When Might Satan With His Angels Come to This Earth For the Tribulation?

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The 1st thing to understand, is that the Revelation 12:7 war in Heaven between Archangel Michael and his angels against Satan and his angels, did NOT... happen back in history. It is an event still future to us today. We only need to read that prophecy as written to know this...

Rev 12:7-17
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon;
and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

That idea that Satan and his angel's place will no more be found in the heavenly dimension once that heavenly war happens, is an eye opener showing many doctrines of men about this are simply junk, and made up.

There are only TWO different dimensions of existence written of in all of God's Word, the Heavenly dimension where God and the angels dwell, including where Satan and his angel's place is, and then this earthly dimension in which we live in. The sky atmosphere around the earth, which some confuse because God's Word also refers to it as a heaven, is actually part of our earthly material dimension.

When that Revelation 12:7-8 Scripture says no more place 'in heaven' will be found for Satan and his angels after that war in heaven, it means exactly that. During this present world time Satan is allowed to roam up and down, and in the earth, like he answered God in the Book of Job when God asked him what he'd been up to. And Apostle Peter in 1 Peter 5:8 warned us that Satan still roams about today like a lion, seeking whom he may devour.

But after this war in Heaven, Satan will no longer be allowed to approach God's Throne and accuse us before God. He simply won't be allowed there in Heaven. That means only one other... place he can come, and that is here, on earth, in our earthly dimension, and in plain sight. That is something the world is not prepared for, including most brethren in today's Church.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

That especially is about the persecution during the coming tribulation by Satan and his of Christ's very elect who are to give a TESTIMONY against the beast at the end of this world. Some of us will be delivered up to give that TESTIMONY by The Holy Spirit like Jesus forewarned in Mark 13. We will overcome Satan and his host on earth by The Blood of The Lamb, Jesus Christ, not loving our lives even to the death, if it comes to that.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


That "short time" the devil knows he has is about the latter day "great tribulation" at the end of this present world. Satan will be given to reign over all nations on earth for a period of 42 months, per the Revelation 13:4-8 Scripture.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for
a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

This symbolic "woman" represents BOTH 'houses' of Israel, the "house of Judah" (Jews), and the "house of Israel" (ten lost tribes of Israel). Don't be concerned with those who go against that, because they don't study their Old Testament histories, which the subject about the two separate 'houses' of Israel is written all throughout The Old Testament Scriptures, and even in some places in The New Testament that quotes The Old Testament, like in Hebrews 8 and Hebrews 10.

That "a time, and times, and half a time" is equal to the 1260 days at the end, per the Book of Daniel, and per God's two witnesses that are to appear in Jerusalem at the end, per Revelation 11. It is equivalent to the 42 months reign by Satan and his host at the end.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.


That's a metaphor used by our Lord Jesus Christ. That shows we are to grasp a deeper meaning behind the giving of that, which is how all metaphors, allegories, and parables work.

Why did Lord Jesus use the time of the flood in Noah's day as symbolic for all this working by that old serpent the devil? It is because like Jesus said in Matthew 24, that He shortened the time of the coming tribulation at the end of this world, for His elect's sake. The original prophecy says it will last 1260 days, or 42 months. Jesus changed that. What to?

If you go back into Genesis and look at the actual amount of time that the ark of Noah was upon the 'height' of flood waters, you will notice it was a total of 150 days. Per the old Hebrew calendar of 30 days a month, that 150 days equals a period of "five months". And "five months" is how long the symbolic 'stinging' by the locusts in Revelation 9 is to last upon the deceived. Truly, Lord Jesus has told us all things. We just have to pay attention. Jesus used here the flood waters of Noah's day to represent the LIES to cause deception out of the serpent's mouth, which is a type of attack upon God's people at the end. The time that Noah's ark was upon the 'height' of flood waters represents that 1260 days shortened to "five months."

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

Beware of the Pre-tribbers who reject the above being about Christ's Church also. They reject it because of the lie they are taught by charlatans that they will be raptured prior to these tribulation events at the end. Jesus showed His coming to gather His saints will be after... the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27).

Thus the main idea in this latter section of Revelation 12 after the war in Heaven, is that Satan is coming to OUR world, in plain sight, with his angels. Those of us alive then will see him on earth. Even per God's parable in Ezekiel 28, Satan's future destruction will happen ON EARTH. Those who try to convince brethren that Satan was bound at Jesus' cross omit many of these prophecies about the very end, so you will be in danger if you heed those doctrines of men. Stay in God's Word. Check everything out in God's written Word.

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When did Lord Jesus show Satan-The Antichrist, will come to our world in plain sight after the Revelation 12:7 war in Heaven?

John 12:1-2
12 Then Jesus
six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom He raised from the dead.

2 There they made Him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with Him.
KJV


The timing is 6 days prior to Passover.

(Yal remember what happened with the Passover God gave to the children of Israel while in Egypt, right? The Passover lamb was to be sacrificed and its blood spread upon the door post so the death angel would pass over the children of Israel.)

John 12:12-15
12
On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet Him, and cried, "Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord."
14 And Jesus, when He had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,
15 'Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.'
KJV


Now we are 5... days before the Passover. (Five in Biblical numerics represents Grace).

And Lord Jesus is getting close to being delivered up to be crucified.

John 12:27-33
27 "Now is My soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save Me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
28 Father, glorify Thy name." Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, "I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again."
29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to Him.
30 Jesus answered and said, "This voice came not because of Me, but for your sakes."


The Father was glorified by Lord Jesus Christ's 1st coming to die on the cross to offer redemption of the sins of those who would believe. He will be glorified once more at Lord Jesus Christ's future 2nd coming with a sword that cuts both ways in order to literally rule over all nations. God's Word only shows those 2 advents of our Lord Jesus Christ.

31 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto Me."
33 This He said, signifying what death He should die.
KJV


Some Churches make the mistake of wrongly interpreting that above 31st verse as having been fulfilled at the cross. So let me ask you. Has Lord Jesus Christ come already today and Judged this world? Of course He has not yet done that, for the wicked today in this world are still very, very active, and those in Christ sigh waiting on Lord Jesus' coming to execute His Judgment upon them.

The above 31st verse is about how Christ's death on the cross caused by Satan sealed Satan's future destruction, and the coming Judgment by Christ upon this world at His future coming. That also, places the time when Satan, that "prince of this world", being cast out of the heavenly towards the end of this world, just prior to Christ's future return.

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you:
for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV

Hereafter what? After Jesus was delivered up to be crucified. Jesus visited His disciples for 40 days after His resurrection, then ascended to Heaven to sit on the right hand of The Father's Throne, which is where Jesus is today, still expecting. That's the Hereafter timing He was referring to, even to this day.

Because... the devil, the prince of this world, is coming.

And that means into OUR earthly dimension as the Revelation 12:7-17 Scripture does reveal about the end of this world. That casting out has NOT happened yet today, but it is soon. And the timing when Lord Jesus gave all this in John 12? FIVE days before the Passover feast.

Can that possibly mean to expect Satan's coming as The Antichrist-falseMessiah 5 days prior to Passover, which Passover occurs in the early spring of the year? I believe so. We still do not know which year, but 5 days prior to Passover is a good sign to be watching.
 
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The 1st thing to understand, is that the Revelation 12:7 war in Heaven between Archangel Michael and his angels against Satan and his angels, did NOT... happen back in history. It is an event still future to us today. We only need to read that prophecy as written to know this...

Rev 12:7-17
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon;
and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

That idea that Satan and his angel's place will no more be found in the heavenly dimension once that heavenly war happens, is an eye opener showing many doctrines of men about this are simply junk, and made up.

There are only TWO different dimensions of existence written of in all of God's Word, the Heavenly dimension where God and the angels dwell, including where Satan and his angel's place is, and then this earthly dimension in which we live in. The sky atmosphere around the earth, which some confuse because God's Word also refers to it as a heaven, is actually part of our earthly material dimension.

When that Revelation 12:7-8 Scripture says no more place 'in heaven' will be found for Satan and his angels after that war in heaven, it means exactly that. During this present world time Satan is allowed to roam up and down, and in the earth, like he answered God in the Book of Job when God asked him what he'd been up to. And Apostle Peter in 1 Peter 5:8 warned us that Satan still roams about today like a lion, seeking whom he may devour.

But after this war in Heaven, Satan will no longer be allowed to approach God's Throne and accuse us before God. He simply won't be allowed there in Heaven. That means only one other... place he can come, and that is here, on earth, in our earthly dimension, and in plain sight. That is something the world is not prepared for, including most brethren in today's Church.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

That especially is about the persecution during the coming tribulation by Satan and his of Christ's very elect who are to give a TESTIMONY against the beast at the end of this world. Some of us will be delivered up to give that TESTIMONY by The Holy Spirit like Jesus forewarned in Mark 13. We will overcome Satan and his host on earth by The Blood of The Lamb, Jesus Christ, not loving our lives even to the death, if it comes to that.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

That "short time" the devil knows he has is about the latter day "great tribulation" at the end of this present world. Satan will be given to reign over all nations on earth for a period of 42 months, per the Revelation 13:4-8 Scripture.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for
a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

This symbolic "woman" represents BOTH 'houses' of Israel, the "house of Judah" (Jews), and the "house of Israel" (ten lost tribes of Israel). Don't be concerned with those who go against that, because they don't study their Old Testament histories, which the subject about the two separate 'houses' of Israel is written all throughout The Old Testament Scriptures, and even in some places in The New Testament that quotes The Old Testament, like in Hebrews 8 and Hebrews 10.

That "a time, and times, and half a time" is equal to the 1260 days at the end, per the Book of Daniel, and per God's two witnesses that are to appear in Jerusalem at the end, per Revelation 11. It is equivalent to the 42 months reign by Satan and his host at the end.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.


That's a metaphor used by our Lord Jesus Christ. That shows we are to grasp a deeper meaning behind the giving of that, which is how all metaphors, allegories, and parables work.

Why did Lord Jesus use the time of the flood in Noah's day as symbolic for all this working by that old serpent the devil? It is because like Jesus said in Matthew 24, that He shortened the time of the coming tribulation at the end of this world, for His elect's sake. The original prophecy says it will last 1260 days, or 42 months. Jesus changed that. What to?

If you go back into Genesis and look at the actual amount of time that the ark of Noah was upon the 'height' of flood waters, you will notice it was a total of 150 days. Per the old Hebrew calendar of 30 days a month, that 150 days equals a period of "five months". And "five months" is how long the symbolic 'stinging' by the locusts in Revelation 9 is to last upon the deceived. Truly, Lord Jesus has told us all things. We just have to pay attention. Jesus used here the flood waters of Noah's day to represent the LIES to cause deception out of the serpent's mouth, which is a type of attack upon God's people at the end. The time that Noah's ark was upon the 'height' of flood waters represents that 1260 days shortened to "five months."

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

Beware of the Pre-tribbers who reject the above being about Christ's Church also. They reject it because of the lie they are taught by charlatans that they will be raptured prior to these tribulation events at the end. Jesus showed His coming to gather His saints will be after... the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27).

Thus the main idea in this latter section of Revelation 12 after the war in Heaven, is that Satan is coming to OUR world, in plain sight, with his angels. Those of us alive then will see him on earth. Even per God's parable in Ezekiel 28, Satan's future destruction will happen ON EARTH. Those who try to convince brethren that Satan was bound at Jesus' cross omit many of these prophecies about the very end, so you will be in danger if you heed those doctrines of men. Stay in God's Word. Check everything out in God's written Word.

Continued...
You are reading too much into it--complicating things. Answer this simple question and you will know when it all began:

When did tribulations begin to occur in this world?
 

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31 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
This is a good indication of what is actually true of the timing of these events.

In other words, the passage says "now" (shall the prince of this world be cast out) and you are saying that it is "future." But the passage also says "now is the judgment of this world."

When do people say the Judgement is--when do you say it is?

So, is one to believe that Jesus misspoke regarding the timing of the Judgement (also)--because you say "now" means "future?"
 
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There are only TWO different dimensions of existence written of in all of God's Word, the Heavenly dimension where God and the angels dwell, including where Satan and his angel's place is, and then this earthly dimension in which we live in. The sky atmosphere around the earth, which some confuse because God's Word also refers to it as a heaven, is actually part of our earthly material dimension.
Hi Davy,

The Third heaven where the angels and God dwell.

The Universal heavens where are the planets and where Satan was cast out to. When he gets further cast out he and his fallen angels will be limited to the earth (middle of trib,) till finally the pit and Lake of fire.

The atmospheric heavens where planes and birds fly.
 

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There are only TWO different dimensions of existence written of in all of God's Word, the Heavenly dimension where God and the angels dwell, including where Satan and his angel's place is, and then this earthly dimension in which we live in. The sky atmosphere around the earth, which some confuse because God's Word also refers to it as a heaven, is actually part of our earthly material dimension.
Hey--this is good--kudos!

I am sure there is more, but most of humanity has been mistaken about many things...and it only gets revealed in God's timing. Meanwhile, all throughout history much of what seemed to be right and true has proven to be false...and it is easy to get caught up in what was considered true even if it wasn't.
 
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The 1st thing to understand, is that the Revelation 12:7 war in Heaven between Archangel Michael and his angels against Satan and his angels, did NOT... happen back in history. It is an event still future to us today.
Correct. The war in heaven of Revelation 12:7-9 is referring to a war in the (implied second) heaven.
 
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Satan when he is cast down to earth from the second heaven (the universe), will indwell the abomination of desolation statue image of the beast king. Making it appear to come alive and speak, and be worshiped.

Being cast down to earth is also a prophecy made against Satan in Ezekiel 28:16-19. And indwelling the statue image will also be a part of the prophecies in those verses of Ezekiel 16-19, which Satan is going to be exposed to the kings of the earth.



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Hi Davy,

The Third heaven where the angels and God dwell.

The Universal heavens where are the planets and where Satan was cast out to. When he gets further cast out he and his fallen angels will be limited to the earth (middle of trib,) till finally the pit and Lake of fire.

The atmospheric heavens where planes and birds fly.

That's not what The Bible actually teaches, nor what reality shows.

The below "Heaven" is about the sky atmosphere around the earth; it is part of this earthly material dimension because it is made up of water vapor, which are material matter.

Gen 1:7-9
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
KJV



But this below "heaven" where God's abode is, is in a different dimension than our earthly dimension of material matter. That other Heaven where God dwells is made up of Spirit, not material matter. So it is not the sky.

Luke 11:2
2 And He said unto them, "When ye pray, say, Our Father Which art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth."
KJV


The 3rd Heaven that Apostle Paul said he was caught up to was to the future, to the 3rd heavenly age, i.e., God's future New Heavens and a New Earth time. Many brethren are willingly ignorant (Peter says) that there was a previous world earth age before Lucifer rebelled, and God destroyed that 1st earth age by a flood (not Noah's day, this was long before Adam and Eve even.) See 2 Peter 3.

If there was a literal 3rd heaven layer or plane as those of eastern religions like to claim, then God's Word would have many examples of it, but The Bible does not.

Even the location of Satan's bottomless pit, or hell, is in that Heavenly dimension of Spirit. Some wrongly believe it is inside the earth, which would mean in our 'earthly' dimension, but that's just a primitive tradition by those who don't understand the dimension of Spirit.

It's kind of obvious to the studied Bible student once they cover all The Bible, that ideas associating the heavenly with the sky atmosphere was done because people at the time were not able to grasp the two separate and different dimensions of this material world and the heavenly world of Spirit. This is even shown by Nicodemus having a difficult time grasping what Lord Jesus was teaching about the idea of Spirit in John 3.
 

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The Great Tribulation? God only knows.

I think we're in one of the Tribulations now.

When Jesus returns is what He said God only knows. He wasn't talking about when the great tribulation will happen, because He gave us SIGNS to be watching to know when the "great tribulation" will come. Thus anyone trying to cast the timing of the "great tribulation" which Jesus spoke of into another timeframe, like past history, simply show their Biblical ignorance.
 

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When Might Satan With His Angels Come to This Earth For the Tribulation?
Somewhere between 66-70 AD is my guess. It is unthinkable to believe that Satan with his angels is still in heaven.
 
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Correct. The war in heaven of Revelation 12:7-9 is referring to a war in the (implied second) heaven.

Well, it definitely don't mean the heaven around the earth which is our sky. And there's only two actual heavens, our sky around the earth made up of water vapor, and the heavenly dimension of Spirit where God and the angels dwell. That's not a 2nd heaven, it is the only... heaven made up of Spirit there is. Apostle Paul was referring to the 3rd heavenly age, not a whole other layer heaven.

1. heaven = sky atmosphere around the earth. Part of our earthly dimension of material matter. Same with celestial bodies like the stars, planets, galaxies, etc., all part of the earthly dimension of material matter.

2. Heaven = heavenly dimension made up of SPIRIT, which is NOT material matter. God's Abode and the angels, and where Satan's pit of hell is. INVISIBLE. GOD Himself is a Spirit, Apostle John said (John 4). Likewise, the angels have no flesh bodies either. But God and the angels do have the image of 'man', which originates from God's Own Image Likeness (Gen.1).
 

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Correct. The war in heaven of Revelation 12:7-9 is referring to a war in the (implied second) heaven.
Nonsense. It talks about Satan being cast out from where he accused believers before God and that was the third heaven, not the second heaven. God dwells in the third heaven.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

He was cast out from the third heaven long ago and can no longer accuse believers before God in the third heaven.

Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.
 

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Well, it definitely don't mean the heaven around the earth which is our sky. And there's only two actual heavens
Wrong. Paul indicated that there are three heavens, with the third heaven also being known as paradise.

2 Corinthians 12:2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. 3 And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— 4 was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell.
 

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Nonsense. It talks about Satan being cast out from where he accused believers before God and that was the third heaven, not the second heaven. God dwells in the third heaven.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

He was cast out from the third heaven long ago and can no longer accuse believers before God in the third heaven.
No, Revelation 12:7-9 is referring to the second heaven - the universe.

Satan was cast out of the third heaven when he first rebelled against God. But God on occasion summoned Satan to appear before Him.

Job 1:
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Then Satan began of accuse Job.
 

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Satan when he is cast down to earth from the second heaven (the universe), will indwell the abomination of desolation statue image of the beast king. Making it appear to come alive and speak, and be worshiped.

Being cast down to earth is also a prophecy made against Satan in Ezekiel 28:16-19. And indwelling the statue image will also be a part of the prophecies in those verses of Ezekiel 16-19, which Satan is going to be exposed to the kings of the earth.

The 'universe' is made up of material matter; it is part of our 'earthly' dimension. It is not Heaven, nor a 2nd Heaven. I find some folks misinterpret Apostle Paul's "celestial" in 1 Corinthians 15:40 when he was simply speaking of the bodies of the planets, stars, galaxies, etc., which are all part of this earthly dimension of material matter. Even the ether of outer space contains small particles of material matter.

Two dimensions of existence written of in God's Word. One involves material matter, the other one is made up of SPIRIT and does not contain material matter. This is something we were supposed to recognize early in Genesis 2 & 3. At Genesis 2 with God's River and the Tree of Life manifested on earth, that reveals His Heavenly Abode of Spirit once dwelt upon this earth, the two dimensions of earthly matter and Spirit dwelling together in the same time and space.

Those of that dimension of Spirit are not ghosts. That other dimension of Spirit is simply invisible to our naked eye. It's because GOD set this boundary for His Purpose, for this 2nd world earth age, particularly after the sin of Adam and Eve (See Genesis 3). When He setup flaming cheribums to guard the way to the Tree of Life, that is when God moved His Heavenly dimension of Spirit off this earth (Gen.3:24). Per Revelation 21 His Heavenly dimension of Spirit is prophesied to return to this earth, with His River of the Waters of Life, and His Tree of Life.

And as Hebrews 11:3 reveals that earthly material matter did not create itself, pointing to it having been created by GOD Who is a Spirit, that means the dimension of Spirit created this material universe we see. God laid the foundation of this material universe we live in from... that other dimension of Spirit. Thus it is error to try and assign fleshy material things to that Heavenly dimension where God and the angels dwell, including Satan and his.

The Revelation 12:8 verse verifies that Satan and his angels are in that Heavenly dimension of Spirit when they are cast down to this earth in 'our' earthly dimension in our near future. When they get here, they will be visible, right here on earth in our dimension. That is the truth of what the majority are not prepared for, which Satan's children here on earth try to hide.
 

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The 'universe' is made up of material matter; it is part of our 'earthly' dimension. It is not Heaven, nor a 2nd Heaven.
Davy, Paul spoke of what called "the third heaven". The third heaven is where God's throne is.

Speaking about himself, Paul said in 2Corinthians12:2...

2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; )

4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
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The three levels of heaven...

first heaven - the earth's atmosphere
second heaven - the universes, where all the stars are
third heaven - beyond the universe, and is where God's throne is and Jesus now is.

Further validation of those three levels is in Revelation 6, the sixth seal event. When the heaven (the universe) part and the stars appear to fall to the earth (actually, as they disappear on the horizon), and the inhabitants of the earth will be able see the third heaven, where Jesus is and the throne of God.

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
 

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No, Revelation 12:7-9 is referring to the second heaven - the universe.
Wrong. It refers to the place where Satan accused believers before God, which is the third heaven. God dwells in the third heaven, not the second heaven. I already told you this and you naturally didn't bother to address it. Your view requires that Satan was accusing believers before God in the second heaven before being cast out, but that can't possibly be correct since God dwells in the third heaven.

Satan was cast out of the third heaven when he first rebelled against God. But God on occasion summoned Satan to appear before Him.
Right, so that shows that he was not cast out of the third heaven permanently at that time. He was able to go there sometimes to accuse believers before God, but once he was cast out of the third heaven, as Revelation 12:7-9 records, then he was no longer able to accuse believers before God in the third heaven where God dwells anymore. God's throne is in the third heaven, in other words, as you have said yourself.
 

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Wrong. It refers to the place where Satan accused believers before God, which is the third heaven. God dwells in the third heaven, not the second heaven. I already told you this and you naturally didn't bother to address it. Your view requires that Satan was accusing believers before God in the second heaven before being cast out, but that can't possibly be correct since God dwells in the third heaven.


Right, so that shows that he was not cast out of the third heaven permanently at that time. He was able to go there sometimes to accuse believers before God, but once he was cast out of the third heaven, as Revelation 12:7-9 records, then he was no longer able to accuse believers before God in the third heaven where God dwells anymore. God's throne is in the third heaven, in other words, as you have said yourself.
Satan does not actually have to be in the third heaven to accuse people. God hears his accusations no matter where he is. Just as God hears you when you speak to Him.