I really don't care what you think is true, long as you keep the love of Christ in your heart.
"True" Israel?
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We know that the Church is the antitype of old testament israel when we consider a comparison of 1 Pet 2:9 as the fulfillment of Ex 19:5
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: and Deut 14:2
For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
1 Pet 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Now the greek word for peculiar in 1 Pet 2 is the word περιποίησις and means:
Now the word comes from the verb peripoieō which means:
Which word Paul uses for purchase here Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
So the Church of God is that peculiar people of God in 1 Pet 2:9 which fulfills the OT Type israel In Exodus nd Deut. For God only has One Peculiar people and that's through the Blood of Christ. 7
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: and Deut 14:2
For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
1 Pet 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Now the greek word for peculiar in 1 Pet 2 is the word περιποίησις and means:
- a preserving, a preservation
- possession, one's own property
- an obtaining
Now the word comes from the verb peripoieō which means:
- to make to remain over
- to reserve, to leave or keep safe, lay by
- to make to remain for one's self
- to preserve for one's self
- to get for one's self, purchase
Which word Paul uses for purchase here Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
So the Church of God is that peculiar people of God in 1 Pet 2:9 which fulfills the OT Type israel In Exodus nd Deut. For God only has One Peculiar people and that's through the Blood of Christ. 7
No thats right. And the Body of Christ existed in the OT times as the remnant among national israel. The remnant according to the election of grace in Rom 11:5-7 is the body of Christ. Moses was part of the body of Christ, thats why it reads Heb 11:24-26
24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
amigo de christo
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This has become the mantra of this generation . And beleive me it will work to its own destruction .
For what one believes DOES MATTER to GOD
and if what one beleives contradicts THE TRUTH OF GOD
then beleive me ITS NOT COMING OF HIS LOVE .
the devil knows how to quoate GOD is love and use a love in order to recreate another image of GOD
to lead this people to the day of their own destruction .
AND to rage war against the few saints WHO HAD THE TRUE agape love OF GOD upon their hearts
and thus rejected THIS LOVE of the world that came in claoked as though it were the love of GOD .
BIBLE up randy kluth . Cause any love that rejoices in inquity
and NOT IN TRUTH , IS NOT OF GOD .
SO let us remember that well when we see rainbows and other sins being accepted and even called good.
LET us remember this when we see korans kissed and budda s tatues kissed
as they holler GOD is love and have accepted all religoins as paths to GOD . ITS ALL A LIE .
ONE that more and more seem to LOVE .
ONLY JESUS , the DIRE NEED to beleive on HIM , IS FLAT OUT DENIED by their love .
And they make HIM into the minstir of sin by their love.
WE stand and must stand in this last hour faithful unto GOD unto HIS CHRIST and be
staying refreshed by prayer, by pure reminders of the scriptures . cause this generation has bought a lie it thinks is love e.l
amigo de christo
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correct . And unto any and unto all who reject that JESUS is the CHRIST, the SON OF GOD
they will surely and sorely wail ON HIS Day , whether they were born a jew or a gentile.
YOU , my friend , are correct e. GOD ONLY HAS ONE PEOPLE , ONE BODY , ONE CHURCH
and it is every jew and gentile WHO BELEIVETH IN CHRIST JESUS
PURCHASED BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST . HIS own peculiar peoples who stand firm on THE FAITH and t rust
in HIS EVERY WORD as TRUTH .
TO the trenches one and all .
Taken
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True ISRAEL?
Land And People and (offspring ) To Whom the Land was Given.
Broadly called “the Promised Land”.
Gen 15:
[17] And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
[18] In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
[19] The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
[20] And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
[21] And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
Present Day.. “The Promised Land” is identified BY specifics Names:
A Portion of:
Egypt
Saudi Arabia
small portion of:
Iran
Omad
UAE
Yemen
Turkey
approx 3/4 Syria
approx 1/2 Iraq
all of:
Modern Israel
West Bank Palestinian Occupied
Jordan
Lebanon
Who are ABRAM’s Descendants?
* Faithful to God, Stock (natural seed) offspring of Abraham.
* All individual (GENTILE’s) WHO “accept” the SAME SEED, Abram Accepted…
Ie. “The SEED of God, which IS Christ.”
Gal 3:
[16] Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
“IF” … “THEN”…
Gal 3:
[29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
FYI…
The Promised Land…Shall BE Christ King Jesus’ Earthly 1,000 year Operating Kingdom…
* With His holy Angel Servants…
* With His holy Servant Saints…
* With Mortal Believing men.
And…
* Without… an Earthly Presence OF:
* Unholy Satan,
* Satan’s unholy Angels,
And …
* Mortal non- believing men.
Glory to God,
Taken
Land And People and (offspring ) To Whom the Land was Given.
Broadly called “the Promised Land”.
Gen 15:
[17] And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
[18] In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
[19] The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
[20] And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
[21] And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
Present Day.. “The Promised Land” is identified BY specifics Names:
A Portion of:
Egypt
Saudi Arabia
small portion of:
Iran
Omad
UAE
Yemen
Turkey
approx 3/4 Syria
approx 1/2 Iraq
all of:
Modern Israel
West Bank Palestinian Occupied
Jordan
Lebanon
Who are ABRAM’s Descendants?
* Faithful to God, Stock (natural seed) offspring of Abraham.
* All individual (GENTILE’s) WHO “accept” the SAME SEED, Abram Accepted…
Ie. “The SEED of God, which IS Christ.”
Gal 3:
[16] Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
“IF” … “THEN”…
Gal 3:
[29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
FYI…
The Promised Land…Shall BE Christ King Jesus’ Earthly 1,000 year Operating Kingdom…
* With His holy Angel Servants…
* With His holy Servant Saints…
* With Mortal Believing men.
And…
* Without… an Earthly Presence OF:
* Unholy Satan,
* Satan’s unholy Angels,
And …
* Mortal non- believing men.
Glory to God,
Taken
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That's the point. What matters is that what we bring produces God's love. Apart from that, we're going to speculate a little and exercise some liberty as we try to discern some difficult matters--not matters of doctrinal orthodoxy.
I'm Bibled up, brother. Do you have the love of God when you say think to judge my motives?
Goes without saying. Any true Christian knows this. Hammering it upon God's children in a haughty spirit will not encourage, edify, or correct.
I do not believe humanistic love reaches the threshold of Divine acceptance.
I agree. But you've lost the context for which I made the statements you responded to. I was speaking of some speculative matters involved in Christian eschatotlogy.
We shouldn't demand "absolute truth" in these matters when God has allowed it to be a process. We have to let brothers and sisters draw their own conclusions based upon their own individual relationship with God.
To demand truth from others when you don't have it yourself is hypocritical. I don't think any of us has biblical prophecy down 100%?
Ronald Nolette
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Moses had no clue who Jesus was. Jesus was not even born nor even named!
The full concept of Israel's Messiah had not yet been formed.
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
Verily verily i say unto thee , bible time for us all my friend .
This duped down false love g eneration doesnt even know the SPIRIT of PROPHECY at all .
As the clambor over one another to run to the love of a god and his whore
that has made the path to GOD very broad and sin accepting . As korans are kissed and budda st atues
and rainbows are held high .
THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS is the SPIRIT of prophecy
but their love testifes of a big path to GOD as well as certain sins being even called good .
Remember that even a little leaven WILL LEAD TO THAT . for leaven only increases WHEN NOT CORRECTED
un der the judge not correct not card . To the trenches one and all .
Lol you dont know what you talking about. You have no clue who Jesus is. Moses wrote of Him Jn 5 46
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me
Truth without love is worthless. Better to light a candle than to burn the house down. I'm not saying I disagree with what you're saying. But if you want to reach those you wish to correct, you have to remain humble and act like it is God who saves--not you. There is a time to be a warrior. But there is also a time to be meek.
amigo de christo
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I must double down the efforts my friend . One can only do as one is LED to do . Do be encouraged .
But as i am sure you do realize
the judge not correct not card didnt bode well for the churches .
And in case you might be wondering why that is , Well when leaven is allowed
to remain uncorrected in the church , Beleive me its gonna bring more and take over in time .
And this is exactly what has occurred in all them seeker friendly churches . Till now
their love has led them into outright hatred against the very Words of GOD all mi ghty Himself .
Now if that seems a bit hard to grasp
then go into those ecumenical churches and YOU open and YOU read the bible .
SEE how long it is before YOU hear , WE DONT HATE , WE LOVE
as though THE WORDS of GOD are hate speech . THEY DO NOT like t hose words anymore .
But that is exactly what the love of a harlot does . IT Leads to not only not correcting sin
HECK it leads even to the acceptance of it .
And now LOOK , more and more are now even accepting UNBELEIF as the new love
as korans are kissed and budda s tatues and cliams that ALL religoins serve the same GOD .
I did try and warn us . I really did . For years i knew what this judge not correct not
seeker friendly would lead too . AND IT DID and IT HAS . ITS gonna only GET WORSE
lest men stand up and DO something and fast . LEAVEN is gonna take them all DOWN .
I agree, but I'm not doing that. I have no fear in casting judgment *where it is warranted.* Yes, you have to be "led." But you aren't being led when you are correcting things that do not need to be corrected, when you're taking things out of context and acting like you're dealing with the right context.
Maybe you're one of those people who never accept correction--I don't know? But I'm telling you, I was speaking to eschatological choices that we're free to discuss. I'm suggesting you deal with that properly, and not in a judgmental way.
Marvelloustime
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amigo de christo
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certain things indeed can be dealt with and even corrected through discussion over such eschatological things .
BuT SIN must be corrected asap .
And that would include EVEN those who might not be IN such a sin but SUPPORT IT . THAT TOO must be corrected .
Another false ecumenical gospel MUST be STOPPED instantly .
As far as pre , mid , post trib and etc views , THAT we can discuss and correct .
but not SIN . nor any who supports sin . which would include
the two that most folks are totally terffieed to address , FEMINSIM and HOMOSExuALITY .
dont fear it .
And another gospel , MUST be ceased the instant one brings it .
Let us remember that when we see ecumencism and its interreligious int efaith dialgoue at work .
THAT be OF ANTI CHRIST . I have NO doubt that be of anti christ .
Another scripture that speaks of the Church that applies to 1 Pet 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Its Eph 1:14 when speaking of the Church comprised of both jew and gentile believers in Ephesus
Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Now what is the purchased possession ? Why its the Church, bought with a price, as here Acts 20:28
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Now the words purchased possession in Eph 1:14 is the same word for " a peculiar people " in 1 Pet 2:9, now how so that ? Because they're the same exact people ! 7
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Its Eph 1:14 when speaking of the Church comprised of both jew and gentile believers in Ephesus
Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Now what is the purchased possession ? Why its the Church, bought with a price, as here Acts 20:28
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Now the words purchased possession in Eph 1:14 is the same word for " a peculiar people " in 1 Pet 2:9, now how so that ? Because they're the same exact people ! 7
Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
So show me the verse where MOses named the Messiah as jesus. show me teh verse where He said He would be a nazarene, would be crucified and rose from the dead for us. I will be waiting.
And I know my Savior. Your pre-pubescent insults are just demeaning you.
I agree. So, we should have no problem?
I am against what you call this "ecumenical spirit of tolerance," whether towards feminism or homosexuality. I'm actively opposed to this licentious spirit in Western societies and elsewhere.
We have to do so with a careful sense of trying to reach out to those who are deceived by this False Gospel of Tolerance. We are trying to reach them without compromising truth, right?
So, I'm not trying to put restraints on you. But while you're savagely trying to destroy their pretenses and lies, be careful that you don't tear into fellow believers who agree with you, but wish to maintain a peaceable spirit in order to reach the lost and deluded.
Mystery Israel !
Rom 11:24-26
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, there shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
This Mystery Israel is something men don't know by nature, it must be made known by God. When God declared Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation Isa 45:17
But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
What was the mystery , it was in the manner of how all Israel shall be saved, for it was the purpose of God to save His Israel by the out calling of His Elect from among both the Jews and Gentiles. . His people Israel are not all Jews and not all Gentiles, but called out from among both Rom 9:24-26
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Paul was explaining how that God was still saving all Israel by the calling of the Gentiles. National Israels Covenant Identity with God is no longer, so jews will be saved during the calling of the gentiles, the nations, since there are no more special nations set apart for God, national israel isnt no more above russia, japan, nigeria, she is now part of the ordinary nations of the world, just as gentile nations. Mystery Israel that God promised to save is none other than the Church, the Body of Christ, which is the Spiritual seed of Abraham Gal 3:29
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. The promise that Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting Salvation! 8
Rom 11:24-26
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, there shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
This Mystery Israel is something men don't know by nature, it must be made known by God. When God declared Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation Isa 45:17
But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
What was the mystery , it was in the manner of how all Israel shall be saved, for it was the purpose of God to save His Israel by the out calling of His Elect from among both the Jews and Gentiles. . His people Israel are not all Jews and not all Gentiles, but called out from among both Rom 9:24-26
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Paul was explaining how that God was still saving all Israel by the calling of the Gentiles. National Israels Covenant Identity with God is no longer, so jews will be saved during the calling of the gentiles, the nations, since there are no more special nations set apart for God, national israel isnt no more above russia, japan, nigeria, she is now part of the ordinary nations of the world, just as gentile nations. Mystery Israel that God promised to save is none other than the Church, the Body of Christ, which is the Spiritual seed of Abraham Gal 3:29
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. The promise that Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting Salvation! 8
