"Before Abraham Was, I AM"

[ScottA]

Check my replies to you....everything you have raised has been addressed....rehashing is just a waste of energy.

No, John 1:1 speaks of “THE Word”....there is only one who is “ho logos”....and this one was “with “ho theos” (Yahweh/Jehovah.)

Yes, “ho logos” did become flesh, but “ho logos” was not “ho theos”.....he was just “theos”, which is a word with many applications. It applies to God, to Jesus, to angels, to Satan, and even to human judges.....
So calling Jesus “theos” is not calling him God with a capital “G”.

You are funny...no need for Greek? Why? Because it betrays a truth that Christendom must keep quiet?
The Greek argues that Christendom’s biased translations are in error.

Read the Greek interlinears and see where that little word “ho” is omitted so many times to infer what the Bible does not teach. You will see a little dash where the word “the” (ho) is clearly in the text when speaking of God, but visible in every other instance.
A classic example is in John 10:31-36. A genuine disciple of Christ will not ignore that very important translation detail.

The Word (ho logos) “became flesh” but “ho logos” was not “ho theos”. He was “with ho theos”....so how two separate personages can be one and the same deity is pretty much debunked, but only if you want to ignore something that is not obvious to those who are too lazy to dig for the hidden treasure.

If you want that to be true, and to ignore what is a glaring omission in translation, nothing I say will make a scrap of difference...as you so ably demonstrate.....you just rehash the same stuff...over and over as if you’ve never been shown proof in the Bible that your assumptions are not correct.

I think I am done responding to anything more on this topic with you.
People can read the responses here and make up their own minds.....

Semantics Aunty, only semantics.

Why should you go the way of the Lawyers--are They not One? What did men see--a spirit? No, but even so, they saw "God with us" (capital G).

 

[Aunty Jane]

Semantics Aunty, only semantics.

Seriously....if we do not apply semantics to the word of God, how will we ever understand what is written?
There is a written word of God that all in Christendom can read....but they do not all understand what they read, especially not from biased translations.

Why should you go the way of the Lawyers--are They not One? What did men see--a spirit? No, but even so, they saw "God with us" (capital G).

The way of the Lawyers? Why did Jesus castigate the Pharisees over their legalism? It was so very evident that they knew the letter of the law, but lost the reason why it was given. The Jews were so carried away with the letter of the law that, when Jesus and his apostles passed through a wheat field and snatched a few grains of wheat on their way through, the Pharisees accused them of “harvesting” on the Sabbath.....was that what they were doing? That is what legalism looks like.

Your reference to “Immanuel” there (God with us) isn’t stating that Immanuel was God, but that, as had always been the case, God was “with” his people by the human representatives that he chose for the various roles included in the worship that he prescribed for his people.

Jesus was not called “Immanuel”, was he? He was given a name that incorporated why Jesus was sent by his God and Father in the carrying out of his will and purpose.....”salvation”. (Jehovah is Salvation)

Those who rely only on the spirit that they feel is directing them, often end up with their very own religion...one that they believe comes straight from the source.....but that is not the way Jesus taught...is it?

In order to become a Christian, there is a process that was set when Christ began his ministry.
He went out to the people with his message, which was provided by God....and he sent out his disciples with that very same message of salvation to the Jewish people first. No one was privately instructed by God’s spirit, except Jesus who taught only what his Father taught him. That truth was conveyed to others who were in turn drawn into one brotherhood. In the first century Christianity wasn’t denominational....it was one brotherhood with one truth, which was preached by all. That is how Christianity spread.

Those who received Holy Spirit at Pentecost, were given ability to speak the languages of the Jews who had come from foreign lands to the Temple in Jerusalem, for the festival. They in turn, on hearing the message, took that truth back with them to their home countries, and so Christianity was spread “to the most distant part of the earth” as Jesus said it would.

Those who receive a direct line to God could be credible but for one glaring problem.....they do not all speak in agreement as Paul said that Christians must. (1 Cor 1:10)

The other thing that Christians must do is meet regularly with their brothers in Christ, who were to “incite to love and fine works”. (Heb 10:24-25)

Unity is what God’s spirit promotes, not division....not sectarianism, where all tolerate the false beliefs of others in the vain hope that God accepts them all....he clearly does not. Otherwise the ones who were Jewish would not have had to separate from an apostate religious system that started out as authentic, but who, by their repeated disobedience, lost their place in the Kingdom. God caused that separation.

Christianity followed the same pattern....through false teachers they deviated from the truth of the Bible and imposed their own truth instead....it is not obvious until you step back and see what masquerades as Christianity today...is no such thing....not even close.

Those who teach the truth are a united minority who are hated by the world because they refuse to conform to a religious system where Christ is God, and his God and Father remains nameless and rarely mentioned. (Matt 7:13-14; John 15:18-21)

In the Lord’s Prayer, uttered by literally thousands of people every day....Jesus said..
“Our Father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name”......he did not say “hallowed be MY name”.

He said he had come to “make his Father’s name known”, but Christendom refuses to accept it....even removing it entirely from most of their Bible translations.

 

[ScottA]

Seriously....if we do not apply semantics to the word of God, how will we ever understand what is written?
There is a written word of God that all in Christendom can read....but they do not all understand what they read, especially not from biased translations.

The words are spirit--of God--while semantics is of men leaning on their own understanding of language confused by God. As for all in Christendom--even the demons can read. Therefore God has confused all language and even His word--especially--requires spiritual discernment--not man's own spirit or would-be holy spirit--but God's spirit alone, allowing for only One true interpretation. These matters of understanding are in God's hands alone.

 

[ScottA]

The way of the Lawyers? Why did Jesus castigate the Pharisees over their legalism? It was so very evident that they knew the letter of the law, but lost the reason why it was given. The Jews were so carried away with the letter of the law that, when Jesus and his apostles passed through a wheat field and snatched a few grains of wheat on their way through, the Pharisees accused them of “harvesting” on the Sabbath.....was that what they were doing? That is what legalism looks like.

Your reference to “Immanuel” there (God with us) isn’t stating that Immanuel was God, but that, as had always been the case, God was “with” his people by the human representatives that he chose for the various roles included in the worship that he prescribed for his people.

Matthew 1:23​

“Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”​

Jesus ("Jehovah is salvation") is but a reference to what He brought).

But do not misunderstand, man (even Jesus) is but a animated, created image revealing God--dividing one man into many, to divide the light from the darkness, the Light of which then returns as the One man Jesus Christ...who is One with God, and therefore is God, as we who are His shall be also.

In other words, yes, there are many details of law and men and many generations, but it is a mistake to get out in the weeds of that good vs. evil detail and try to make heads or tails of the language that God has purposely confused to stifle the devil through this long night and darkness. Thus, what are we told? To study the word, yes, and to believe it--that's it. And we to do that by one method: "He who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the contrary, we are not suppose to debate scripture or pit one person's interpretation against another. It is for this reason that Paul gave instructions (both to men and to women) to "be silent in church." For which Jesus also spoke, saying to those who are sent to speak what is from God, "it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit."

 

[Lizbeth]

I agree with what you have stated here, but deeper study is required if the devil was set up a counterfeit “church” and convince the majority that they don’t need to study the Scriptures for themselves. We know that the ancient Boereans were commended for checking everything they heard with their Scripture. Should we be less vigilant? Especially in view of the fact that Jesus and his apostles warned of this apostasy that would take over the Christian Faith in exactly the same way that the devil corrupted Judaism.

We also know that the hygiene laws given to Israel were not understood at the time because there were no “microscopes” in those days to show the people what was invisible to them. The bacteria and causes of communicable diseases like leprosy were not understood at all back then, so reliance on God’s instructions were vital if they were to maintain their health. Unclean meats were also shown to be contaminated with microorganisms that can cause disease....so bringing a microscope to the Bible also uncovers many things that are served up to people in Christendom without regard as to whether many of the things dishes up in Christendom are ‘clean’ or ‘unclean’ to God. (2 Cor 6:14-18)

It is those who blindly swallow was is served up to them who will become spiritually sick.....often terminally.

We owe it to God and to ourselves to dig for the hidden treasure......it’s not lying about on the surface, but requires effort to dig. No effort means no real results.....fool’s gold is lying about everywhere....can we tell the difference? “Few” can. (Matt 7:13-14; 21-23) God is the one who “draws” those with the right heart, to his truth. (John 6:44; 65) No one can come to the Son without an invitation from his Father.

As I said, the issue is about what/who we are relying on.....the carnal mind (enmity with God), or Him? And was the bible written for intellectuals and scholars? God has chosen the weak things. In our weakness His strength is made perfect.

 

[Lizbeth]

But do not misunderstand, man (even Jesus) is but a animated, created image revealing God--dividing one man into many, to divide the light from the darkness, the Light of which then returns as the One man Jesus Christ...who is One with God, and therefore is God, as we who are His shall be also.

Oh dear, I think great care needs to be taken not to overstate the case:

Isa 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.


And just in case, the very first thing Jesus said when the disciples asked Him about signs of the end was this:

Mat 24:3-5
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

 

[GodsGrace]

Check my replies to you....everything you have raised has been addressed....rehashing is just a waste of energy.

No, John 1:1 speaks of “THE Word”....there is only one who is “ho logos”....and this one was “with “ho theos” (Yahweh/Jehovah.)

Yes, “ho logos” did become flesh, but “ho logos” was not “ho theos”.....he was just “theos”, which is a word with many applications. It applies to God, to Jesus, to angels, to Satan, and even to human judges.....
So calling Jesus “theos” is not calling him God with a capital “G”.

Are you saying Jesus is a god with a small g?
So He's one of those gods spoken of in the OT that God wanted to banish so that only HE could be worshipped?

You can believe this if you want to.

I'll stay with JESUS IS GOD.

BTW,,,THE LOGS is exactly the same as THE WORD.

Perhaps you don't know what LOGOS means?

You've picked an escape route that will bring you nowhere.

You are funny...no need for Greek? Why? Because it betrays a truth that Christendom must keep quiet?
The Greek argues that Christendom’s biased translations are in error.

Quite the opposite.

Those that work to twist the simple words of Jesus and the other writers will always resort to
THE GREEK.

And what do we find in THE GREEK?

Multiple meanings for the same word.
So which one to pick?

YOU pick the one that most suits YOU.
Translators will pick the word that fits the context and the hermeneutics.

Yes Ma'am.
THE GREEK does us no good since the bible is already translated.

And which translation IS biased and worthless?
The New World Translation.

Read the Greek interlinears and see where that little word “ho” is omitted so many times to infer what the Bible does not teach. You will see a little dash where the word “the” (ho) is clearly in the text when speaking of God, but visible in every other instance.
A classic example is in John 10:31-36. A genuine disciple of Christ will not ignore that very important translation detail.

You must read strange versions of the Word of God.

The Word (ho logos) “became flesh” but “ho logos” was not “ho theos”. He was “with ho theos”....so how two separate personages can be one and the same deity is pretty much debunked, but only if you want to ignore something that is not obvious to those who are too lazy to dig for the hidden treasure.

Those that understand and accept the Trinity understand what you seem to be unable to.

Do you have a husband?
Is he also a son?
Is he also a brother?

If you want that to be true, and to ignore what is a glaring omission in translation, nothing I say will make a scrap of difference...as you so ably demonstrate.....you just rehash the same stuff...over and over as if you’ve never been shown proof in the Bible that your assumptions are not correct.

Of course nothing you say will make a difference.
I rely on the Word of God.

And you never use scripture so there's not much to reply to.

I think I am done responding to anything more on this topic with you.
People can read the responses here and make up their own minds.....

Christians on this Forum believe Jesus is God.
Non-Christians do not believe Jesus is God.

This was established 2 thousand years ago....
NOT 200 years ago.

Nothing to debate here.

 

[amigo de christo]

Are you saying Jesus is a god with a small g?
So He's one of those gods spoken of in the OT that God wanted to banish so that only HE could be worshipped?

You can believe this if you want to.

I'll stay with JESUS IS GOD.

BTW,,,THE LOGS is exactly the same as THE WORD.

Perhaps you don't know what LOGOS means?

You've picked an escape route that will bring you nowhere.

Quite the opposite.

Those that work to twist the simple words of Jesus and the other writers will always resort to
THE GREEK.

And what do we find in THE GREEK?

Multiple meanings for the same word.
So which one to pick?

YOU pick the one that most suits YOU.
Translators will pick the word that fits the context and the hermeneutics.

Yes Ma'am.
THE GREEK does us no good since the bible is already translated.

And which translation IS biased and worthless?
The New World Translation.


You must read strange versions of the Word of God.


Those that understand and accept the Trinity understand what you seem to be unable to.

Do you have a husband?
Is he also a son?
Is he also a brother?



Of course nothing you say will make a difference.
I rely on the Word of God.

And you never use scripture so there's not much to reply to.

Christians on this Forum believe Jesus is God.
Non-Christians do not believe Jesus is God.

This was established 2 thousand years ago....
NOT 200 years ago.

Nothing to debate here.

Oh i see you caught this my friend .
Yep they always pick and choose their greek to suit the desired teaching of their own precepts .
And friend they do this with many things now .
Jesus never said lest ye become as wise intellectual men ye shall in no way enter into the KINGDOM .
HE said lest ye become as small children . And the children simply beleive that which is written
without wise sounding cymbals which do nuaght but twist whatever is written to FIT what man has said is truth .
It you take notice its NOT GOD that made the bible so complicated
it was men that did that as they twisted things .

 

[GodsGrace]

Greetings again GodsGrace,

If Wisdom is God, then how do you reconcile this with the fact that Jesus increased in wisdom, showing that his wisdom was a matter of education and growth. Hence Jesus is not God.

Are you aware that God became MAN?
Are you aware that when GOD BECAME MAN He was limited in His abilities??

Do you THINK Jesus was omni-present when He was on this earth?

Doesn't matter what YOU believe Trevor.

What DOES matter is what the NT writers taught about Jesus:

Here is what they taught and which all CHRISTIANS accept:
You are apparently worhsipping a mere man or a different Jesus -



John 8:58 — “Before Abraham was, I AM.” (Echoes God’s name in Exod 3:14; the crowd tries to stone him.)

John 10:30–33 — “I and the Father are one.” His opponents reply: “you… make yourself God.”

John 14:9 — “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.”

John 5:17–23 — He calls God “my Father,” making himself equal with God; claims equal honor with the Father.

Matt 26:63–66— Under oath Jesus identifies himself as the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed, and the Son of Man who will sit at God’s right hand and come on the clouds (Dan 7; Ps 110). The council calls it blasphemy.

John 17:5 — He speaks of the glory he had with the Father before the world existed.

Mark 2:5–12 (par. Luke 5:20–24) — He forgives sins and proves his authority by healing; the scribes say, “Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

John 20:28 — Thomas addresses the risen Jesus: “My Lord and my God!” and Jesus accepts it.

Revelation 1:17–18; 22:13 — Jesus takes God’s titles: “the First and the Last,” “the Alpha and the Omega,” the Living One who died and is alive forever.

John 11:25; 14:6 — “I am the resurrection and the life… I am the way, the truth, and the life.”

Matthew 28:18–20 — “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me… baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.”

One verse can be very important, so looking again at John 1:14 there is some parallel with Jesus and his growth in wisdom. John says that they beheld the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ, and he then further describes this glory in the fact that Jesus was "full of grace and truth". John did not witness this glory as physical attributes, but these qualities were moral glory. These were moral characteristics, similar to wisdom, and were a matter of growth. The Word made flesh is not speaking of the continuity of a physical being, but the transfer through education of the divine attributes of grace and truth.

Kind regards
Trevor

Learn about Divine Simplicity.

Try to understand that Jesus, on the earth, was God, but limited.

Grace and truth are moral glory, as you called them.
§When you decide to accept the Christian religion/faith,,,
you can learn Christian theology.

 

[amigo de christo]

Are you saying Jesus is a god with a small g?
So He's one of those gods spoken of in the OT that God wanted to banish so that only HE could be worshipped?

You can believe this if you want to.

I'll stay with JESUS IS GOD.

BTW,,,THE LOGS is exactly the same as THE WORD.

Perhaps you don't know what LOGOS means?

You've picked an escape route that will bring you nowhere.

Quite the opposite.

Those that work to twist the simple words of Jesus and the other writers will always resort to
THE GREEK.

And what do we find in THE GREEK?

Multiple meanings for the same word.
So which one to pick?

YOU pick the one that most suits YOU.
Translators will pick the word that fits the context and the hermeneutics.

Yes Ma'am.
THE GREEK does us no good since the bible is already translated.

And which translation IS biased and worthless?
The New World Translation.


You must read strange versions of the Word of God.


Those that understand and accept the Trinity understand what you seem to be unable to.

Do you have a husband?
Is he also a son?
Is he also a brother?



Of course nothing you say will make a difference.
I rely on the Word of God.

And you never use scripture so there's not much to reply to.

Christians on this Forum believe Jesus is God.
Non-Christians do not believe Jesus is God.

This was established 2 thousand years ago....
NOT 200 years ago.

Nothing to debate here.

Its men that twist things .
Till now all they do see and preach is THAT IS NOT a forest you see my child , its just billions of trees .
They always learning but never able to come to the Truth .
What did paul warn timothy in the sixth chapter of timothy .
IF one agrees not to wholesome words , THE WORDS of CHRIST JESUS
oh they always make STRIFES ABOUT WORDS and etc .
NOTHING NEW under the sun sister . CAUSE they DO JUST THIS
FOR Every time one brings them what is c learly w ritten
what is their response , OH YOU dont know the g reek root word
OR you need semantics , OR you need
YET ITS PRETTY clear what IT SAYS . THEY TWIST IT sister . Their like the greeks
ALWAYS seeking wisdom , sadly its the wisdom of men , NOT GOD .
JESUS is the WISDOM of GOD unto us . HIS WORDS are TRUTH .
His sheep simply BELIEVE those words . But many twist such words
whenever such words GET in the way of their own precept . NOT GOOD at all .

 

[JustMe]

Yet another half-a-dozen or so outpourings of successive posts revealing willful spiritual ignorance in choosing to ignore scriptural evidence often to maintain a preferred narrative or belief system. It implies a deliberate avoidance of truth.

And the Dunning–Kruger effect may also be, in effect. Lacking the expertise to recognize their own shortcomings, leading them to overestimate their understanding while being unaware of their errors. It is self-centered and not God-centric.

Therefore there are usually at least two conditions common to humans who constantly parrot their posts: willful spiritual ignorance and the Dunning–Kruger effect.

It often indicates a desire to reinforce a particular narrative, gain attention, or establish credibility or even for a psychological or emotional need or purpose.

 

[ScottA]

Oh dear, I think great care needs to be taken not to overstate the case:

Isa 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.


And just in case, the very first thing Jesus said when the disciples asked Him about signs of the end was this:

Mat 24:3-5
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Just as the woman was taken out of the man, so are we taken out of God in Christ, to which we return after His washing.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yet another half-a-dozen or so outpourings of successive posts revealing willful spiritual ignorance in choosing to ignore scriptural evidence often to maintain a preferred narrative or belief system. It implies a deliberate avoidance of truth.

And the Dunning–Kruger effect may also be, in effect. Lacking the expertise to recognize their own shortcomings, leading them to overestimate their understanding while being unaware of their errors. It is self-centered and not God-centric.

Therefore there are usually at least two conditions common to humans who constantly parrot their posts: willful spiritual ignorance and the Dunning–Kruger effect.

It often indicates a desire to reinforce a particular narrative, gain attention, or establish credibility or even for a psychological or emotional need or purpose.

HERE is what is increasing b ig time .
NOW read this real slowly my friend .
MANY now no longer consent to the wholesome words of Christ
they are always doting on questions and s trifes about words .
Folks simply no longer believe the scrips as they are written
its always HERE let me show you greek , what about this or what about that , questions , strifes of words .
THIS GENERATION IS NOT GOING to make it . SOON ALL will suckle from the teets of the well favored
ecumenical harlot . ALL not in the lambs book of life will .
The BIBLE is not complicated at all . But many darn sure have made it that way and do so
unto their own d estruction .
SO its known as the DUNG LOVING effect . hows that .

 

[Marvelloustime]

HERE is what is increasing b ig time .
NOW read this real slowly my friend .
MANY now no longer consent to the wholesome words of Christ
they are always doting on questions and s trifes about words .
Folks simply no longer believe the scrips as they are written
its always HERE let me show you greek , what about this or what about that , questions , strifes of words .
THIS GENERATION IS NOT GOING to make it . SOON ALL will suckle from the teets of the well favored
ecumenical harlot . ALL not in the lambs book of life will .
The BIBLE is not complicated at all . But many darn sure have made it that way and do so
unto their own d estruction .
SO its known as the DUNG LOVING effect . hows that .

@amigo de christo

 

[Aunty Jane]

As I said, the issue is about what/who we are relying on.....the carnal mind (enmity with God), or Him? And was the bible written for intellectuals and scholars? God has chosen the weak things. In our weakness His strength is made perfect.

And as I have reminded a few here on these boards…..who do you believe, when those who are convinced that they are guided by the spirit, end up with different interpretations of the same Scripture…?

Would God give misleading information to those ones who all appear to be equally sincere?….all equally guided by God’s spirit?
It would be their unity that would identify them…..not their divisions. Anyone can claim to be a Christian….it’s not their words, but their actions that speak louder.

 

[BreadOfLife]

According to Jesus, believers can be in Father and Son as they are in each other. How can believers be in Father and Son? Only through the Holy Spirit. 'JUST AS YOU ARE IN ME AND I AM IN YOU MAY THEY ALSO BE IN US

How can believers be as one?

Only through the Holy Spirit, there is no other way, of one heart and one mind in the Spirit, in complete unity.

Then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind. Phil2:2

And Jesus prayed: That they(believers) may be one AS AS we are one

Its all about the Holy Spirit

Yes, His Church is ONE in the Holy Spirit.
His Church, which is a spiritual entity – is also a physical and a VISIBLE entity, comprised of people.

In Matt. 5:14, Jesus tells the Apostles that the Church was “the light of the world” and that, “A city on a hill cannot be hidden.”
HisChurch was never meant to be a gaggle of competing sects – ALL teaching different doctrines.

His Church is ONE (John 17:20-23) – a monolith in the world – NOT a collection of perpetually-splintering groups . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

So your church states the TC are obligatory, salvation is attained through faith, Baptism and obeying the TC.
Whereas, Paul states we must die to the law in order to bear fruit for God, we are released from it and serve in the new way of the Spirit NOT the old way of the written code.
So I don't think Paul would have been happy with your churches view of how salvation is achieved!
And please don't say Rom7:4-6 doesn't refer to the TC, I can easily prove it does!!

Either you cannot read, or you’re just not that bright.
I have explained this to you, ad nauseam – and you persist in making the SAME erroneous claims.

This is the LAST time:
Toy YOU, Faith is believing. James 2:17 tells us that even the demons do that much.

To CATHOLICS, Faith is believing and obeying God’s will. This encompasses the Commandments .You cannot have true faith and refuse to live the Commandments.

It’s NOT just performing the Commandments in and of themselves. It’s about living them as an essential element of faith.

 

[saved by grace 101]

Yes, His Church is ONE in the Holy Spirit.
His Church, which is a spiritual entity – is also a physical and a VISIBLE entity, comprised of people.

In Matt. 5:14, Jesus tells the Apostles that the Church was “the light of the world” and that, “A city on a hill cannot be hidden.”
HisChurch was never meant to be a gaggle of competing sects – ALL teaching different doctrines.

His Church is ONE (John 17:20-23) – a monolith in the world – NOT a collection of perpetually-splintering groups . . .

Doesn't mention a church, only believers, and you are not in Father and Son through a church, but the Holy Spirit
Because Jesus said JUST AS you are in me and I am in you may they also be in us.
Jesus and his father are not in each other through the catholic church are they?

 

[saved by grace 101]

To CATHOLICS, Faith is believing and obeying God’s will. This encompasses the Commandments .You cannot have true faith and refuse to live the Commandments.

It’s NOT just performing the Commandments in and of themselves. It’s about living them as an essential element of faith.

The commandments Paul says you die to and are released from, the commandments he terms the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation:

You must not dwell on any impure thought

You must never put anything before God in your life

You must not tell any even little fib about another

You must not erect any graven image in your mind

You must not desire anything of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household.

You must obey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break
Going by your post, do you believe you have true faith and are saved?

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again GodsGrace,

Grace and truth are moral glory, as you called them.

Yes, John 1:14 is speaking about the moral glory of Jesus, which he developed and what was developed in him by God His Father, he was full of grace and truth.

Kind regards
Trevor.