WWJD with LGBTQ?

[St. SteVen]

They that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. - Galatians 5:24

Colby Martin agrees.
What he is saying is that those affections and lusts are not sin in and of themselves.

 

[amigo de christo]

Colby Martin agrees.
What he is saying is that those affections and lusts are not sin in and of themselves.

then he is wrong . what one should be saying is its not US SINNING when such a thought pops into our mind
LEST we continue to entertain such a thing , that is SIN . the thought itself is wrong , is lust
HOWEVER that is the flesh doing the sin , NOT US , WELL lest we entertain such a thing . IT WILL LEAD to our sin .
CRUCIFY any thought contrary TO GOD . The temptation cometh of the flesh
But those who are LED of THE SPIRIT crucify and would not fullfill the lusts of the flesh .
And yes , IF ONE does err , the response of the other beleivers is CORRECT such a one .

 

[rockytopva]

They that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. - Galatians 5:24

If we have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts what do we have left but an empty vessel? We need that vessel filled with the things of God. Especially to be filled with the Holy Ghost and of power. The walk in the Spirit is paramount.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. - Galatians 5:16-17

 

[amigo de christo]

Colby Martin agrees.
What he is saying is that those affections and lusts are not sin in and of themselves.

They are sin in and of themselves . Its just let it not lead US INTO SIN .
them thoughts ARE CONTRARY to GOD .
but again this is what the flesh will do . But again crucify such thoughts
and bring them subject to the obediance of Christ .
You cannot say the thought of stealing itself is not sin . because stealing iS SIN .
What you can say is , ITS NOT US sinning , its the flesh brining the lust unto us .
AND ITS OUR DUTY to CRUCIFY such a thought . DO not entertain such a thought for it will lead one into sin .

 

[rockytopva]

Why do people talk sexual preferences? Is it not because of a void in the heart producing a cold darkness? Are people born with a hole in their heart? If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

And the opposite of all of that... nothing = Absolute Zero (z) / Darkness (d)

Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

What produces the nothingness in the human heart? A cold and a dark environment? Would sexual preferences help?I don't think so! I personally would recommend that person seek the power from on high to meet those spiritual needs.

 

[St. SteVen]

Why do people talk sexual preferences?

We are all different that way.
Testosterone and estrogen levels in both males and females range wildly.

There was a man from a previous church that said that his same-sex attraction has never gone away.

 

[amigo de christo]

Why do people talk sexual preferences? Is it not because of a void in the heart producing a cold darkness? Are people born with a hole in their heart? If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

And the opposite of all of that... nothing = Absolute Zero (z) / Darkness (d)

Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

What produces the nothingness in the human heart? A cold and a dark environment? Would sexual preferences help?I don't think so! I personally would recommend that person seek the power from on high to meet those spiritual needs.

e =mc.
Ecuemnicalism = mass confusion .
Theres an equation for all to heed and be made aware of quickly .
EL= bcj.
eternal life means BELEIVE JESUS CHRIST .
enjoy . Let us all bible up and stay refreshed in prayer and in scriptures .

 

[rockytopva]

We are all different that way.
Testosterone and estrogen levels in both males and females range wildly.

There was a man from a previous church that said that his same-sex attraction has never gone away.

Flee fornication. - 1 Corinthians 6:18

I would flee such spirits. Granted... We are all made uniquely... But we are all told in scripture to flee fornication.

 

[rockytopva]

e =mc.
Ecuemnicalism = mass confusion .
Theres an equation for all to heed and be made aware of quickly .
EL= bcj.
eternal life means BELEIVE JESUS CHRIST .
enjoy . Let us all bible up and stay refreshed in prayer and in scriptures .

I say! I have known too many who have a knowledge.... But the spirit does not match the head knowledge. They can define the fruits of the spirit... But is it a spiritual reality for them? If is is a love.... Having known him... Hopefully not a strange love? In which such a strange love gets people in trouble when they begin to seek the temporary satisfactions of it.

 

[rockytopva]

I say! I have known too many who have a knowledge.... But the spirit does not match the head knowledge. They can define the fruits of the spirit... But is it a spiritual reality for them? If is is a love.... Having known him... Hopefully not a strange love? In which such a strange love gets people in trouble when they begin to seek the temporary satisfactions of it.

I must say also that it is hard for me to support American ministries these days due to the strange love of things...

1. The love of fornication
2. The love of money
3. The love of sports cars
4. The love of private jets
5. The love of seeing their name glorified
6. The love of personal portfolios
7. The love of having enough to handsomely retire

In which case the true love of the things of Christ can make their escape. It is hard for me to justify it. I believe it was Charles Spurgeon who said, "Man’s extremity is God’s opportunity." But as far as I am concerned man's extremity is God's big headache!

 

[St. SteVen]

Flee fornication. - 1 Corinthians 6:18

I would flee such spirits. Granted... We are all made uniquely... But we are all told in scripture to flee fornication.

Rats!
You're on staff so I can't put you on IGNORE.

 

[rockytopva]

Rats!
You're on staff so I can't put you on IGNORE.

I quit youth ministry to go to college. It wasn't long afterwards that one of the members who succeeded me was arrested for sexually molesting one of the boys that belonged to the youth group. The boy saw me at a store and said... What that man did to me was wrong wasn't it? That is a tough pill to swallow! And such things need to be openly condemned...

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. - Ephesians 5:11-12

 

[St. SteVen]

I quit youth ministry to go to college. It wasn't long afterwards that one of the members who succeeded me was arrested for sexually molesting one of the boys that belonged to the youth group. The boy saw me at a store and said... What that man did to me was wrong wasn't it? That is a tough pill to swallow! And such things need to be openly condemned...

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. - Ephesians 5:11-12

I'm not promoting fornication or rape.
Just hoping to educate ignorant Christians about the realities of human sexuality.

Unethical treatment of LGBTQ humans / Understanding LGBTQ - 101

I'm still trying to help Christians understand this COMPLEX issue that they have reduced to a knee-jerk reaction. Notice the term "LGBTQ humans" in the topic title. I need to remind Christians that these people are human. - Sigh. :( Because they are typically treated by Christians as subhuman...

www.christianityboard.com

Birth Sex: The sex/gender you were born with.
Determined by the presence of male or female genitalia.
A small percentage are born with dual genitalia (asexual) or genitalia abnormalities.
See "Gender Assigned at Birth" below.

Gender Assigned at Birth: Now part of the paperwork doctors are required to fill out.
Allowing for parents to assign Non-Binary gender on the birth certificate.
Previously this was reserved for doctors and parents (hopefully) in cases of
dual genitalia (asexual) or genitalia abnormalities. (this subject is new to me)

Gender Identity: In most cases gender is determined by birth sex.
But as we have all seen, hormonal imbalances can give us a broad range of maleness and femaleness.
There are very masculine females and very feminine males. and everything in between.
See Gender Roles and Gender Dysphoria below.

Gender Roles: We see early signs of children gravitating toward gender specific interests.
Typically girls play with dolls and boys prefer trucks. But not always. Happens as early as 3 to 5 years.
We have seen a lot of evening out in this area. Opportunities for women in typically male roles.
Things have gone in the other direction as well. With more and more stay-at-home Dads.

Gender Dysphoria: The situation where a birth sex male feels that they are a female in a male body.
Or a birth sex female feels that they are a male in a female body. Usually realized in adolescence.
However, some children as young as 3 to 5 years old are acting on strong urges to opposite gender behavior.
Unfortunate, this has been OVER-STRESSED in recent years to epidemic proportions.
Gender identity is being pushed on anyone with a hormonal balance in either direction.
And has become popular in teen culture to pursue gender identity opposite their birth sex.

Transgender: A range of reactions to gender dysphoria. Manifesting in anything from
clothing and hair style preferences and name change to gender reassignment surgery.

Sexual Orientation: Attraction to opposite sex, or same-sex partners.
Note: Transgenderism does NOT automatically effect a change in sexual orientation.

Monogamous Relationships:
A couple in a lifetime commitment to each other regardless of sexual orientation.

 

[rockytopva]

I'm not promoting fornication or rape.
Just hoping to educate ignorant Christians about the realities of human sexuality.

Unethical treatment of LGBTQ humans / Understanding LGBTQ - 101

I'm still trying to help Christians understand this COMPLEX issue that they have reduced to a knee-jerk reaction. Notice the term "LGBTQ humans" in the topic title. I need to remind Christians that these people are human. - Sigh. :( Because they are typically treated by Christians as subhuman...

www.christianityboard.com

Birth Sex: The sex/gender you were born with.
Determined by the presence of male or female genitalia.
A small percentage are born with dual genitalia (asexual) or genitalia abnormalities.
See "Gender Assigned at Birth" below.

Gender Assigned at Birth: Now part of the paperwork doctors are required to fill out.
Allowing for parents to assign Non-Binary gender on the birth certificate.
Previously this was reserved for doctors and parents (hopefully) in cases of
dual genitalia (asexual) or genitalia abnormalities. (this subject is new to me)

Gender Identity: In most cases gender is determined by birth sex.
But as we have all seen, hormonal imbalances can give us a broad range of maleness and femaleness.
There are very masculine females and very feminine males. and everything in between.
See Gender Roles and Gender Dysphoria below.

Gender Roles: We see early signs of children gravitating toward gender specific interests.
Typically girls play with dolls and boys prefer trucks. But not always. Happens as early as 3 to 5 years.
We have seen a lot of evening out in this area. Opportunities for women in typically male roles.
Things have gone in the other direction as well. With more and more stay-at-home Dads.

Gender Dysphoria: The situation where a birth sex male feels that they are a female in a male body.
Or a birth sex female feels that they are a male in a female body. Usually realized in adolescence.
However, some children as young as 3 to 5 years old are acting on strong urges to opposite gender behavior.
Unfortunate, this has been OVER-STRESSED in recent years to epidemic proportions.
Gender identity is being pushed on anyone with a hormonal balance in either direction.
And has become popular in teen culture to pursue gender identity opposite their birth sex.

Transgender: A range of reactions to gender dysphoria. Manifesting in anything from
clothing and hair style preferences and name change to gender reassignment surgery.

Sexual Orientation: Attraction to opposite sex, or same-sex partners.
Note: Transgenderism does NOT automatically effect a change in sexual orientation.

Monogamous Relationships:
A couple in a lifetime commitment to each other regardless of sexual orientation.

Is there any chemistry between the coldness of the north and the human character that causes them to desire such things?

 

[St. SteVen]

Is there any chemistry between the coldness of the north and the human character that causes them to desire such things?

Uh... not that I am aware of. ???

 

[rockytopva]

Uh... not that I am aware of. ???

I went to high school up in Michigan where I would describe a terribly cold climate and people. I would sit in the church and look out the window to wonder what was more dead and lifeless... The ice cold Michigan tundra or the church I was in. I found a totally different atmosphere in the Virginia Pentecostal Holiness church in the old World War II generation. But the ice cold ways are making their way down here too.

I would say though... That the Spirit of God is a good source of light and energy. Even though it may not be reflected here on planet earth.

 

[shepherdsword]

WWJD with LGBTQ?

It is very simple. It's a sin and just like any other sin, He would say "REPENT for the Kingdom is at hand!"

 

[rockytopva]

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. - 1 John 2

All that is in the world...

1. The lust of the flesh
2. The lust of the eyes
3. The pride of life

I would recommend praying that the will of God be revealed in each human life.

 

[amigo de christo]

I say! I have known too many who have a knowledge.... But the spirit does not match the head knowledge. They can define the fruits of the spirit... But is it a spiritual reality for them? If is is a love.... Having known him... Hopefully not a strange love? In which such a strange love gets people in trouble when they begin to seek the temporary satisfactions of it.

if one cannot even BELIEVE the gospel
there is N O LIGHT IN THEM .
And one cannot love BELEIF IN HIM and UNBELEIF , they will cling to UNBELEIF .
as we clearly see in ecumenicism . EITHER we BELEIVE HIS WORDS
or we have only decieved ourselves .
Because IF JESUS said it , LET GOD BE TRUE BUT EVERY MAN A LIAR .
and we both know JESUS WAS NOT MERE MAN . HIS WORDS are SPIRIT
and THEY ARE LIFE .

 

[St. SteVen]

@Hillsage
Now I have two of them that I can't IGNORE. - LOL