"Before Abraham Was, I AM"

[amigo de christo]

Well I could read, but I wouldn't understand
Would you say someone who much criticises other christians walk is being led of the Holy Spirit to do so? Or could it be a case of something else?

if when you wrote well i can read , but i would not understand
HAS ANYTHING to do with men that said ONE cannot understand the bible on their own .
YOU GOT LIED TOO BIG TIME . ONLY MEN and T HOSE WHOSE DESIRE is for power and control
and to set an agenda upon the peoples so as to attain this power and control , WOULD SAY SUCH A THING .
Get in that bible and YOU PRAY to THE GOD WHO INSPIRED THEM WORDS
I AM CERTAIN he can give us what we need to understand without the moslestations of men gone wrong .
GOD . TIME TO TRUST IN HIS ABLITIES and not in mens abilities or in ones own abilities .
TRUST IN GOD to giveth us that which we need . HE knows exactly what we need . These
whormongers who lead this people care not for the sheep .
HOWEVER if you said this due to what the other person wanted you to read was full of this so called
wise mens wisdom . THEN GOOD , WE dont no part of what they THINK is wise . TRUST in GOD
and trench onwards in the LORD

 

[Lizbeth]

I would say, believers can only be in Father and Son through the Holy Spirit, and as you mentioned, the Holy Spirit was on Christ without limit, and John states He spoke the words of God because the Spirit was on Him without limit.
So when Jesus state: JUST AS you are in me and I am in you may they also be in us, I would take that to mean Jesus and His Father are in each other through the Spirit, which I wouldn't have thought that was far from what people believe in this thread, as they believe the Holy Spirit is God. And, if we all believed the Holy Spirit fully dwelt in Christ, I would think we can say the divinity of the father fully dwells in the son. Not trying to be contentious here, just trying to find common ground
Anyway, I have never liked to debate any perceived differences with those I am assured are Spirit filled christians, so I will leave it there. Thank you for your posts

Thank you for yours, and I appreciate your kind demeanour.

Speaking generally, sometimes in my observation I think we can be trying to splice and dice something too much....the natural mind is naturally curious and often tends to raise questions that don't need pursuing. That's what I think "strifes of words" is often about and it can lead to fruitless bickering and be unnecessarily divisive. We're all at a different place in our growth and understanding, as well as gifts/graces, and some things are hard to be understood, so we need to have grace and patience with each other.

On the topic you are mentioning, that is a tough question, and I need to wait on the Lord for understanding. For me it gets into the question of whether Jesus had a human spirit like ours, or whether His spirit was God's spirit.

 

[amigo de christo]

Thank you for yours, and I appreciate your kind demeanour.

Speaking generally, sometimes in my observation I think we can be trying to splice and dice something too much....the natural mind is naturally curious and often tends to raise questions that don't need pursuing. That's what I think "strifes of words" is often about and it can lead to fruitless bickering and be unnecessarily divisive. We're all at a different place in our growth and understanding, as well as gifts/graces, and some things are hard to be understood, so we need to have grace and patience with each other.

On the topic you are mentioning, that is a tough question, and I need to wait on the Lord for understanding. For me it gets into the question of whether Jesus had a human spirit like ours, or whether His spirit was God's spirit.

the natural mind is naturally curious and often tends to raise questions that dont need pursuing .
ANY guesses on why it d oes that .
TO LEAD ONE ASTRAY . the FLESH darn sure is contrary to the SPIRIT . YOU are correct sister .
Its our flesh that always tries to make things complicated to lead us into its realm .
BUT greater IS HE who is in the sheep .
and we too by that same SPIRIT look out for one another .
I KEEP it simple sister . Cause you are right , THE OL CARNAL MIND
cannot recieve the things of GOD and our flesh
is always contrary and by the flesh is how one can be led astray .
I keep it real simple . AS IN , IF JESUS SAID IT BELEIVE IT
and beleive nothing contrary . And dont go down all these many rabbit holes
that do nothing but try and lead us astray and plant doubt IN that which is written .
GOD has the sheep sister . And by HIS grace , His Spirit we shall also exhort one another daily and look out for one another .

 

[Lizbeth]

the natural mind is naturally curious and often tends to raise questions that dont need pursuing .
ANY guesses on why it d oes that .
TO LEAD ONE ASTRAY . the FLESH darn sure is contrary to the SPIRIT . YOU are correct sister .
Its our flesh that always tries to make things complicated to lead us into its realm .
BUT greater IS HE who is in the sheep .
and we too by that same SPIRIT look out for one another .
I KEEP it simple sister . Cause you are right , THE OL CARNAL MIND
cannot recieve the things of GOD and our flesh
is always contrary and by the flesh is how one can be led astray .
I keep it real simple . AS IN , IF JESUS SAID IT BELEIVE IT
and beleive nothing contrary . And dont go down all these many rabbit holes
that do nothing but try and lead us astray and plant doubt IN that which is written .
GOD has the sheep sister . And by HIS grace , His Spirit we shall also exhort one another daily and look out for one another .

Amen, and David said he didn't concern himself with matters that were too great for him. Sometimes there is a danger of getting ahead of the Lord too.....in His teaching and growing us up, it can be dangerous to be led by our curious minds of flesh to go down rabbit holes that are too deep for us to go down without the Lord and before we are ready. Far better and safer to wait on the Lord....anything we really want to understand or think we need to know about, we can ask, seek and knock, and then wait for the Lord to reveal what we need in His time and wisdom. Or if we're barking up a wrong tree, He will simply not reveal anything and if we have left it in His hands that should be fine with us too. It isn't carnal mind knowledge that profits, only what God reveals by His Spirit. Carnal mind knowledge can lead astray, as you are pointing out. It's a plain and true fact that the enemy is too strong for us, so we always need the Lord who is greater than the enemy of our souls.

 

[saved by grace 101]

On the topic you are mentioning, that is a tough question, and I need to wait on the Lord for understanding. For me it gets into the question of whether Jesus had a human spirit like ours, or whether His spirit was God's spirit.

Thank you also for your kind demeanour. I would add this though. Could Jesus not have had both, as the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form at his baptism? Luke3:22

 

[Lizbeth]

Thank you also for your kind demeanour. I would add this though. Could Jesus not have had both, as the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form at his baptism? Luke3:22

I don't know honestly. It comes to mind that Jesus didn't actually need to be baptized and receive the Holy Spirit, but only did it to fulfill all righteousness of the Law, and set an example for us.

 

[GodsGrace]

I am saddened at seeing the tenacity of your failure to read the Scriptures I have always used in my posts to you....it’s a certain kind of blindness...one that cannot accept that, what has been indoctrinated in you is false, but set in concrete. Jesus spoke of the Pharisees and said that their teachings and traditions had replaced the importance of Scripture....

I don't see a reply to my question to you.
Here it is again: from my post no. 673


I've asked but received no reply from you.

John 1:1 speaks of A WORD.

Whatever the WORD is,
it became FLESH and dwelt among us.

No need for Greek.
WHAT became flesh??

“You hypocrites! How rightly did Isaiah prophesy about you when he said: ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ” (Matt 15:7-9 New Catholic Bible)

Isaiah was quoting God’s words, (Isa 29:13) originally directed to the hypocritical leaders of his day.....they hadn’t changed by the time Christ arrived as Messiah, but had continued on in their own way....so, the religion that was practiced in Jesus’ day was still not acceptable to the one they claimed was their God.

I don't remember discussing the above.

When Jesus took up his ministry, it had been over 300 years since God had sent a prophet to correct his people.....he had tried so many times to keep them on track, but they were “stiff necked” proud and unteachable, like many are today....so he left them to their own devices until his purpose in connection with them was fulfilled....and then, when he had presented his Messiah, and they rejected him, he cast them off, establishing a new “Israel”......”the Israel of God” (Gal 6:16) who were made up of both Jewish and Gentile disciples of Jesus.

Don't remember discussing the above.

Don’t look now, but history is repeating.....again there is about to be a separation of the genuine “Christians” from the false ones,

The real Christians are the ones that believe what has been believed from the start....
that Jesus is God.

It is your sect that has caused a separation.

whom Jesus said the devil would set up as a counterfeit.

Hmmm.
Right.
Like the JWs.

The first seeds of this counterfeit (weed like) “Christianity” were sown at the end of the first century and flourished after the death of the apostles.....this is “the church” served by the majority trapped in “Babylon the great”...the devil’s entire world empire of false religion....a virtual smorgasbord of religions that are designed to lead people away from the true God....making true worship look like apostasy to whatever religion one subscribes to, either by birth or by choice......and the choices are endless! There is one true religion...and always has been.

Those in “Babylon the great” are told to “get out of her” because God is about to deliver his justice upon her. (Rev 18:4-5)
Those who have not obeyed that directive, will go down with that sinking ship. A great reset is about to take place...one that will dwarf even the flood of Noah’s day for magnitude.

Are we on the ark, or outside of it? (Matt 24:37-39)

As usual,,,you don't reply to posts.

I've repeated my question to you...
if you care to respond, fine...
otherwise no need to post just to post your own agenda.

 

[GodsGrace]

For the benefit of those who might read these exchanges....the truth must be told along with the other story so that comparisons can be made....and decisions might be reached as to who is speaking the truth and who is stretching it.

LOL...where does it say that he would raise himself up?
What was “the temple of his body”?
What is “the body of Christ”?

Everyone on this Forum who is Christian and knows scripture KNOWS that Jesus was referring to HIS BODY.
It is His Body that was raised after 3 days.

Let's look at the verses again:

John 2:14-21
18 The Jews then said to Him, "What sign do You show us as your authority for doing these things?"
19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
20 The Jews then said, "It took forty-six * * years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?"
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.


JESUS stated that the TEMPLE was His body.

What did Paul say?...
“You Belong to Christ. Do you not realize that you are God’s temple, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person. For the temple of God is holy, and you are that temple.” (1 Cor 3:16-17 New Catholic Bible)

Our body is also the temple of God.
BUT JESUS was speaking about HIS BODY which was going to be resurrected in three days.

Now, do you see what Jesus was really saying? In three days the Bible says that “God raised Jesus from the dead”, (Rom 10:9) not that he raised himself.......so is there a contradiction here? Or was Jesus speaking about an entirely different temple in which he would serve as High Priest, and raise up those who would share rulership and priesthood with him? (Heb 3:1; Rev 20:6)

Once again, the NT proves you to be wrong:


The NT teaches that Jesus was raised by:
THE FATHER
THE SON
THE HOLY SPIRIT


THE FATHER
Galatians 1:1
1 Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through the agency of man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead


THE SON
John 2:19
19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

John 10:18
18 "No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again.


THE HOLY SPIRIT
Romans 8:11
11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.


All three Persons raised Jesus from the dead.
All three are of the same nature and will....
they work together because God is One.

Exactly.....how does a dead person raise himself? The Bible does not ever say that.

Jesus raised Himeslf from the dead.
Man cannot do this.
Jesus can because He is God.
His body died....His spirit did not and through HIS OWN POWER He raised Himself
BECAUSE HE WAS NOT DEAD.

Paul wrote....
“Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Rather, be concerned about doing what is good in the eyes of all. As much as possible, and to the extent of your ability, live in peace with everyone. Dearly beloved, never seek revenge. Leave that to the time of retribution. For it is written, “Vengeance is mine, says the Lord. I will repay.” Do not be conquered by evil, but conquer evil with good.” (NCB)

Do you see the two words there...”revenge” and “vengeance”?

“Revenge” is....

1. to vindicate one's right, do one justice
   1. to protect, defend, one person from another
2. to avenge a thing
   1. to punish a person for a thing. (Strongs)

“Vengeance” is... “meting out of justice; doing justice to all parties.”

Only God has the right to “mete out justice” and only he can authorise humans to act in his behalf as he did with Israel.....he did not do the same with Christians, who have no right to take revenge on anyone.....but to hand a lawbreaker over to whatever legal system has authority in their country. Vengeance belongs to God alone.

That means that Christians cannot participate in bloodshed of any kind...if we have blood on our hands, God will not hear our prayers. (Isa 1:15) Tell me what church does not have blood on their hands in supporting the wars of their nations? They are up to their necks in filthy politics, seeking friendship with the world. (James 4:4)

A slap is an insult not an attack. Insults are sometimes harder to resist....which is why we are told to turn the other cheek...showing that words are not weapons. They are just words...like my mother always taught me...”sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me”.

Duels in past eras were initiated by a slap across the face.....death was the result for one of the parties.
Humiliation is hard to resist...a slap is an intended humiliation.

Good lesson on slaps.
You're correct and I agree.

God cannot become a mortal and he cannot die. That is why he “sent“ his son, who became a mortal and who could die. He can do whatever he wishes, but within the parameters that he alone has set.

Paul was the one who wrote collectively on behalf of all the other apostles....

“Indeed, even though there are so-called gods in heaven and on earth—and there are in fact many gods and many lords— for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things areand for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and through whom we exist.” (1 Cor 8:5-6 NCB)

Yes ma'am.
There is only One God

Notice that in your verse 1 Cor 8:5-6, both God Father and The Son have been given the same attributes.


5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.


Only God has the attributes of God.

If you read what it says, and not what you think it says...his statement is unequivocal. The apostles acknowledge that they had “ONE GOD, THE FATHER”.....and....“ONE LORD, JESUS CHRIST”.....

Paul is not going to repeat Jesus is God in every writing.

This is the same Paul that wrote:

Titus 2:13
13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Please note that Paul is speaking of the same Person.....
Jesus. Jesus is God,,,Jesus is Savior.

Just as the OT declared:
GOD HIMSELF WILL SAVE MAN.

Calling Jesus “Lord” is a title of reverence and respect, not an acknowledgment of deity.

Calling on the name of “the LORD” is calling on Yahweh/Jehovah, and this is what will give us salvation....the divine name is clearly seen in Joel 2:32 in the Hebrew text....so calling on the name of the wrong “god” will be a breach of the first Commandment. (Exodus 20:3)

Yes. We must call on the right name...
and it cannot be a man.

Jesus said.
John 8:24
24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless * you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."


As you've correctly stated we must call on the name of Yahweh...the LORD...


Romans 10:13
13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."


Yahweh is God Almighty, the creator.
Jesus is God Almighty, the creator.
Jesus is Yahweh.

They are both the same God.

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't know honestly. It comes to mind that Jesus didn't actually need to be baptized and receive the Holy Spirit, but only did it to fulfill all righteousness of the Law, and set an example for us.

True indeed dear sister .
Jesus didnt need to save himself .
He came to save
HE came to fullfilll all righteousness .
YOU see JOHN knew the TRUTH .
WHEN he said I have NEED TO BE BAPTIZED OF YOU
and you come to ME .
JESUS DIDNT DO for his own sake , JESUS DID for our sake
To come and to fulfill all righteousness and E VEN to then pay the price of our unrighteousness .
That was not just some prophet
HE IS and HE WAS
THE WORD OF GOD and the WORD was GOD . Had to come in the likeness
of our own flesh to do what the created could not .
JESUS is not the jesus of the anti christ muhammed or that religoins version of him
HE is not what the new age follows either
Nor any other false religoin beleives and follows .
FOR JESUS IS NOT DARKNESS , HE IS NOT A LIE ,
HE IS THE LIGHT , HE IS THE TRUTH , HE even BE the very ressurection .
I AM THE FIRST and THE LAST
MY WORD shall not return VOID
MY WORD shall not return void , IT SHALL ACCOMPLISH .
AND as we see THE WORD OF GOD DID DO JUST THAT . So
please bear with me as i warn us all one more time
that ecumencial int efaith IS OF ANTI CHRIST and all who are connected to it in any way
BETTER FLEE IT FAST , cause that whorehouse IS COMING DOWN ON JESUS DAY .

 

[amigo de christo]

Everyone on this Forum who is Christian and knows scripture KNOWS that Jesus was referring to HIS BODY.
It is His Body that was raised after 3 days.

Let's look at the verses again:

John 2:14-21
18 The Jews then said to Him, "What sign do You show us as your authority for doing these things?"
19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
20 The Jews then said, "It took forty-six * * years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?"
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.


JESUS stated that the TEMPLE was His body.

Our body is also the temple of God.
BUT JESUS was speaking about HIS BODY which was going to be resurrected in three days.


Once again, the NT proves you to be wrong:


The NT teaches that Jesus was raised by:
THE FATHER
THE SON
THE HOLY SPIRIT


THE FATHER
Galatians 1:1
1 Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through the agency of man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead


THE SON
John 2:19
19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

John 10:18
18 "No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again.


THE HOLY SPIRIT
Romans 8:11
11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.


All three Persons raised Jesus from the dead.
All three are of the same nature and will....
they work together because God is One.



Jesus raised Himeslf from the dead.
Man cannot do this.
Jesus can because He is God.
His body died....His spirit did not and through HIS OWN POWER He raised Himself
BECAUSE HE WAS NOT DEAD.



Good lesson on slaps.
You're correct and I agree.

Yes ma'am.
There is only One God

Notice that in your verse 1 Cor 8:5-6, both God Father and The Son have been given the same attributes.


5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.


Only God has the attributes of God.

Paul is not going to repeat Jesus is God in every writing.

This is the same Paul that wrote:

Titus 2:13
13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Please note that Paul is speaking of the same Person.....
Jesus. Jesus is God,,,Jesus is Savior.

Just as the OT declared:
GOD HIMSELF WILL SAVE MAN.


Yes. We must call on the right name...
and it cannot be a man.

Jesus said.
John 8:24
24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless * you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."


As you've correctly stated we must call on the name of Yahweh...the LORD...


Romans 10:13
13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."


Yahweh is God Almighty, the creator.
Jesus is God Almighty, the creator.
Jesus is Yahweh.

They are both the same God.

And the WORD was GOD . that alone settled it for me the FIRST TIME I READ IT .
And now a word , and this word came FROM THE KING OF GLORY HIMSELF
and it might help us to understand WHY SHEEP HEAR AND HEED TRUTH .
FOR this cause came i into the world , for this reason was i born
TO TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH , all that are of the TRUTH come to me .
MY SHEEP hear my voice and the voice of a s tranger they will NOT HEED.
HIS VOICE IS T RUTH , AS THE SPIRIT IS TRUTH , AS HE IS TRUTH , AS GOD IS TRUTH .
Sheep dont heed men in long robes or any clothes for that matter
WHO CONTRADICT HIS WORDS . just a friendly reminder to also help remind us
WE NEED TO GET every man and every woman OUTTA that ecumenincal sess pit
before its forever too late for them . THOSE harlots LIE to this people and know how
to make it seem like love and for a good cause .

 

[amigo de christo]

Everyone on this Forum who is Christian and knows scripture KNOWS that Jesus was referring to HIS BODY.
It is His Body that was raised after 3 days.

Let's look at the verses again:

John 2:14-21
18 The Jews then said to Him, "What sign do You show us as your authority for doing these things?"
19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
20 The Jews then said, "It took forty-six * * years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?"
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.


JESUS stated that the TEMPLE was His body.

Our body is also the temple of God.
BUT JESUS was speaking about HIS BODY which was going to be resurrected in three days.


Once again, the NT proves you to be wrong:


The NT teaches that Jesus was raised by:
THE FATHER
THE SON
THE HOLY SPIRIT


THE FATHER
Galatians 1:1
1 Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through the agency of man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead


THE SON
John 2:19
19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

John 10:18
18 "No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again.


THE HOLY SPIRIT
Romans 8:11
11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.


All three Persons raised Jesus from the dead.
All three are of the same nature and will....
they work together because God is One.



Jesus raised Himeslf from the dead.
Man cannot do this.
Jesus can because He is God.
His body died....His spirit did not and through HIS OWN POWER He raised Himself
BECAUSE HE WAS NOT DEAD.



Good lesson on slaps.
You're correct and I agree.

Yes ma'am.
There is only One God

Notice that in your verse 1 Cor 8:5-6, both God Father and The Son have been given the same attributes.


5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.


Only God has the attributes of God.

Paul is not going to repeat Jesus is God in every writing.

This is the same Paul that wrote:

Titus 2:13
13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Please note that Paul is speaking of the same Person.....
Jesus. Jesus is God,,,Jesus is Savior.

Just as the OT declared:
GOD HIMSELF WILL SAVE MAN.


Yes. We must call on the right name...
and it cannot be a man.

Jesus said.
John 8:24
24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless * you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."


As you've correctly stated we must call on the name of Yahweh...the LORD...


Romans 10:13
13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."


Yahweh is God Almighty, the creator.
Jesus is God Almighty, the creator.
Jesus is Yahweh.

They are both the same God.

John 8:24
24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless * you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."
and now a word
GO TOO and BEHOLD the HARLOTS ECUMENICAL CRY of INTERRELIGIOUS DIALGOUE
AND YOU SEE if it a grees or CONTRADICTS THIS .
THEMS anti ch rists in wool leading this entire people to the day of their own desteruction .
GET EVERYONE OUTTA there , f lee its ecumenical interfaith
FLEE its finding common ground
its bridge building lies and tearing down walls dung . THEY BEEN LYING to us all for years
and now have made ready this people to merge as one heart and one mind
TO rage the upmost rebellion and war against CHRIST and the saints who wont budge FROM HIS DOCTRINE
HIS GOSPEL . oh i tell us all ITS GROWING like wild fire in high winds . GET THEM OUT of there .

 

[GodsGrace]

And the WORD was GOD . that alone settled it for me the FIRST TIME I READ IT .
And now a word , and this word came FROM THE KING OF GLORY HIMSELF
and it might help us to understand WHY SHEEP HEAR AND HEED TRUTH .
FOR this cause came i into the world , for this reason was i born
TO TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH , all that are of the TRUTH come to me .
MY SHEEP hear my voice and the voice of a s tranger they will NOT HEED.
HIS VOICE IS T RUTH , AS THE SPIRIT IS TRUTH , AS HE IS TRUTH , AS GOD IS TRUTH .
Sheep dont heed men in long robes or any clothes for that matter
WHO CONTRADICT HIS WORDS . just a friendly reminder to also help remind us
WE NEED TO GET every man and every woman OUTTA that ecumenincal sess pit
before its forever too late for them . THOSE harlots LIE to this people and know how
to make it seem like love and for a good cause .

That is the verse that really led me to understand the Trinity.
John 1:1 and John 1:14

I find it difficult to understand why others don't understand this very simple concept.

And....I must add, that even if we do not understand the Trinity, it still must be accepted.
THIS and the RESURRECTION are the main tenets of the Christian faith.

Many are heeding the words of a stranger and not the true shepherd.

John 10:10-14
10 "The thief comes only * * to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.
11 "I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.
12 "He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them.
13 "He flees because he is a hired hand and is not concerned about the sheep.
14 "I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me,

 

[amigo de christo]

That is the verse that really led me to understand the Trinity.
John 1:1 and John 1:14

I find it difficult to understand why others don't understand this very simple concept.

And....I must add, that even if we do not understand the Trinity, it still must be accepted.
THIS and the RESURRECTION are the main tenets of the Christian faith.

Many are heeding the words of a stranger and not the true shepherd.

John 10:10-14
10 "The thief comes only * * to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.
11 "I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.
12 "He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them.
13 "He flees because he is a hired hand and is not concerned about the sheep.
14 "I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me,

Friend this people is in dire and deadly danger
but even they now flock more and more to the love of harlot .
And that harlot is one wise harlot .
She has taught them more and more that doctrines dont matter
that her love is what matters . but her love AINT THE LOVE OF GOD
or it would not have omi tted T RUTH .
And men on all sides now do its bidding . many t rintarians do
and countless diety deniers now do . THEY GONNA MERGE . their differences will be put aside
as more and more they clambor to this LOVE they THINK is of GOD .
And folks wonder why the heck i am like an alarm clock out of control
buzzing GET THEM OUT of anything ecumenical AND RIGHT NOW .
We gotta depart from its love , its unity , its finding common ground . THEY LEAD US ALL
to the merger that will END THIS ENTIRE world ON THE DAY of THE LORD .

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again GodsGrace,

That is the verse that really led me to understand the Trinity.
John 1:1 and John 1:14

Perhaps one day when you come to understand what John 1:14 is actually saying, you will appreciate the Bible teaching that there is One God, Yahweh, God the Father and that our Lord Jesus Christ is a human now exalted to sit at the right hand of God in God the Father's Throne, and he is The Son of God by birth, by character and by resurrection.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[amigo de christo]

That is the verse that really led me to understand the Trinity.
John 1:1 and John 1:14

I find it difficult to understand why others don't understand this very simple concept.

And....I must add, that even if we do not understand the Trinity, it still must be accepted.
THIS and the RESURRECTION are the main tenets of the Christian faith.

Many are heeding the words of a stranger and not the true shepherd.

John 10:10-14
10 "The thief comes only * * to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.
11 "I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.
12 "He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them.
13 "He flees because he is a hired hand and is not concerned about the sheep.
14 "I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me,

Why marvel my friend . by grace i clearly understand why folks dont grasp THIS
and other simple concepts .
THEY CHOOSE TO FOLLOW MEN . and will sit under whatever man speaks what pleases them most .
But here is who sheep sit under , JESUS THE CHRIST
and only leaders who simply BELEIVED what was written and TEACH what is written . TWISTING NONE OF IT
but rather simply BELEIVING IT .
An example of one who loveth man more than GOD .
Rather than beleiving what is written
say,,,,,,,,,,,AND THE WORD was GOD
they sit under men who explain HOW THE WORD WAS NOT and COULD NOT BE GOD .
but odd , IT SAYS THE WORD was GOD . so why NOT JUST BELIEVE IT . exactly .
AND THIS IS NOT the only thing t hey twist either . why you think we got so darn many women pastors
OR so many PROSPERITY preachers , or nar realmers , OR YES RCC too . cant excuse that one .
JESUS said Call no man father , that we are all brethren
KINDA ODD some sure love to be called , wait for it , MOST HOLY FATHER , MOST H OLY reverand
And peter never told cornelious , WHEN HE KNEELED before HIM , WAIT , kiss my ring first .
HE TOLD HM GET UP i am but a man as you . THEY TWIST a lot , they all do .
And the sheep wont be heeding such either .

 

[GodsGrace]

Greetings again GodsGrace,

Perhaps one day when you come to understand what John 1:14 is actually saying, you will appreciate the Bible teaching that there is One God, Yahweh, God the Father and that our Lord Jesus Christ is a human now exalted to sit at the right hand of God in God the Father's Throne, and he is The Son of God by birth, by character and by resurrection.

Kind regards
Trevor

That day better come fast Trevor!
Been studying the bible 50 years and there are not many left.

So what does John 1:14 mean?
How do YOU understand it?

Here's my understanding, which you already know, but to repeat:

SOMETHING called THE WORD was WITH GOD
and WAS GOD.

This SOMETHING called THE WORD became flesh and dwelt among us.

WHAT was that WORD??

 

[GodsGrace]

Why marvel my friend . by grace i clearly understand why folks dont grasp THIS
and other simple concepts .
THEY CHOOSE TO FOLLOW MEN . and will sit under whatever man speaks what pleases them most .
But here is who sheep sit under , JESUS THE CHRIST
and only leaders who simply BELEIVED what was written and TEACH what is written . TWISTING NONE OF IT
but rather simply BELEIVING IT .
An example of one who loveth man more than GOD .
Rather than beleiving what is written
say,,,,,,,,,,,AND THE WORD was GOD
they sit under men who explain HOW THE WORD WAS NOT and COULD NOT BE GOD .
but odd , IT SAYS THE WORD was GOD . so why NOT JUST BELIEVE IT . exactly .
AND THIS IS NOT the only thing t hey twist either . why you think we got so darn many women pastors
OR so many PROSPERITY preachers , or nar realmers , OR YES RCC too . cant excuse that one .
JESUS said Call no man father , that we are all brethren
KINDA ODD some sure love to be called , wait for it , MOST HOLY FATHER , MOST H OLY reverand
And peter never told cornelious , WHEN HE KNEELED before HIM , WAIT , kiss my ring first .
HE TOLD HM GET UP i am but a man as you . THEY TWIST a lot , they all do .
And the sheep wont be heeding such either .

Yes sir.
In the 1840's someone began to teach that the Pyramids tell us when the world will end.
He was wrong, I think about 3 times.
No matter. He died and someone else took over.
They created a cult following with rules and regulations....
a dress code is always the sign of a cult.
Following A MAN instead of God is always the sign of a cult.

If we could just block out man and listen to God's teachings we would all agree.
Not that there's anythnig wrong in learning from spiritual men and learned men...
BUT THEY MUST AGREE WITH PLAIN SCRIPTURE that is easily understood.
OR
we flee from them.

 

[amigo de christo]

That day better come fast Trevor!
Been studying the bible 50 years and there are not many left.

So what does John 1:14 mean?
How do YOU understand it?

Here's my understanding, which you already know, but to repeat:

SOMETHING called THE WORD was WITH GOD
and WAS GOD.

This SOMETHING called THE WORD became flesh and dwelt among us.

WHAT was that WORD??

what a lovely question . WHAT was that word , THOUGH i would say you mean WHO .
but allow me to answer and you test this answer .
I can tell you two things about THE WORD I KNOW to be a fact .
HE , and yeah i said HE was not HUMAN
but sure did create human .
And the WORD was GOD
and by JESUS CHRIST created ALL that was . HE IS THE WORD OF GOD and By him
WERE ALL THI NGS seen and useen CREATED and without HIM was NOTHING MADE .
NOW its true THIS HE who IS THE WORD that was WITH GOD and was GOD
did take on HUMAN flesh .
SO THAT IS WHO was within that FLESH JESUS walked IN
Now WHO DOES that SOUND LIKE . a hint , NOT MAN .

 

[GodsGrace]

what a lovely question . WHAT was that word , THOUGH i would say you mean WHO .
but allow me to answer and you test this answer .
I can tell you two things about THE WORD I KNOW to be a fact .
HE , and yeah i said HE was not HUMAN
but sure did create human .
And the WORD was GOD
and by JESUS CHRIST created ALL that was . HE IS THE WORD OF GOD and By him
WERE ALL THI NGS seen and useen CREATED and without HIM was NOTHING MADE .
NOW its true THIS HE who IS THE WORD that was WITH GOD and was GOD
did take on HUMAN flesh .
SO THAT IS WHO was within that FLESH JESUS walked IN
Now WHO DOES that SOUND LIKE . a hint , NOT MAN .

You pass the test.
Let's see what the other member thinks about this "WORD".

What we know for sure is that it was God.
And then it became flesh.

 

[amigo de christo]

You pass the test.
Let's see what the other member thinks about this "WORD".

What we know for sure is that it was God.
And then it became flesh.

As usual they will try and say anything rather than the truth .
SO allow me to add a few more things .
DO TEST IT .
IS it true that the prophets spoke BY THE SPIRIT . YES
IS it true that JESUS spoke by THE SPIRIT . YES .
NOW
what is the difference one might ask .
NO prophet who ever once That SPOKE BY THE SPIRIT
said I AM
OR that I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST
NOR that before abraham was I AM .
BUT JESUS DID .
And the word confirms this .
IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD ...........................
and we both know what it says
ALL THINGS were created by HIM
AND the WORD WAS GOD . that is why JESUS SAID before abraham was I AM
and that is WHY we hear him from heaven to john say
I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST
BECAUSE JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD and THE WORD was GOD .
Rocket science is not needed to grasp that . NOW I know the mystery of HOW this can be
CAN be harder to grasp . BUT EVEN THEN i say DO NOT DENY THE TRUTH if even we do NOT understand HOW
this can be . JUST BELIEVE THE TRUTH .