The Case for Eternal Security

[Behold]

So, only Protestant evangelical Christians will be saved?
That's convenient. - LOL

Only the born again are saved., and this can't happen after the person dies.
We are born again on earth, or we are never born again.

If you die not born again, then Jesus said you have "died in your sins", you've committed the unpardonable sin by dying without Christ's forgiveness, and that means that the opportunity to go to Heaven as a Born again CHRISTian, is over.
There is no 2nd chance in Hell to be born again.
Every Universalist who died without God's "imputed righteousness", not forgiven, now believes in Hell.
Their false doctrine didnt help them after they died.

 

[St. SteVen]

Every Universalist who died without God's "imputed righteousness", not forgiven, now believes in Hell.

Where did you get the idea that Universalists don't have God's "imputed righteousness"?
That's ridiculous.

 

[Behold]

Where did you get the idea that Universalists don't have God's "imputed righteousness"?

Cursed Universalists (Galatians 1:8)........... teach that unbelievers, never born again on earth, never having trusted in Christ before they die, will get a 2nd chance after they die to go to Heaven.
In fact, the core ROT of Demonic Universalism, is the teaching that everyone is already a Christian, that everyone is already redeemed, already given "imputed righteousness",.."already reconciled to God"... when in fact righteousness that is imputed by God, is only given to a person who has trusted in Chirst, by FAITH, before they died.

A.) Universalists sell a God "damned" lie, (Galatians 1:8).....and this lie leads unbelievers into Hell daily, because they were led to believe by Universalism liars, that they were safe, saved, and going to heaven.
Universalist also add that because Hell is not real, sinners should not worry about it.

So, what a nice tidy little Satanic Teaching is Universalism.......It gets rid of Hell, and it gets rid of Faith in Christ as God requires of an UNBELIEVER, before they die.

See, noone can be redeemed after they die, as redemption is based on what Christ did on Earth, and its to be received by a believer on earth, before they die.
Sinners are redeemed by the Blood of Jesus before they die, or they are never redeemed at all.

 

[St. SteVen]

Cursed Universalists (Galatians 1:8)........... teach that unbelievers, never born again on earth, never having trusted in Christ before they die, will get a 2nd chance after they die to go to Heaven.
In fact, the core ROT of Demonic Universalism, is the teaching that everyone is already a Christian, that everyone is already redeemed, already given "imputed righteousness",.."already reconciled to God"... when in fact righteousness that is imputed by God, is only given to a person who has trusted in Chirst, by FAITH, before they died.

None of that is true.
And this isn't the first time I have called you out on it.
What do you think about those who bear false witness? (liars)

 

[JLB]

4. We have become God’s children​

John 1:12-13 says:

When we accepted Jesus as our Savior, we were saved from eternal perdition.
But that’s not all. These verses tell us we were also begotten of God to be His children.
This is something that can’t be undone.
We all know that children misbehave from time to time.
But no matter how much they may misbehave, their bad behavior can never negate
the fact that they were born of their parents. Even when children are disciplined,
that discipline doesn’t undo their relationship with their parents.
In the same way, our sins and failures can’t negate the fact that we’re born of God
and are children of God. We may sometimes require God’s discipline,
but we’ll always be God’s children, born of His divine life.

You make a statement that says “we have become God’s children”.


Then you quote a scripture that says we have the right to become children of God.


The truth is we have the right to become children of God.


Become denotes a process.


This process involves remaining in Him.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Here is how we are instructed to remain in Christ.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

 

[St. SteVen]

You make a statement that says “we have become God’s children”.


Then you quote a scripture that says we have the right to become children of God.


The truth is we have the right to become children of God.


Become denotes a process.


This process involves remaining in Him.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Here is how we are instructed to remain in Christ.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

Rubbish, works religion.
Are you saved or damned by your own works?
So that you may boast?

 

[Behold]

None of that is true.

Listen, a person who is believing that they'll get to choose Christ and find God, after they die,.... is going to HELL while they play that game with themselves.

Jesus does not save anyone automatically, and He will not save anyone after they die.

God requires our FAITH in CHRIST..........before we die, so that He can solve our sin issue, and give us His Righteousness and the new Birth "in Christ'.
This cannot happen to you after you die, it can only happen to a BELIEVER while they are alive. @St. SteVen

 

[JLB]

Rubbish, works religion.
Are you saved or damned by your own works?
So that you may boast?

Let me know when you can address the scriptures I gave.

 

[St. SteVen]

Let me know when you can address the scriptures I gave.

There are scriptures that support both sides of this issue.
They are contradictory. Choose a side.

My position;
We cannot by an act of our own will undo what only God could do in the first place.
Even in the case of reprobation, it is God's choice. And the good shepherd goes
after the lost sheep and brings them back to the fold.

 

[JLB]

There are scriptures that support both sides of this issue.
They are contradictory. Choose a side.

‘There are no scriptures that support OSAS.

A person must willfully close their eyes to what the scriptures say about salvation, (Stronghold) in order to believe the lie of that doctrine.


Jesus plainly and clearly stated that those who are “in Him” must remain in Him or be cast into the fire and burned.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


People who are “in Christ” can indeed be removed from Him by God the Father.

• Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;

I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. John 15:1-2


Those who are Christ’s that wander away and become lost must repent and return to Him, or they will remain lost.


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7

• Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’

His sheep can indeed become lost.

The lost are in need of salvation.

• I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

His sheep who become lost must repent and return to Him, just as they did when they were first saved.

 

[St. SteVen]

‘There are no scriptures that support OSAS.

A person must willfully close their eyes to what the scriptures say about salvation, (Stronghold) in order to believe the lie of that doctrine.

I'm disappointed that a staff member would be so uninformed and insensitive.

7 Proofs Your Salvation Is Eternally Secure​

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;
no one will snatch them out of my hand. - John 10:28 NIV

And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice
of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. - Hebrews 10:10 NIV

When you first believed in Jesus, you were saved.
But after a while, perhaps because you sinned or failed God in some way, maybe you began to question whether it’s possible to lose your salvation.
A genuine believer in the Lord Jesus shouldn’t be tormented by this question.
The Bible tells us that once we believe in Jesus Christ, we can never lose our salvation.
In this post we’ll look at some verses that show seven proofs of our salvation being irreversible and eternally secure.

1. Our salvation was initiated by God​

Ephesians 1:4 says:

“Even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world
to be holy and without blemish before Him in love.”

God chose us before we were born, even before the universe was created.
Then, when the time was right for us to be saved, He called us.
Do you think that God would choose us so long ago, send His Son to die for us,
wait for us to be born, and then call and save us, only to abandon us after we’re finally saved?
No, He would not. God is the One who initiated our salvation
before the foundation of the world and carried it out.

2. God’s love for us is eternal​

Jeremiah 31:3 says:

“I have loved you with an eternal love.”

This verse says God loves us with a love that’s eternal.
That means His love is unchanging.
Human love can be fickle, but God’s love never changes;
it doesn’t depend on what we do.
God loves us eternally.

3. God is righteous in saving us​

Psalm 89:14 says:

“Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne.”

God’s throne is immovable and unshakable because the foundation of His throne is His righteousness.
God’s love motivated Him to save us from eternal judgment. But God’s righteousness is the base of His salvation.
Many fear God’s righteousness and associate it with His wrath. His righteousness is indeed a fearful thing.
Because God is righteous, He cannot tolerate or overlook sin; He’s bound to judge all unrighteousness.
But God’s righteousness is also the base of our salvation, which is truly wonderful.


Let’s see how this is so. Romans 6:23 says:

“The wages of sin is death.”

This means that all who sin must die.
The righteous God has no other choice but to judge sinners and assign them their wages: eternal death.
But the Lord Jesus came and bore the judgment of death for sinners on the cross.
God accepted Jesus’ sacrifice as the full payment for our sins. Just as in a court of law, a judge can’t require
a debt to be paid twice, God is bound by His righteousness to honor the price Christ paid for us.
So if God wants His throne to stand, He must act in accordance with His righteousness.
Since Jesus paid the penalty for our sins by dying in our place,
God’s righteousness won’t allow Him to demand further payment from us.
This means our salvation is secured by God’s righteousness;
He can’t take it away from us. Praise Him for His righteousness!

4. We have become God’s children​

John 1:12-13 says:

“But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God,
to those who believe into His name, who were begotten…of God.”

When we accepted Jesus as our Savior, we were saved from eternal perdition.
But that’s not all. These verses tell us we were also begotten of God to be His children.
This is something that can’t be undone.
We all know that children misbehave from time to time.
But no matter how much they may misbehave, their bad behavior can never negate
the fact that they were born of their parents. Even when children are disciplined,
that discipline doesn’t undo their relationship with their parents.
In the same way, our sins and failures can’t negate the fact that we’re born of God
and are children of God. We may sometimes require God’s discipline,
but we’ll always be God’s children, born of His divine life.

5. God keeps us in His hand​

John 10:28-29 says:

“And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish forever,
and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. My Father…is greater than all,
and no one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand.”

All kinds of things may try to snatch us from the Father’s hand—sin, the world,
difficulties, even Satan himself. But in these verses, the Lord Jesus assures us by saying that
it’s impossible for us to be snatched away. No one and nothing is stronger than God.

6. God never changes​

Hebrews 13:8 says:

“Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, yes, even forever.”

Everything changes: people, circumstances, environments, the weather.
Even our own emotions fluctuate constantly; we can be up one minute and down the next.
But our salvation doesn’t hinge on our feelings. God never changes and neither does His salvation.

7. Christ has promised not to cast us out​

John 6:37 says:

“All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and him who comes to Me I shall by no means cast out.”

What a precious, unconditional promise from our Savior!
He will never cast out or reject those who have come to Him.
We can fully trust in Him and His Word to know our salvation is eternally secure.
So we shouldn’t live our Christian life in constant fear and doubt.
Our salvation is eternally secure, and we can and should trust in the Word of God,
which assures us of this fact.

We encourage you to learn more about this important topic by reading
Basic Elements of the Christian Life, vols. 1-3, a free book set that has helped
thousands of believers. If you’re a US resident, you can order the free three-volume set here.
You can also download them from anywhere in the world here.

Source

 

[JLB]

I'm disappointed that a staff member would be so uninformed and insensitive.

7 Proofs Your Salvation Is Eternally Secure​

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;
no one will snatch them out of my hand. - John 10:28 NIV

And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice
of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. - Hebrews 10:10 NIV

When you first believed in Jesus, you were saved.
But after a while, perhaps because you sinned or failed God in some way, maybe you began to question whether it’s possible to lose your salvation.
A genuine believer in the Lord Jesus shouldn’t be tormented by this question.
The Bible tells us that once we believe in Jesus Christ, we can never lose our salvation.
In this post we’ll look at some verses that show seven proofs of our salvation being irreversible and eternally secure.

1. Our salvation was initiated by God​

Ephesians 1:4 says:



God chose us before we were born, even before the universe was created.
Then, when the time was right for us to be saved, He called us.
Do you think that God would choose us so long ago, send His Son to die for us,
wait for us to be born, and then call and save us, only to abandon us after we’re finally saved?
No, He would not. God is the One who initiated our salvation
before the foundation of the world and carried it out.

2. God’s love for us is eternal​

Jeremiah 31:3 says:



This verse says God loves us with a love that’s eternal.
That means His love is unchanging.
Human love can be fickle, but God’s love never changes;
it doesn’t depend on what we do.
God loves us eternally.

3. God is righteous in saving us​

Psalm 89:14 says:



God’s throne is immovable and unshakable because the foundation of His throne is His righteousness.
God’s love motivated Him to save us from eternal judgment. But God’s righteousness is the base of His salvation.
Many fear God’s righteousness and associate it with His wrath. His righteousness is indeed a fearful thing.
Because God is righteous, He cannot tolerate or overlook sin; He’s bound to judge all unrighteousness.
But God’s righteousness is also the base of our salvation, which is truly wonderful.


Let’s see how this is so. Romans 6:23 says:



This means that all who sin must die.
The righteous God has no other choice but to judge sinners and assign them their wages: eternal death.
But the Lord Jesus came and bore the judgment of death for sinners on the cross.
God accepted Jesus’ sacrifice as the full payment for our sins. Just as in a court of law, a judge can’t require
a debt to be paid twice, God is bound by His righteousness to honor the price Christ paid for us.
So if God wants His throne to stand, He must act in accordance with His righteousness.
Since Jesus paid the penalty for our sins by dying in our place,
God’s righteousness won’t allow Him to demand further payment from us.
This means our salvation is secured by God’s righteousness;
He can’t take it away from us. Praise Him for His righteousness!

4. We have become God’s children​

John 1:12-13 says:



When we accepted Jesus as our Savior, we were saved from eternal perdition.
But that’s not all. These verses tell us we were also begotten of God to be His children.
This is something that can’t be undone.
We all know that children misbehave from time to time.
But no matter how much they may misbehave, their bad behavior can never negate
the fact that they were born of their parents. Even when children are disciplined,
that discipline doesn’t undo their relationship with their parents.
In the same way, our sins and failures can’t negate the fact that we’re born of God
and are children of God. We may sometimes require God’s discipline,
but we’ll always be God’s children, born of His divine life.

5. God keeps us in His hand​

John 10:28-29 says:



All kinds of things may try to snatch us from the Father’s hand—sin, the world,
difficulties, even Satan himself. But in these verses, the Lord Jesus assures us by saying that
it’s impossible for us to be snatched away. No one and nothing is stronger than God.

6. God never changes​

Hebrews 13:8 says:



Everything changes: people, circumstances, environments, the weather.
Even our own emotions fluctuate constantly; we can be up one minute and down the next.
But our salvation doesn’t hinge on our feelings. God never changes and neither does His salvation.

7. Christ has promised not to cast us out​

John 6:37 says:



What a precious, unconditional promise from our Savior!
He will never cast out or reject those who have come to Him.
We can fully trust in Him and His Word to know our salvation is eternally secure.
So we shouldn’t live our Christian life in constant fear and doubt.
Our salvation is eternally secure, and we can and should trust in the Word of God,
which assures us of this fact.

We encourage you to learn more about this important topic by reading
Basic Elements of the Christian Life, vols. 1-3, a free book set that has helped
thousands of believers. If you’re a US resident, you can order the free three-volume set here.
You can also download them from anywhere in the world here.

Source

Nothing here about OSAS or ES or any other name you have.




“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; John 15:1-2

 

[St. SteVen]

Nothing here about OSAS or ES or any other name you have.




“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; John 15:1-2

So you have no idea what OSAS is? Okay.
It's a derogatory term. I prefer ES.
The opposite would be eternal INsecurity.

 

[JLB]

So you have no idea what OSAS is? Okay.
It's a derogatory term. I prefer ES.
The opposite would be eternal INsecurity.

Do you believe a person who is in Christ, that is no longer in Christ is still saved?

 

[St. SteVen]

Do you believe a person who is in Christ, that is no longer in Christ is still saved?

I'm a Universalist.
I believe everyone will be saved eventually. (each in turn)

1 Corinthians 3:15 NIV
If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—
even though only as one escaping through the flames.

 

[JLB]

I'm a Universalist.
I believe everyone will be saved eventually. (each in turn)

1 Corinthians 3:15 NIV
If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—
even though only as one escaping through the flames.

Could you please answer my question with a definitive yes or no?



Do you believe a person who is in Christ, then is no longer in Christ, is still saved?

 

[St. SteVen]

Do you believe a person who is in Christ, then is no longer in Christ, is still saved?

The question is all wrong.
How can a person who is in Christ become no longer in Christ? That is impossible.
They have crossed over from death to life.
One who is in Christ has been transformed. Born from above. They are a new person.
The old is gone, the new has come. They are a new creation in Christ.
You can't turn that off by an act of your human will.

Furthermore, what does it mean to be saved?
The atonement paid the death penalty for all of humankind.
In that sense, everyone will be saved eventually.
And that's not a salvation that anyone can lose.
Can the atonement be nullified by the will of a human? (nope)

 

[JLB]

How can a person who is in Christ become no longer in Christ?

Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;
John 15:2


Fruitless “branches” that are in Christ are removed from Christ.


Jesus plainly stated that we must remain “in Him”.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6

 

[St. SteVen]

Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;
John 15:2


Fruitless “branches” that are in Christ are removed from Christ.


Jesus plainly stated that we must remain “in Him”.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6

LOL
You are like a broken record.

1 Corinthians 3:15 NIV
If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—
even though only as one escaping through the flames.

 

[JLB]

LOL
You are like a broken record.

1 Corinthians 3:15 NIV
If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—
even though only as one escaping through the flames.

So you believe Paul is contradicting Jesus?

Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;
John 15:2


Fruitless “branches” that are in Christ are removed from Christ.


Do you believe people who are removed from Christ are still saved?