amigo de christo
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WE HOLD ON TO THIS . The heavens and earth shall pass away
BUT MY WORDS ENDURE FOREVER .
CLING TO THOSE WORDS . ol doug has long sold them out in favor of what men taught .
IF THERE IS JUST ONE CHURCH THEN WHO GETS HEAVEN?
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BUT MY WORDS ENDURE FOREVER .
CLING TO THOSE WORDS . ol doug has long sold them out in favor of what men taught .
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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Most of the four gospels were Christ teaching Israel and the disciples to be prepared for the coming millennial kingdom and do not apply to us------ then rip that part out of your bible --problem ssolved
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amigo de christo
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HIS words should have been what was written in the four gospels , the very words of THE TRUE
CHRIST JESUS that were recorded for us , ARE FOR us .
For every WORD OF GOD is TRUTH and CHRIST JESUS IS THE WORD O GOD become flesh
and His words are our meat . FOR EVERY WORD of GOD is meat for the sheep
and the scriptures are INSPIRED BY GOD and are PROFITABLE
for DOCTRINE , for correction , for instruction in righteousness , that the man of GOD may
be throughly furnished unto all good works .
Many pick and choose and they will find out , LEST THEY REPENT , it was unto their own destruction .
SHEEP do not pick and c hoose what to believe about JESUS and what to omit about JESUS
SHEEP beleive TRUTH and EVERY WORD OF GOD , THUS EVERY WORD OF CHRIST
IS OUR MEAT and IS TRUTH .
TO the trenches one and all .
amigo de christo
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For this cause came i into the world and for this reason was i born
TO TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH
ALL who are of THE TRUTH come to ME . and a st ranger , yoo hoo , THEY NO FOLLOW that one .
As i am sure you know that my friend . SHEEP embrace TRUTH , not lies . And every,
and i do mean EVERY , WORD O GOD is TRUTH
from page one to page last in that bible , THAT BE INSPIRED OF GOD and is our meat . Sheep love truth
for GOD has given them THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH and that SPIRIT has SHED the LOVE OF GOD upon their hearts .
TO the trenches one and to the trenches all .
LET GOD be TRUE but every man a liar . TRUST THOU IN HIS WORDS and heed none who twist such words .
For they do so unto their own destruction and the destruction of all who heed and beleived them and their twisted doctrine .
amigo de christo
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It seems to me he was . however let us not jest but be serious about things .
But i think he was doing this as jest . I think .
amigo de christo
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Oh what was given first unto the jews was later given unto the gentiles .
FOr other sheep i have which are not of this fold and them must I BRING also .
AND THEY WILL BE ONE FOLD and ONE SHEPARD .
and PAUL actually confirms that big time in his letters .
FOR HE has broken down the middle wall between us
OH YES a great and marvelous mystery of the glorious gospel of JESUS CHRIST himself .
WHO was before the world was or anything created was created .
and by HIM were all things seen or unseen created .
ONE FOLD OF GOD ALL MIGHTY
which is THE FOLD OF JESUS CHRIST
Which are all , whether jewish born or gentile born, WHO BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
Now to the trenches one and to the trenches all .
I dont see where you responded to my questions. Care to do so? Here they are again
[Matthew 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
[Matthew 28:20 KJV] "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."............the twelve were to teach the nations to observe ALL things he commanded them.
If there is one true church than the teachings of Jesus and the twelve and Paul are all for us.
[Luke 12:33 KJV] "Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth."..........Does this apply to you?
[Matthew 24:14 KJV] "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."...........are you preaching the gospel of the kingdom? Are you preaching the prophetic kingdom on earth is at hand?
[Acts 2:38 KJV] "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."...............do we need to be water baptized for forgiveness of sins?
[Matthew 6:14 KJV] "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:"
[Matthew 6:15 KJV] "But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."........do you have to forgive to be forgiven?
I didnt see a response to this either
[Matthew 6:14 KJV] "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:"
[Matthew 6:15 KJV] "But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."........do you have to forgive to be forgiven?..............Jesus said to be forgiven you have to forgive
[Colossians 2:13 KJV] "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;"..............Paul said you have all forgiveness
How do you reconcile this if we are to observe all that Christ commanded the twelve to teach. The twelve would have to teach we need to forgive to be forgiven. Paul teaches we have all forgiveness.
You are right in that there is no verse that says that.
Actually, I claim there are three churches
#1 the church in the wilderness..............[Acts 7:38 KJV] "This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:"..............this was the congregation of the people Israel given the word of God/the covenants/and instruction in worship. God made promise to them to become a kingdom/to inherit the land forever/that there would be one to sit on David's throne forever
#2 The little flock church in Jerusalem...........[Romans 15:8 KJV] "Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises [made] unto the fathers:".........Jesus came to prepare Israel to inherit the promised kingdom............
[Exodus 19:5 KJV] "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine:"
[Exodus 19:6 KJV] "And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."...........They will reign on the earth............
[Revelation 20:4 KJV] "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
[Revelation 20:5 KJV] "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection."
[Revelation 20:6 KJV] "Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
#3 The body of Christ.........The body of Christ was formed to reveal mysteries that were hidden in God until revealed to Paul.............[Colossians 1:27 KJV] "To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:"
That Christ was the head of the church and we are members of his body was a mystery hid in God and not revealed til Paul..............[Ephesians 5:32 KJV] "This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church."
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The Bible does not teach three churches. It does not even teach two. What it teaches is one redeemed people of God, and it says it over and over again. When Scripture is silent, we shut up. When Scripture speaks, we bow ~1 Corinthians 4:6.
Acts 7:38 uses the word “church” for Israel in the wilderness because the word means assembly. It does not redefine Israel as a separate salvific body with a different destiny. Stephen’s point was not dispensational charts. His point was that the same people who received the lively oracles rebelled against God, just like the leaders rejecting Christ were doing in front of him.
Jesus did not come to build a Jewish church that failed so God had to invent a Gentile one later. Scripture says Christ came “to confirm the promises made unto the fathers” ~Romans 15:8, and those promises are fulfilled in Him, not postponed, split, or reassigned ~2 Corinthians 1:20. Israel’s unbelief did not fracture God’s plan. It exposed unbelieving hearts.
Paul settles this argument without ambiguity. Christ “hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition” ~Ephesians 2:14. Not two hopes. Not two bodies. Not an earthly people and a heavenly people. One new man ~Ephesians 2:15. One body and one hope ~Ephesians 4:4. Language does not get plainer than that.
The so called “mystery” revealed to Paul was not a new church with a new destiny. The mystery was that Gentiles are “fellowheirs, and of the same body” ~Ephesians 3:6. Same body means same body. Colossians 1:27 does not say Christ in Gentiles only. It says Christ in you, the hope of glory. That is true of every believer or none at all.
Revelation does not rescue this theory either. Scripture already defines who reigns with Christ. “If ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” ~Galatians 3:29. Not heirs by ethnicity. Not heirs by era. Heirs by belonging to Christ.
Here is the uncomfortable truth. Dividing God’s people into multiple churches with multiple destinies is not biblical insight. It is a way to avoid the force of Scripture’s unity. God has one Son, one gospel, one body, and one hope. Anything else is fog, not light.
The little flock is the believing remnant of Israel who will inherit the earthly kingdom and reign with Christ.................
[Luke 12:32 KJV] "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."
[Luke 12:33 KJV] "Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth."...................If you say you are the little flock I HAVE A QUESTION PLEASE have you sold all you have?
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You are using the word mystery to dodge the plain teaching of Scripture, and that move does not hold up under the Word of God.
Ephesians 5:32 does not say the church did not exist before Paul. It says the meaning of Christ’s union with His people, pictured in marriage, was not fully revealed. A mystery in Scripture is something previously hidden, not something previously nonexistent. Paul never says Christ had no body until his ministry. That claim is being read into the text, not drawn from it.
Jesus Himself said, “I will build my church” ~Matthew 16:18. One church. His church. Then before Paul was even converted, Scripture says, “The Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved” ~Acts 2:47. You cannot be added to a body that does not exist. Either Christ was already building His church, or Scripture collapses.
Paul does not contradict Jesus. He confirms Him. He says Christ “is the head of the body, the church” ~Colossians 1:18. A head without a body is a monstrosity, not biblical theology. Christ did not wait years to become Head. Where the Head is, the body is.
And Paul defines the mystery so no one has to speculate. “That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body” ~Ephesians 3:6. Same body. Not a later body. Not a different program. Same body. If words mean anything, that ends the argument.
Here is the hard line. Scripture teaches one body, one Spirit, one hope ~Ephesians 4:4. Dividing Christ’s people into multiple churches with separate destinies is not deeper revelation. It is resisting what God has plainly said. Christ built His church. Paul preached it. And Scripture leaves no room for carving it into pieces.
[Ephesians 1:10 KJV] "That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:"..............God will gather all that is IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH which means there is a group in heaven (the body of Christ) and a group on earth (believing Israel). God will reconcile heaven and earth to himself...................[Colossians 1:20 KJV] "And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven."
He was looking for the heavenly Jerusalem come down to earth.........[Revelation 21:2 KJV] "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."
I said......Most of the four gospels were Christ teaching Israel and the disciples to be prepared for the coming millennial kingdom and do not apply to us because only Israel would reign with Christ in the kingdom. .
Some examples...............The kingdom of heaven is the prophetic promised Davidic earthly kingdom..................
[Matthew 5:3 KJV] "Blessed [are] the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
[Matthew 5:10 KJV] "Blessed [are] they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
[Matthew 5:19 KJV] "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
[Matthew 5:20 KJV] "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."
[Matthew 13:24 KJV] "Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:"
[Matthew 13:31 KJV] "Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:"
