Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[saved by grace 101]

And here you go again with your passive aggressive war against the commandments. And too afraid to admit that obedience to all Ten Commandments must of necessity become apparent in anyone's life who submits themselves to Christ, because we are called to walk as He walked, and He kept all His Father's commandments. Keeping the commandments are inevitable for those who walk with Him.
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So why are you transgressing the TC? You don't believe you are condemned do you?
I grew up with this in the pentecostal church of my youth. People making '''pat statements''' they did not even try and follow in their own lives. You crush the sincere by doing so, the second greatest commandment is being ignored. But as the people insisting you must obey the TC appear not to understand the pristene level they are set at I suppose it is not surprising.
You measure your christianity against what the bible terms the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation
When you cease all impure thoughts, putting anything before God in your life, telling any even little fibs about another, erecting any graven images in your mind, desiring anything of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household, you would be closer to making the statement you yourself obey the TC, but even then you would still fall short
And may I repeat, in my experience of nearly fifty years, it is the people who keep insisting you must obey the TC who are the most flagrant transgressors of those commands. So who cares more concerning obedience of what is written in those laws people who insist you obey them or people who don't?

 

[Brakelite]

Old Testament Laws do not apply to Christians. The moral teachings of the New Testament are not Laws. Old Testament Laws were unforgiveable. No salvation in the Old Testament.

Christian do not observe the Jewish Saturday Sabbath.

Correct. We observe a global universal Sabbath created for all mankind on the 7th day of the week. There was never any such thing as a Jewish Sabbath.

 

[Brakelite]

If obeying a set Saturday sabbath was written on your heart and mind, and the hearts of all in your denomination, why did you not believe that until you read of law written in ink

Which do you believe is more reliable? Your heart or God's word?

 

[Brakelite]

So why are you transgressing the TC? You don't believe you are condemned do you?
I grew up with this in the pentecostal church of my youth. People making '''pat statements''' they did not even try and follow in their own lives. You crush the sincere by doing so, the second greatest commandment is being ignored. But as the people insisting you must obey the TC appear not to understand the pristene level they are set at I suppose it is not surprising.
You measure your christianity against what the bible terms the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation
When you cease all impure thoughts, putting anything before God in your life, telling any even little fibs about another, erecting any graven images in your mind, desiring anything of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household, you would be closer to making the statement you yourself obey the TC, but even then you would still fall short
And may I repeat, in my experience of nearly fifty years, it is the people who keep insisting you must obey the TC who are the most flagrant transgressors of those commands. So who cares more concerning obedience of what is written in those laws people who insist you obey them or people who don't?

So my perceived failings are your excuse?

 

[saved by grace 101]

Correct. We observe a global universal Sabbath created for all mankind on the 7th day of the week. There was never any such thing as a Jewish Sabbath.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Rom 14:5
I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. verse14
Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All(ALL) food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble verse20

 

[saved by grace 101]

Which do you believe is more reliable? Your heart or God's word?

God's word trumps everything, including your views. And in God's word, it is stated that if we have never known of biblical law we can show the full requirements of the law are writtten in our hearts, obviously by the way we act. There is no one in your denomination who believed they should set aside a set Saturday sabbath, prior to reading biblical law written in ink

 

[saved by grace 101]

So my perceived failings are your excuse?

Let me repeat, in my experience the people who insist you must obey the TC are the most flagrant transgressors of those laws. I cannot flippantly excuse myself of anything, for applicable law is in my most inward parts. Why do you tell people the righteous will obey the TC? Dont you think that is a misleading statement, for you believe you are righteous though you transgress them, why not tell people that?

 

[saved by grace 101]

So my perceived failings are your excuse?

BTW
Do you believe the leaders of the first century church gave gentile converts a licence to sin?
In Acts ch15 Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to discuss with the leaders of the church which Jewish laws gentiles be asked to follow. Four were mentioned, three of which are widely considered to have been given to keep unity at the meeting. Avoiding the levitical unclean foods was not one of them. So, if you and your denomination were correct, the leaders of the first century church gave gentile converts a licence to sin for the whole of their lives, for years later they confirmed to Paul they were still only asking gentiles to follow the same four laws.
I think that shows, your views on applicable law, and those who think like you are not to be trusted

 

[Grailhunter]

Correct. We observe a global universal Sabbath created for all mankind on the 7th day of the week. There was never any such thing as a Jewish Sabbath.

Do you know that the Jewish Sabbath is on Saturday?
This was instituted by the Old Testament.
Christians worship on Sunday. Now how did that shift from Saturday to Sunday happen?
For one, Jewish-Christians observed the Jewish Saturday Sabbith, but the Gentile-Christians were not allowed in the Temple.
The shift to Sunday worship is a matter of history and is not clearly outlined in the Bible because it started to happen after the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD.
Jewish-Christians were still observing parts of the Mosaic Law.
Paul and the meeting in Jerusalem did away with this for Gentile-Christians.
After the close of the biblical era Gentile-Christians made some changes.
The Bible does not indicate a stop for polygamy and concubinage and does not show a change of the day of worship to honor the day that Christ resurrected.
The Jewish-Christians died out after the 1st century. And Christianity put an end to polygamy and concubinage and started the Sunday worship. No indication in history of Christians worshipping on Saturday after the 1st century.
Now I do realize that there are Christians that like to mix the Old and New Testament more or less attempting to resurrect the Jewish-Christian beliefs and traditions but not mainstream Christianity.

 

[Brakelite]

God's word trumps everything, including your views. And in God's word, it is stated that if we have never known of biblical law we can show the full requirements of the law are writtten in our hearts, obviously by the way we act. There is no one in your denomination who believed they should set aside a set Saturday sabbath, prior to reading biblical law written in ink

So? I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here.
“Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. ”
2 Corinthians 3:3 KJV

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You would be hard pressed to show that the law written by the Spirit on your heart was ever intended by God to be different than what was previously written on stone. The law tells you what should be there. That's your revelation. Reminder. But you reject it because you don't like it. But hey, you aren't on your own. Although some of your arguments aren't so commonly used by others who dislike it equally as yourself. But the result is the same. A war against truth.
People don't adopt Sunday from a study of the Bible, or from the law, or from whatever is written in their heart. Nor do those who accept Christ as their Sabbath (replacement) rest the same. It's a tradition. And everyone adopts it from parents or from the fact that "everyone does it". When challenged however, the standard defence is to go to the Bible of course in order to justify it... whatever  it  may be.
Thing is. Whatever tack they (and you) take, the basis of the argument must always be the same. The law has changed. Cancelled. Abrogated. It isn't for the Christian. It's Jewish. Obedience is legalism. The Sabbath is Jewish. Christians are free. They are dead to the law. But all of them, and numerous others, all come down to the same thing. A war against God's laws. And hence, a war against God's government and His right to govern. It boils down to one thing. Authority. Who authority are you under. God. Or yourself.

 

[saved by grace 101]

So? I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here.
“Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. ”
2 Corinthians 3:3 KJV

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You would be hard pressed to show that the law written by the Spirit on your heart was ever intended by God to be different than what was previously written on stone. The law tells you what should be there. That's your revelation. Reminder. But you reject it because you don't like it. But hey, you aren't on your own. Although some of your arguments aren't so commonly used by others who dislike it equally as yourself. But the result is the same. A war against truth.
People don't adopt Sunday from a study of the Bible, or from the law, or from whatever is written in their heart. Nor do those who accept Christ as their Sabbath (replacement) rest the same. It's a tradition. And everyone adopts it from parents or from the fact that "everyone does it". When challenged however, the standard defence is to go to the Bible of course in order to justify it... whatever  it  may be.
Thing is. Whatever tack they (and you) take, the basis of the argument must always be the same. The law has changed. Cancelled. Abrogated. It isn't for the Christian. It's Jewish. Obedience is legalism. The Sabbath is Jewish. Christians are free. They are dead to the law. But all of them, and numerous others, all come down to the same thing. A war against God's laws. And hence, a war against God's government and His right to govern. It boils down to one thing. Authority. Who authority are you under. God. Or yourself.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Rom 14:5
I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. verse14
Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All(ALL) food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble verse20

 

[saved by grace 101]

So? I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here.
“Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. ”
2 Corinthians 3:3 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

You would be hard pressed to show that the law written by the Spirit on your heart was ever intended by God to be different than what was previously written on stone. The law tells you what should be there. That's your revelation. Reminder. But you reject it because you don't like it. But hey, you aren't on your own. Although some of your arguments aren't so commonly used by others who dislike it equally as yourself. But the result is the same. A war against truth.
People don't adopt Sunday from a study of the Bible, or from the law, or from whatever is written in their heart. Nor do those who accept Christ as their Sabbath (replacement) rest the same. It's a tradition. And everyone adopts it from parents or from the fact that "everyone does it". When challenged however, the standard defence is to go to the Bible of course in order to justify it... whatever  it  may be.
Thing is. Whatever tack they (and you) take, the basis of the argument must always be the same. The law has changed. Cancelled. Abrogated. It isn't for the Christian. It's Jewish. Obedience is legalism. The Sabbath is Jewish. Christians are free. They are dead to the law. But all of them, and numerous others, all come down to the same thing. A war against God's laws. And hence, a war against God's government and His right to govern. It boils down to one thing. Authority. Who authority are you under. God. Or yourself.

BTW
Do you believe the leaders of the first century church gave gentile converts a licence to sin?
In Acts ch15 Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to discuss with the leaders of the church which Jewish laws gentiles be asked to follow. Four were mentioned, three of which are widely considered to have been given to keep unity at the meeting. Avoiding the levitical unclean foods was not one of them. So, if you and your denomination were correct, the leaders of the first century church gave gentile converts a licence to sin for the whole of their lives, for years later they confirmed to Paul they were still only asking gentiles to follow the same four laws.
I think that shows, your views on applicable law, and those who think like you are not to be trusted

 

[saved by grace 101]

So? I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here.
“Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. ”
2 Corinthians 3:3 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

You would be hard pressed to show that the law written by the Spirit on your heart was ever intended by God to be different than what was previously written on stone. The law tells you what should be there. That's your revelation. Reminder. But you reject it because you don't like it. But hey, you aren't on your own. Although some of your arguments aren't so commonly used by others who dislike it equally as yourself. But the result is the same. A war against truth.
People don't adopt Sunday from a study of the Bible, or from the law, or from whatever is written in their heart. Nor do those who accept Christ as their Sabbath (replacement) rest the same. It's a tradition. And everyone adopts it from parents or from the fact that "everyone does it". When challenged however, the standard defence is to go to the Bible of course in order to justify it... whatever  it  may be.
Thing is. Whatever tack they (and you) take, the basis of the argument must always be the same. The law has changed. Cancelled. Abrogated. It isn't for the Christian. It's Jewish. Obedience is legalism. The Sabbath is Jewish. Christians are free. They are dead to the law. But all of them, and numerous others, all come down to the same thing. A war against God's laws. And hence, a war against God's government and His right to govern. It boils down to one thing. Authority. Who authority are you under. God. Or yourself.

God told Moses the Israelites were a stiff necked heathen people who would soon desert him when they reached the promised land. It is not surprising then they were instructed to set aside one day a week to meditate on God’s goodness and kindness to them. But they had to be instructed to do it.

Under the new covenant, our hearts have been softened, we have the indwelling Holy Spirit. We have been born again of the spirit and are new creations. Every single day born again Christians meditate on God’s kindness to them by sending His son to die for them, and every day, we are grateful for it.

The spiritual intent of the fourth commandment is upheld in Christians today seven days a week.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

How about dwelling on impure thoughts

That Rockertruck guy said "you can never keep all the ten commandments yourself. They are a good example of what we can try to achieve"

Those hanging around this guy better be careful because he could bust out in to a murderous rampage at any moment and start murdering people. He said all he can do is "try" to do what God said in the 10 Commandments.

Since of of the commandments is "thou shalt not commit murder" and he claims he can't always control himself, then he might very well bust out in to a murderous rampage at any moment.

 

[Rockerduck]

That Rockertruck guy said "you can never keep all the ten commandments yourself. They are a good example of what we can try to achieve"

Those hanging around this guy better be careful because he could bust out in to a murderous rampage at any moment and start murdering people. He said all he can do is "try" to do what God said in the 10 Commandments.

Since of of the commandments is "thou shalt not commit murder" and he claims he can't always control himself, then he might very well bust out in to a murderous rampage at any moment.

You can't keep all the commandments. I don't have murder; 99.9% people don't do that. but they lie, cheat, steal, fornicate, and have idols in their life.

 

[saved by grace 101]

That Rockertruck guy said "you can never keep all the ten commandments yourself. They are a good example of what we can try to achieve"

Those hanging around this guy better be careful because he could bust out in to a murderous rampage at any moment and start murdering people. He said all he can do is "try" to do what God said in the 10 Commandments.

Since of of the commandments is "thou shalt not commit murder" and he claims he can't always control himself, then he might very well bust out in to a murderous rampage at any moment.

OK. I do like a lot of what you've written in this thread BTW

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You can't keep all the commandments. I don't have murder; 99.9% people don't do that. but they lie, cheat, steal, fornicate, and have idols in their life.

Thank you for letting us know you don't know God's Word very well at all:

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Galatians 5:16
Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh

Ephesians 4:22-24
put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14
put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created Him:

2 Corinthians 6:17
come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

 

[JesusFan]

Thank you for letting us know you don't know God's Word very well at all:

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Galatians 5:16
Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh

Ephesians 4:22-24
put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14
put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created Him:

2 Corinthians 6:17
come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

We are saved by Grace alone received thru faith alone, and once saved, the Holy Spirit will enable us to walk in the ways of God , not perfectly, but with a bent towards better

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

We are saved by Grace alone received thru faith alone, and once saved, the Holy Spirit will enable us to walk in the ways of God , not perfectly, but with a bent towards better

OK so when a child molester gets born again and molests fewer children than he was before he got saved, God is pleased with that... got it.

So was was the Apostle Paul listening to the devil when he wrote this?

2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

 

[JesusFan]

OK so when a child molester gets born again and molests fewer children than he was before he got saved, God is pleased with that... got it.

So was was the Apostle Paul listening to the devil when he wrote this?

2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

No true child of God can get changed from sheep back to being goat