IF THERE IS JUST ONE CHURCH THEN WHO GETS HEAVEN?

[Doug]

You said IF there be only one true church then the teachings of JESUS and the twelve apostels
and Paul are all for us .
THEY ARE . EVERY LOVELY WORD of THE LORD IS TRUTH .

I will ask again one at a time
[Luke 12:33 KJV] "Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth."..........Jesus said to sell all. Does this apply to you?

 

[amigo de christo]

ok honestly i have had enough your pushing strange fire. what you keep trying to get me and others to buy.is not Bible . early on we had a good discussion going ..but not any more . might i add i have NO idea what your saying paul is not us. gezz .your grasping at straws

If a couple of the sons of Aaron were destroyed by FIRE for playing with strange fire
OF HOW much worse a punishement for those who Push strange fire against CHRIST and HIS doctrine .
For if under the law a man could be put to death by two or three witneness
HOW MUCH WORSE , SORER a punishment for those WHO TROD under FOOT the SON of man .
People better stop trying to behave as though we got us two different gospels .
NO SIR . THERE BE ONLY ONE GOSPEL , THE SAME FOR A JEW AS FOR A GENTILE
and they who beleive NOT that gospel will BE DENIED . I do worry very very much for this generation .
For many have no idea the wrath they heap and are heaing up unto themselves ON the GREAT and MIGHTY DAY
of THE LORD . SO ,
So seeing i desire not their death but rather good for them . ITS time to warn this people
and to get them back to the scriptures and away from wayward men gone wrong .

 

[amigo de christo]

I will ask again one at a time
[Luke 12:33 KJV] "Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth."..........Jesus said to sell all. Does this apply to you?

It does . SO STOP twisting it .
My income is quite low my friend . but if we have more than we need
WE ought to share with t hose who lack and are in need .
Lydia had a house , as did ot hers , who used them to house the traveling saints ..
BUT if one has excess , OH YES its not meant for heaping and a steeping
its meant only for to help those in need .
YOU twisting JESUS words in order to make it seem LIKE we are NOT TO KEEP HIS SAYINGS .
LEARN to rightly divide my friend .

 

[Doug]

ok honestly i have had enough your pushing strange fire. what you keep trying to get me and others to buy.is not Bible . early on we had a good discussion going ..but not any more . might i add i have NO idea what your saying paul is not us. gezz .your grasping at straws

Let me ask this of you as well

[Matthew 6:14 KJV] "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:"
[Matthew 6:15 KJV] "But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."........do you have to forgive to be forgiven?..............Jesus said to be forgiven you have to forgive

[Colossians 2:13 KJV] "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;"..............Paul said you have all forgiveness

How do you reconcile this if we are to observe all that Christ commanded the twelve to teach. The twelve would have to teach we need to forgive to be forgiven. Paul teaches we have all forgiveness.

 

[amigo de christo]

Let me ask this of you as well

[Matthew 6:14 KJV] "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:"
[Matthew 6:15 KJV] "But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."........do you have to forgive to be forgiven?..............Jesus said to be forgiven you have to forgive

[Colossians 2:13 KJV] "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;"..............Paul said you have all forgiveness

How do you reconcile this if we are to observe all that Christ commanded the twelve to teach. The twelve would have to teach we need to forgive to be forgiven. Paul teaches we have all forgiveness.

man you pump strange fire indeed .
HELLO the same paul also said IF WE AGREE NOT to wholesome words , EVEN THE WORDS OF OUR LORD .
LEARN to read the bible for you . AS IF paul
was meaning we DO NOT NEED to forgive others as JESUS had said .
You are spouting and g rasping at the wind now my friend .

 

[Doug]

It does . SO STOP twisting it .
My income is quite low my friend . but if we have more than we need
WE ought to share with t hose who lack and are in need .

I am not saying you have to give or sell anything.
I am making a point
You are saying we have to observe all that Jesus and the twelve and Paul teach and that can cause some problems.
I am not being antagonistic but you are saying we only have to give what we can...........Jesus didnt say this, In fact look at this verse where the poor widow gave all she had...........[Mark 12:42 KJV] "And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing."
[Mark 12:43 KJV] "And he called [unto him] his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:"
[Mark 12:44 KJV] "For all [they] did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, [even] all her living.".................You are right about not having to sell/give all BUT where is this found? In Paul...................[2 Corinthians 8:12 KJV] "For if there be first a willing mind, [it is] accepted according to that a man hath, [and] not according to that he hath not."
[2 Corinthians 8:13 KJV] "For [I mean] not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:"..................the point is you cant always follow Jesus and the apostles and Paul at the same time

 

[Doug]

was meaning we DO NOT NEED to forgive others as JESUS had said

Afraid not look at what Paul says............[Ephesians 4:32 KJV] "And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."......we forgive because Christ forgave us
Jesus said to be forgiven we must forgive, Not the same thing

 

[amigo de christo]

I am not saying you have to give or sell anything.
I am making a point
You are saying we have to observe all that Jesus and the twelve and Paul teach and that can cause some problems.
I am not being antagonistic but you are saying we only have to give what we can...........Jesus didnt say this, In fact look at this verse where the poor widow gave all she had...........[Mark 12:42 KJV] "And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing."
[Mark 12:43 KJV] "And he called [unto him] his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:"
[Mark 12:44 KJV] "For all [they] did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, [even] all her living.".................You are right about not having to sell/give all BUT where is this found? In Paul...................[2 Corinthians 8:12 KJV] "For if there be first a willing mind, [it is] accepted according to that a man hath, [and] not according to that he hath not."
[2 Corinthians 8:13 KJV] "For [I mean] not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:"..................the point is you cant always follow Jesus and the apostles and Paul at the same time

no your twisting it because you have not learned to righty divide it .
You are trying to act like WE DO NOT have to do what JESUS said
LEARN to read for you .
PETER even stayed in the houses of saints who beleived .
HE didnt say HEY man JESUS said to sell that house .
HE KNEW how to r ightly divide man .
THOSE who had HOUSES , plural , lands plural , sold them .
AND YES if one is led to sell eve his own house , THEN DO IT .
but you cannot act like one is in disobediance to JESUS or that HIS words do not apply to us all .
I mean one can take any thin g of text and recreate a lie in its place .
SO read all that paul wrote . HE Too preached FORGIVE , yet you used another line of his
TO SOMEHOW imply HE DIDNT . You are messed up my friend .
So just return to scripture reading for you . THE MORE you read it fore you
I am telling you the more it will start coming together .
BUT so long as you read through the lens of your mens doctrine , YOU never gonna see it my friend .
SO just go ahead and start over in the bible and ENJOY reading it fore yourself . Watch
what can occur in time . just do it man .

 

[amigo de christo]

Afraid not look at what Paul says............[Ephesians 4:32 KJV] "And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."......we forgive because Christ forgave us
Jesus said to be forgiven we must forgive, Not the same thing

wrong again . You pit scrip a gainst scrip and cannot see you are doing this .

 

[Doug]

no your twisting it because you have not learned to righty divide it .
You are trying to act like WE DO NOT have to do what JESUS said

A couple things about me saying not to follow Jesus
I am saying we have to determine what Jesus taught applies directly to us as well. We can learn from all scripture but we arent to obey what Jesus commanded Israel and the disciples.
Whatever Jesus commanded or taught can be applie to us if it doesnt contradict Paul. Jesus gave us his teachings/instructions/commands by Paul.

 

[Doug]

wrong again . You pit scrip a gainst scrip and cannot see you are doing this .

[Matthew 24:14 KJV] "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."...........are you preaching the gospel of the kingdom? Are you preaching the prophetic kingdom on earth is at hand?

 

[saved by grace 101]

[Matthew 28:20 KJV] "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."............the twelve were to teach the nations to observe ALL things he commanded them.

Carry each others burdens(love them) and so FULFILL the law of Christ Gal6:2
Seems Paul was telliing gentiles to fulfill the law of Christ, was he wrong?

 

[Marvelloustime]

It does . SO STOP twisting it .
My income is quite low my friend . but if we have more than we need
WE ought to share with t hose who lack and are in need .
Lydia had a house , as did ot hers , who used them to house the traveling saints ..
BUT if one has excess , OH YES its not meant for heaping and a steeping
its meant only for to help those in need .
YOU twisting JESUS words in order to make it seem LIKE we are NOT TO KEEP HIS SAYINGS .
LEARN to rightly divide my friend .

@amigo de christo

 

[Doug]

Carry each others burdens(love them) and so FULFILL the law of Christ Gal6:2
Seems Paul was telliing gentiles to fulfill the law of Christ, was he wrong?

Sorry I dont understand

 

[Doug]

ok honestly i have had enough your pushing strange fire. what you keep trying to get me and others to buy.is not Bible . early on we had a good discussion going ..but not any more . might i add i have NO idea what your saying paul is not us. gezz .your grasping at straws

Most of the four gospels were Christ teaching Israel and the disciples to be prepared for the coming millennial kingdom and do not apply to us because only Israel would reign with Christ in the kingdom. ...............[Revelation 20:6 KJV] "Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."...............Only Israel was told they would be a kingdom of priests............[Exodus 19:6 KJV] "And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."

The kingdom tat Christ taught about was the millennial kingdom and those teachings cant apply to us.

 

[bdavidc]

This will examine the assertion that there is only one church.

The Bible does not teach two churches with two destinies. It teaches one redeemed people under one Head. Paul does not hesitate or qualify when he says, “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling” ~Ephesians 4:4. One body. One hope. If there are two churches with different inheritances, Paul missed the chance to say it. He did not.

Jesus did not build one church and hand Paul a different project. Scripture says of Christ, “He is the head of the body, the church” ~Colossians 1:18. That settles the issue. The church Jesus promised in Matthew 16 is the same body Paul explains later. To divide them is not rightly dividing the Word. It is tearing it apart.

Calling believers the “little flock” ~Luke 12:32 does not establish a separate church. It describes their size and condition, not a different covenant or destiny. The same men Jesus comforted as a little flock are later called the foundation of the church, with Christ Himself the chief cornerstone ~Ephesians 2:20. Scripture does not switch identities midstream.

The attempt to split heaven and earth between two redeemed groups also fails. Believers are already said to be seated “in heavenly places in Christ” ~Ephesians 2:6, yet they are also promised an inheritance in the renewed creation. Revelation does not end with saints floating in heaven while others rule earth. It ends with God dwelling with His redeemed people in a new heaven and a new earth ~Revelation 21:1–3. One people. One dwelling. One consummation.

The claim that Israel was never promised anything beyond land ignores Scripture outright. Abraham “looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God” ~Hebrews 11:10. The faithful did not set their hope on dirt alone. They desired “a better country, that is, an heavenly” ~Hebrews 11:16. Scripture itself rejects the idea of an earth-only hope.

Here is the conscience test. Are you letting Scripture define the church, or are you forcing verses into a system that needs two peoples, two hopes, and two eternal tracks to survive? God says He is gathering all things in Christ, “both which are in heaven, and which are on earth” ~Ephesians 1:10. Not through two churches, but through one Redeemer and one body.

There are not two churches. There are not two inheritances. There is one Shepherd and one flock ~John 10:16. Anything else sounds clever, but it is not what is written.

 

[amigo de christo]

[Matthew 24:14 KJV] "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."...........are you preaching the gospel of the kingdom? Are you preaching the prophetic kingdom on earth is at hand?

believe me its the only gospel i do preach .
But seeing you came in as though you a solider of the gospel .
TELL ME
What is your view on the Trump and nar realm led , WHICH really IS POPE led .
GO on now . YOU quoate the gospel all the time , BUT DO YOU REALLY BELEIVE THAT GOSPEL .
TELL ME dougie
Do you sit at the table of vance and the nar realms ABRAHAM ACCORDS FLAT OUT LIE
whic h actually was not TRUMPS , THE VATICAN BEEN SE LLING IT for longer .
SO WHOSE PREACHING AND BELIEVING THE GOSEPEL NOW DOUG .
The hyprocrisy of this generation of christendom is through the roof
For though they claim TO BELIEVE , THEY DONT TRULY BELEIVE .
However i shall allow you to speak f or yourself . SO speak and let me know
your view on t his stuff i just broug ht up .

 

[amigo de christo]

Most of the four gospels were Christ teaching Israel and the disciples to be prepared for the coming millennial kingdom and do not apply to us because only Israel would reign with Christ in the kingdom. ...............[Revelation 20:6 KJV] "Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."...............Only Israel was told they would be a kingdom of priests............[Exodus 19:6 KJV] "And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."

The kingdom tat Christ taught about was the millennial kingdom and those teachings cant apply to us.

A LIE . You done bought into my friend . WHEN i said what i did about
pauline , HOW TRUE IT WAS AND IS
PAUL had KICKED THAT WHORE PUALINE right outta the church .

 

[Ezra]

The kingdom tat Christ taught about was the millennial kingdom and those teachings cant apply to us.

you keep holding on to that.. and i will hold on to all scripture...

 

[Ezra]

There are not two churches. There are not two inheritances. There is one Shepherd and one flock ~John 10:16. Anything else sounds clever, but it is not what is written.

exactly