a US citizen unnecessarily all for a Trump political stunt. This whole situation brings tears to my eyes.

 

[Rita]

Yes. And there's the opinion that those Christians who support President Trump can no longer be called Christian.

I have never thought that - I don’t think anyone has the right to question where someone else stands before the Lord because of views they may hold.

 

[Rita]

My high horse is justice. Your high horse is defending criminals and lawlessness In misguide hyper-grace.



I don’t know if you meant to write that about me individually. Normally, I steer clear of rejecting someone as a Christian. What I have said recently is many in Christiandom are overly-spiritualized, embraced hyper-grace, ignoring that God calls us to do justice. Micah 6:8.

This is what justice looks like. Either the criminal is brought to justice or justice is brought to them. It can get ugly but that does not make it wrong. Cleaning up evil is a dirty job.The woman got what she deserved. Maduro got what he deserved. PERIOD.

I wasn’t defending criminals or lawlessness, I don’t think I said anywhere in my posts yesterday that I thought the women in question should not have stopped, do I think she deserved to die, No I don’t. Having compassion for someone that lost their life and the rippling effect it will have within her family is something I just feel deep inside me - I often have that compassion for people who others reject outright. It’s just there so if you have an issue with that please let The Lord know as I believe it comes from Him.

 

[Wrangler]

This guy does good commentaries. He goes over what happened frame by frame.

Also the woman had been following ICE around all day, trying to obstruct them. And she didn't even live in Minnesota...came from another State to try to obstruct.

I'm reminded of the movie Total Recall, "I got 7 kids to feed." This one had 3 but she obviously had other priorities, like facilitating a meeting with her maker.

 

[Scott Downey]

Did you watch this video with the different angle? The agent was actually hit by the car...watch the video closely.

She was clearly driving towards the agent who was in front of her car (two agents were on the side of the car, the third agent was in front.)

She should have stopped her car and complied with the agents. And if she hadn't blocked the street to impede agents, this incident wouldn't have occurred.

She was resisting authority, blocking the road
ICE agents hand on the door. They are telling her to stop, she is seeking to leave, so then eluding and evading.
She did hit the agent in front of the car, who was there to block her from leaving.

Romans 13 is on the side of the governmental authorities, and maybe people should think about when this was written, the apostle was speaking of the Roman government, not necessarily good, not Christian, but was established by God, and the believers were commanded to obey the governmental authorities. Jesus also paid taxes and told His people to not cause offenses to the government. God does provide for His own people.


1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will [a]bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

Matthew 17
24 When they had come to [h]Capernaum, those who received the [i]temple tax came to Peter and said, “Does your Teacher not pay the temple tax?”

25 He said, “Yes.”

And when he had come into the house, Jesus anticipated him, saying, “What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth take customs or taxes, from their sons or from strangers?”

26 Peter said to Him, “From strangers.”

Jesus said to him, “Then the sons are free. 27 Nevertheless, lest we offend them, go to the sea, cast in a hook, and take the fish that comes up first. And when you have opened its mouth, you will find a [j]piece of money; take that and give it to them for Me and you.”