Chaos in Minnesota...ICE agents attacked, protester shot

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Mayor Frey and Governor Walz didn't knock a woman and a man to the ground, pepper spray an innocent man, beat him with the butt of their gun, and pull the trigger on a man who never drew his gun, was a US citizen, a nurse, with no record.

Don't even give me your Trump worship. Your worship of Trump has blinded your heart. You do not even know Jesus Christ though you claim to.

If mayor Frey and Governor Walz would have worked with ICE to pick up criminal illegals at the jail, none of this chaos would have happened.

I think you better be very careful of your false accusations about my salvation...you are treading on dangerous ground.
 

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I think you better be very careful of your false accusations about my salvation...you are treading on dangerous ground
I named no names. But if you continue to worship Trump, you are the one on dangerous grounds. I have no desire to interact with you.
 

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I named no names. But if you continue to worship Trump, you are the one on dangerous grounds. I have no desire to interact with you.

I'm not worshipping Trump.

But I do believe in law and order. The leftists and Antifa are behind these protests. The leaders get paid big bucks and the organizations paying them are Communists and Socialists.
 

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That passage of scripture is talking about governments of this world.........not the church.
Rethink that, it applies to human society and governance

Are those of the true church evil doers?
No, this is speaking to all people.
Christians can get caught up in the world, and align their minds to the things of this world, contrary to the direct commandments and guidelines in scripture. They will suffer the consequences, just like unbelievers, just that the consequences are not eternal death

Just like Jesus warnings here
There were present at that season some who told Him of the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.

2 And Jesus answering said unto them, “Suppose ye that these Galileans were sinners above all the other Galileans, because they suffered such things?

3 I tell you, nay; but unless ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

4 Or those eighteen upon whom the tower of Siloam fell and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all other men that dwelt in Jerusalem?

5 I tell you, nay; but unless ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
 

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Sen. John Hoeven urges local and federal cooperation on law enforcement
Sen. John Hoeven, R-N.D., calls on leaders to ‘deescalate’ tension following the fatal CBP-involved shooting in Minneapolis on ‘Fox Report.’

 

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Rethink that, it applies to human society and governance

Are those of the true church evil doers?
No, this is speaking to all people.
Christians can get caught up in the world, and align their minds to the things of this world, contrary to the direct commandments and guidelines in scripture. They will suffer the consequences, just like unbelievers, just that the consequences are not eternal death

Just like Jesus warnings here
There were present at that season some who told Him of the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.

2 And Jesus answering said unto them, “Suppose ye that these Galileans were sinners above all the other Galileans, because they suffered such things?

3 I tell you, nay; but unless ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

4 Or those eighteen upon whom the tower of Siloam fell and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all other men that dwelt in Jerusalem?

5 I tell you, nay; but unless ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Under the old covenant which was still in effect at that time, adverse circumstances were assumed to always be curses due to personal or familial sins. There wasn't much mercy to be had under the Law, until the new covenant. Jesus going around healing the sick and casting out demons and feeding the poor was demonstrating/manifesting His MERCY to loose/free those suffering the effects of the curse of the Law. Including enemies of Israel....Roman soldiers and tax collectors.

Well, now we have the new covenant established and the church, like Jesus, is supposed to manifest and demonstrate the mercy of the new covenant. Jesus didn't leave the church with the mandate to execute the curse of the Law. He has left that to governments of this world, which we are in the world but not OF it. The bible indicates we are to distinguish/discern and separate between the holy and the profane, not mix the two together.........mixing church and state is a mixing of holy and profane that is against the word of God. The affairs of this world, and judging them in due time, are HIS business, not ours. The church is not that kind of army.....our battles are spiritual and our weapons are not carnal but mighty in the Spirit. Our enemies aren't flesh and blood either, but are the powers and principalities that often unfortunately work through people. But the flesh is bloodthirsty and vengeful....should we heed the flesh or the Spirit? God says to avenge belongs to Him and we are to leave room for His wrath, as He sees fit. Or should we be like Catholicism and want to engage in the cruelties of "crusades" and forced conversions? What has happened to the church these days? How far has it fallen and forgotten its HOLY estate??
 

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Under the old covenant which was still in effect at that time, adverse circumstances were assumed to always be curses due to personal or familial sins. There wasn't much mercy to be had under the Law, until the new covenant. Jesus going around healing the sick and casting out demons and feeding the poor was demonstrating/manifesting His MERCY to loose/free those suffering the effects of the curse of the Law. Including enemies of Israel....Roman soldiers and tax collectors.

Well, now we have the new covenant established and the church, like Jesus, is supposed to manifest and demonstrate the mercy of the new covenant. Jesus didn't leave the church with the mandate to execute the curse of the Law. He has left that to governments of this world, which we are in the world but not OF it. The bible indicates we are to distinguish/discern and separate between the holy and the profane, not mix the two together.........mixing church and state is a mixing of holy and profane that is against the word of God. The affairs of this world, and judging them in due time, are HIS business, not ours. The church is not that kind of army.....our battles are spiritual and our weapons are not carnal but mighty in the Spirit. Our enemies aren't flesh and blood either, but are the powers and principalities that often unfortunately work through people. But the flesh is bloodthirsty and vengeful....should we heed the flesh or the Spirit? God says to avenge belongs to Him and we are to leave room for His wrath, as He sees fit. Or should we be like Catholicism and want to engage in the cruelties of "crusades" and forced conversions? What has happened to the church these days? How far has it fallen and forgotten its HOLY estate??
Yes, agree. But what of Christians, who are many, who work in governmental jobs with authority. They are charged with carrying out the laws of the United States.

Romans 13:4
For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.


Romans 13
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will [a]bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

1 Peter 2
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every [c]ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. 15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men— 16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for [d]vice, but as bondservants of God. 17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
 

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The real problem is all this is completely sanctioned by Trump's regime. We have an out-of-control paramilitary force loose on the streets and Donald couldn't care less what they do; pretty much the same situation as J6. It's not about law enforcement, we know Trump couldn't care less about law enforcement. It's all political, period.
 

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The real problem is all this is completely sanctioned by Trump's regime. We have an out-of-control paramilitary force loose on the streets and Donald couldn't care less what they do; pretty much the same situation as J6. It's not about law enforcement, we know Trump couldn't care less about law enforcement. It's all political, period.
What does the scripture say?
What does scripture continually confirm?
Whether Paul, Peter or Christ?
1 Peter 2
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every [c]ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. 15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men— 16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for [d]vice, but as bondservants of God. 17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.

Romans 13
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will [a]bring judgment on themselves.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
 

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Yes, agree. But what of Christians, who are many, who work in governmental jobs with authority. They are charged with carrying out the laws of the United States.

Romans 13:4
For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.


Romans 13
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will [a]bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

1 Peter 2
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every [c]ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. 15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men— 16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for [d]vice, but as bondservants of God. 17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
I believe Christians may "work" in government, but that is not them "ministering"...that is just them doing their jobs and earning a living, hopefully lawfully and justly. I think we know a Christian policeman for example, who shoots a fleeing dangerous criminal is not "ministering". (And don't be surprised if the Lord gets them out of that job in time.) This is where we must distinguish/discern/separate between the holy and the profane. It is the government body itself that is God's "minister" to make Laws and execute justice (as scripture says Law is for the UNrighteous) but government is not a minister of the new covenant. The church body is minister of the new covenant. And separate they need to remain.
 

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I'm not worshipping Trump.
Those with TDS often invoke this refrain because they have no policy argument so retreat to Ad Homenim. Why wouldn't we support one who represents the policies we prefer?

Democracy. 2024 election was consequential in that the will of the people who want to restore law and order are ascendant. This is what it looks like when the losers in the minority don't respect democracy. Their campaign continues after the election into lawlessness.

The Left, along with the global elite and Deep State are the threats to democracy.
They are willing to fight to the death in -21F temperatures to keep criminals on the street. So be it. Amen and Amen. If they want civil war, they got it!!!

Because their position is so evil, all they can do, rather than admit defeat, is to attack us personally. We worship Trump, they say. What kind of childish ploy is this shaming language? Oh no, I don't worship Trump. I'll prove it. I'll give up on the policy positions that won the 2024 election. No. The winning majority is not going to concede - nor should we.
 
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Saw this on another forum and thought it should be re posted:

The slow ones engaging in insurrection by interfering with official US Government business and law enforcement of law voted on by Congress in years past like ICE is doing right now in Minnesota are lighting the fuse to their own demise.

The liberals were so upset at the Jan 6 rioters because they were interfering and impeding official US Government business are now doing the same thing they were upset over concerning Jan 6

Liberals in Minnesota are doing the exact same thing the Jan 6 rioters were doing so they deserve what they get just like Ashley Babbitt who was in the wrong place at the wrong time during an unlawful protest.

Liberals are very slow people so they haven't figured this out yet so apparently a few more liberals are going to have to die before they learn the error of their ways.

When obama was president he deported over 5 million people and over 50 people died related to his deportation actions (rarely reported by the news media to protect obama's poll numbers) and during this time all the blue cities / states that were "sanctuary cities" who were engaged in helping illegal aliens evade Federal Law (which is a crime) all stood down because obama told them to stand down and not interfere with his deportation actions

So, this is the difference is that they all stood down and did not interfere with obama's deportation actions when he was president and now that Trump is enforcing Federal immigration laws just like obama did, the liberals are the problem because they stood down for obama and they are in open rebellion against the Federal Government just because they don't like Trump.

Trump SHOULD INVOKE THE INSURRECTION ACT as soon as possible and start putting the hurt on the liberals that want to go past their first amendment right to peaceably protest and cross the line in to engaging in insurrection just like the Jan 6 rioters.

Liberals oppose themselves and contradict themselves as they interfere with the enforcement of Federal Immigration laws passed and authorized by Congress. Liberals are the problem in the US and they need to be delt with as the insurrectionists that they are.
 

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Those with TDS often invoke this refrain because they have no policy argument so retreat to Ad Homenim. Why wouldn't we support one who represents the policies we prefer?

Democracy. 2024 election was consequential in that the will of the people who want to restore law and order are ascendant. This is what it looks like when the losers in the minority don't respect democracy. Their campaign continues after the election into lawlessness.

The Left, along with the global elite and Deep State are the threats to democracy. They are willing to fight to the death in -21F temperatures to keep criminals on the street. So be it. Amen and Amen. If they want civil war, they got it!!!

Because their position is so evil, all they can do, rather than admit defeat, is to attack us personally. We worship Trump, they say. What kind of childish ploy is this shaming language? Oh no, I don't worship Trump. I'll prove it. I'll give up on the policy positions that won the 2024 election. No. The winning majority is not going to concede - nor should we.
I think if someone delves so low as to claim we worship Trump because we are Conservatives who aren't aligned with the Satanic Left,they are telling us their faith is the one lacking.


If they outright claim we're not in Christ,I would hope there are rules against that personal attack.
 
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The far-left network that helped put Alex Pretti in harm's way, then made him a martyr


I just saw a video about the deputy governor being involved with some of these chats that are incriminating. They said she also deleted her Facebook.
 
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