Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?

[Marvelloustime]

The savoir of the world always reminded
of the dire need to Beleive on Him .
Thus to the trenches and remind all of the absolute dire need to believe on Him .

@amigo de christo

 

[JustMe]

Perhaps it is time to take a reality check on who we are today, and whom we trust and serve. Simply displaying the Christian banner is not enough, as it often triggers defensive reactions that cause us to block out others and hinder effective communication.

Discussions or debates like these can become somewhat intense, which is understandable. However, reflecting on Yeshua's teachings and his two most important commandments might be something we should focus on and reconnect with, rather than prioritizing our own opinions and desires. To love God, our Father, with all our heart, strength, and soul, and then to love our neighbors as ourselves.

These two commandments play a significant role in defining who is truly a Christian and who is not.

just saying, out loud...

 

[Justified]

Well, that's a fine assessment apart from the linguistic analysis you are presenting, isn't it? In other words, you are falling to Circular Reasoning, starting with your conclusion. Then, you look for evidence to support your conclusion.

In this case, Jesus said "I am he," which you take as proof he is YHWH. The weakness of this claim is what happens when someone else says I am he?" D'at different is not an argument. Silly to say the logic you use does not apply when imposters say it. Hope you understand that.

Jesus didn't say, "I am he," he said "I am," according to the Greek. "He" is added in John 8:24, 28, and some others, by English translators, hence why it usually is italicized. Context determines whether or not "he" is legitimate.

I also haven't seen a response to this post: Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus didn't say, "I am he," he said "I am," according to the Greek. "He" is added in John 8:24, 28, and some others, by English translators, hence why it usually is italicized. Context determines whether or not "he" is legitimate.

Same points apply. Many say, "I am." Does that make them God?

 

[amigo de christo]

Same points apply. Many say, "I am." Does that make them God?

no its makes them DECIEVED .
but unless YOU want to say JESUS IS DECIEVED , THEN THERE IT IS MY F RIEND . PROOF OF WHO HE IS .
Your right anyone can say when asked who are you I AM
and yet we both know GOD used that phrase to describe himself . YOU WONT find any prophet i n that bible
that ever said I AM THE FIRST and the last , OR that I AM . GOD DID
AND SO DID JESUS . yeah figure that out .

 

[amigo de christo]

Same points apply. Many say, "I am." Does that make them God?

your reasoning stinks my friend . HEY many also have called themselves GOD .
but just because GOD calls himself GOD dont mean he aint . BUT THEY AINT .
NOW we both know in that bible
that ONLY GOD used that phrase , as well as the phrase I AM THE LAST and THE FIRST .
no angel dared to say such a thing about itself
NO prophet of GOD ever uttered such a th ing about itself .
FUNNY , JESUS DID HOWEVER . yeah . HE DID .
T ry again .

 

[Justified]

Same points apply. Many say, "I am."

Do they? In what way?

Does that make them God?

Of course not. Are you suggesting that Jesus is using it in the same way as everyone else? If Jesus used it in a unique way, that spoke of the nature of his existence, then certainly he is the only person who can use it that way, correct?

Just because two or more people say the same thing doesn't mean they mean the same thing.

 

[Wrangler]

Are you suggesting that Jesus is using it in the same way as everyone else?

Yes. Not merely suggesting it, stating it as basic reading comprehension. Words don’t change meaning based on who says it. Where do you get this idea?

 

[Justified]

Yes. Not merely suggesting it, stating it as basic reading comprehension. Words don’t change meaning based on who says it. Where do you get this idea?

Is Jesus the Son of God in the same way as any other person who claims to be a son or daughter of God?

Don't you believe that words can change meaning based on context, even quite apart from just discussing Scripture? Isn't that is one of the basic rules of biblical interpretation?

Were you not one of the ones arguing about the meaning of 'echad, that it can mean one thing in one context and another in another context?

Perhaps you should consider John 8:58: Jesus said to them, "I assure you: Before Abraham was, I am."

 

[Beebster]

@Beebster, I've enjoyed reading many of your posts.

Thanks, it's nice to hear someone has.

The one below suggests you are a binitarian..

I am not. I believe God is a family; the Father being the head.

Although........Maybe I could use "Binity" as a magic word like "Trinity" and the Trinitarians will stop accusing me of counting Gods. Hmmmm.

You and I both know that "God" is a title not a proper name.

When I state that Jesus is God, I try to add that he is not the Father but that he is our Father, for that very reason.
In this thread I went further and stated that Christ was Yahweh.
I know that sounds contradictory, but I have my reasons for believing that.

How do you reconcile your claim with Isaiah 45:5 and the changing (still being created) Jesus with the many verses that reveal God's immutable nature, e.g., Malachi 3:6, Isaiah 40:28 and 1 Timothy 1:17?

I go by certain principles and laws.

Here is one of them:

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (2 Pet 1:20)

I see people take a verse like this-

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

-and create or try to prove a doctrine like the trinity or an eternal Christ or some such nonsense.

That is a private interpretation and a false witness.

He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, (Mat 19:18)

Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death; (Mat 26:59)

False witnesses played an essential role in the crucifiction of our Lord and Saviour.

Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. (John15:20)

We are told:

One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. (Deu 19:15)

But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. (Mat 18:16)

So, we need two or three witnesses to prove a spiritual truth.
Not my opinion or one verse and my opinion. Two or three verses that harmonize.

Why? Because -no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

And if we provide two verses and an opinion, our opinion had better line up with that certain truth.

Normally when I post, or I should say when I used to post on this forum, I would use two or three verses to prove a point. But my posts would get pretty long and people seem to lose interest quite quickly, especially if they have their own agenda to preach.
Lately I have not been doing that and I'm guilty of stating my opinion, without providing scripture, way too much.
Part of the reason is that I've been using my phone and I'm not real tech savvy, so I've been a bit lazy.
In my defense though, I do know I can provide the scripture and will not post my opinion unless I know I can back it up.

This post has already gone on too long so I'll continue in my next post.

I will answer your question eventually.
Your question takes a bit more than a quick, simple reply to answer. Please bear with me.

 

[Jack]

Jesus is ONLY the Savior of those who believe Him and serve Him.

Jesus is God of the Bible!

Col 1 By Him all things were created!

 

[Wrangler]

Normally when I post, or I should say when I used to post on this forum, I would use two or three verses to prove a point. But my posts would get pretty long and people seem to lose interest quite quickly, especially if they have their own agenda to preach.

This post has already gone on too long so I'll continue in my next post.

I will answer your question eventually.
Your question takes a bit more than a quick, simple reply to answer. Please bear with me.

My post count is high because I do the same thing; break up long replies into sections.

 

[marks]

I don’t think you are But instead reading into it what you want.

you abandon the field of science, of studying God's word by invoking Ad Hominem's.

 

[Lambano]

Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?​

Got any other candidates?

 

[Beebster]

How do you reconcile your claim with Isaiah 45:5 and the changing (still being created) Jesus with the many verses that reveal God's immutable nature, e.g., Malachi 3:6, Isaiah 40:28 and 1 Timothy 1:17?

Hey Wrangler, sorry I didn't reply sooner. Busy weekend.

Another principal: Christ's words are spirit:

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: THE WORDS that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (John 6:63)

Second witness:

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. (Mat 24:35)

With that in mind:

Which things also we speak, NOT in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. (1Co 2:13)

Here are the verses I cited in my last post:

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (2 Pet 1:20)

One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. (Deu 19:15)

But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. (Mat 18:16)

I learned a few years back, that there are at least two ways to understand the word of God; literally and/or spiritually. I choose to look for the spiritual. I won't delve into that here but I will say I search for those spiritual matches throughout the scriptures; that's why I make bold statements.

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (Isa 28:10)

Witness upon witness upon witness.

So.....Why all that just to answer what would seem like a simple question and still not answer it.

Well, honestly I my answer is in a different thread on this forum and before I directed you to it I wanted you to see how I approach scripture so you might have an idea as to how I'm able to reconcile what may seem contradictory.

The thread is titled "Christ Is" and it is in the Study forum.

If you have the time and are interested here is the link to the post that hopefully will answer your question:

Post in thread 'Christ is' https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/christ-is.65239/post-1916396

We are still being created and so is the body of Christ.

Peace.

 

[brightfame52]

Saviour of the World !​

Lets look at Jn 4:42; 1Jn 4:14

42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

What does it mean that Christ is the Saviour of the World ? Religionist who dont handle the word honestly would tell us this is saying that Christ is the Saviour of all of Humanity individually. That is not what these verses say or mean. Folks Christ Jesus isn't the Saviour of unsaved people. People who are lost frankly don't have a Saviour, for if they had a Saviour from Sin which Jesus Christ is Matt 1:21; 1Tim 1:15;Lk 19:10.

To say that Christ is the Saviour of lost souls is a contradiction of His very names sake !

What therefore does it mean ? Simply that Christ is the Saviour of the World of the Saved. All the People from all time, and races. The Nations of the Saved Rev 21:24

And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. Its the Saved World in Christ !

 

[Beebster]

Folks Christ Jesus isn't the Saviour of unsaved people.

Hi there.

You know, if my car mechanic said he couldn't fix my car because it's not fixed, I'd fire him.

 

[Taken]

Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?

In Brief:

THE GIFT…. SALVATION

THE GIFT OFFERING

Salvation WAS / IS a Gift Offering …
From God
To ManKIND.

ManKIND… can TAKE / RECEIVE the Gift…
or NOT.

WHEN … Saved…

Receiving The Literal GIFT…
IS ALWAYS …
Received unto the man AFTER …
A mans BODY IS Accounted DEAD …
IN Gods Books / Records /Evidence.

OFFERING TO ONLY…
Alive Natural Bodys of manKIND.

Such GIFT is ONLY, Given ONCE (unto a man).
Such GIFT is FOREVER, KEPT / REMAINS, that one mans GIFT.
ie. premise OSAS.
(Never Lost, Never Revoked).

WHO Saves? (Ie. Gift Given ( a man ) “by” WHOM?)

“BY” Heavenly Father God…After Heartful Believers PHYSICAL MORTAL Body DIES.
* Their “new body raised”… “First Mass Resurrection”… “After Tribulations sent from Heaven.”

“BY” Heavenly Lord God Son…After Heartful Believers, Heartful True Confessed Belief and Willing Bodily Crucifixion With Jesus’ Body. ( ie. Accounted Bodily Death).

^ They “Temporarily”, naturally remain IN their natural living body… YET Spiritually LIVE IN Jesus’ Risen Body”…
Called : IN Christ.
Called : Christ Jesus’ Church Member.
Called : Christs Bride
Are : Prepared for a Spiritual Witnessed Wedded Ceremony, of Blessing and Adjoining that individual manKIND of Saved Being, To their Lord God.

Shall Be : Wholly: Renewed body, Saved soul, Quickened spirit…Called, Raised up…
(Raised up: Called;
Rapture…
When;
Before Wrath, Tribulations ARE Sent down from Heaven UPON the Whole Earth.)

Is Raised Up:
TO their Grooms Fathers House (clouds)…
TO become Wedded to their Groom...
TO have their Veil Lifted…
TO meet / SEE their Groom…AS He IS
TO Forever BE WITH their groom, husband, Lord, King, God, where-ever He IS, GOES.

Groom, With Bride, With Holy Angel Servants….
Shall Return to Earth.
As the Groom has More Works ON Earth to Finish / Accomplish… Before THIS Earth is Renewed.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[PinSeeker]

Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?​

In the sense that Jesus’s work on the cross makes salvation possible for all, yes.

But in the sense that God chose, before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1), only many and not all ~ only His elect (Romans 9) ~ and foreknew… foreloved… them in this way (Romans 8), predestining them to be conformed to the image of His Son, for His own glory (Ephesians 1), no. In that sense, Jesus did what He did only for His sheep, those given to Him by the Father, of whom He will lose not even one (John 10), but will raise them up on the last day (John 6).

Grace and peace to all.

 

[brightfame52]

In the sense that Jesus’s work on the cross makes salvation possible for all, yes.

Only possible ? Isnt that selling Jesus work short ? I believe it [He]actually saved a whole world of elect people.