Who is "the god of this world"? God or satan?

[Taken]

God bless you.

Thank you

You watch television and you'll see those who hide in the shadows of the cross while working for the darkness. Leading people into holding faith in a worldly god.

Haven’t been to a theater or watched TV for eons. Too dumb and trashy.

They're everywhere. They even write books. Their version of their god's bible.

Agree.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

No, if's God the same one the bible repeatedly says is blinding people.

God is Omnipresent.

With some men, Without some men,
IN some men, Out of some men …

Gods Estate is Heaven Above the Heavens.
Gods Throne is the Heavens.
Heaven is the Clouds (in mans sight) upward, beyond mans sight.

satan rules this kosmos not this Aion.

No clue what “kosmos or Aion” is.

Satan’s Presence is Limited;
to the Stars, Clouds, Earth and WITH and IN Many men.

Satan has No Access to Heaven Above the Stars;
Nor to Gods Estate, Nor to men IN whom Gods Spirit Dwells “IN” such men, (IN Heaven and ON Earth.)

A mans God, Is Whom a man Chooses to DESIGNATE and Bow down to / Worship.

Lord God Almighty is the Creator and Maker…and Gives and Takes LIFE, POWER, AUTHORITY, to whom AND WHEN He Pleases.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[ewq1938]

No clue what “kosmos or Aion” is.

Maybe it's time to learn?

 

[Taken]

Maybe it's time to learn?

What is it ?

 

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What is it ?

Asked AI in light of their belief system.

In Gnosticism, Aeons are divine, eternal emanations or spirits that form the transcendent spiritual realm known as the Pleroma (Fullness), while the Kosmos (or the material world) is the inferior, flawed creation of a lesser, ignorant deity called the Demiurge.

Gnostic Definition of Aeon (Aion)
The term aion (Greek for "age," "lifetime," or "eternity") has a specific, technical meaning in Gnostic cosmology, different from its general Greek usage of "world" or "age".

• Divine Emanations: Aeons are celestial, spiritual beings or attributes that emanated from the supreme, unknowable God (often called the Monad, the One, or Bythos).
• The Pleroma: These Aeons exist within the Pleroma, the pure, harmonious, and full divine realm, entirely separate from the material universe.
• Hierarchy: In systems like Valentinianism, Aeons form a complex hierarchy, often appearing in male/female pairs called syzygies.
• Origin of the Material World: The material world is a result of a flaw or passion in one of the lower Aeons, typically Sophia (Wisdom), who emanated without her partner and produced the Demiurge outside the Pleroma.

Gnostic Definition of Kosmos
The kosmos refers to the material or physical world as we experience it, but it is viewed very differently from the orthodox Christian or Greek philosophical perspective which often saw the kosmos as an ordered, good creation.

• Flawed Creation: Gnostics viewed the material kosmos as corrupt, imperfect, or even an active trap designed to imprison the divine sparks of humanity.
• Created by the Demiurge: The kosmos was not created by the true, supreme God, but by the Demiurge (sometimes identified with the God of the Old Testament), an arrogant and ignorant lesser deity who believes himself to be the only god.
• A Place of Exile: For Gnostics, human beings are divine spirits (pneuma) trapped in physical bodies within this hostile kosmos.
• Salvation through Gnosis: Salvation involves acquiring gnosis (intuitive, inner knowledge) of one's true divine origin, which allows the spiritual self to escape the confines and fate of the material kosmos and return to the Pleroma.

In essence, Gnosticism establishes a radical dualism: the Aeons belong to the good, spiritual reality, while the kosmos is the realm of evil matter and the primary obstacle to spiritual liberation.

 

[Taken]

Asked AI in light of their belief system.

In Gnosticism, Aeons are divine, eternal emanations or spirits that form the transcendent spiritual realm known as the Pleroma (Fullness), while the Kosmos (or the material world) is the inferior, flawed creation of a lesser, ignorant deity called the Demiurge.

Gnostic Definition of Aeon (Aion)
The term aion (Greek for "age," "lifetime," or "eternity") has a specific, technical meaning in Gnostic cosmology, different from its general Greek usage of "world" or "age".

• Divine Emanations: Aeons are celestial, spiritual beings or attributes that emanated from the supreme, unknowable God (often called the Monad, the One, or Bythos).
• The Pleroma: These Aeons exist within the Pleroma, the pure, harmonious, and full divine realm, entirely separate from the material universe.
• Hierarchy: In systems like Valentinianism, Aeons form a complex hierarchy, often appearing in male/female pairs called syzygies.
• Origin of the Material World: The material world is a result of a flaw or passion in one of the lower Aeons, typically Sophia (Wisdom), who emanated without her partner and produced the Demiurge outside the Pleroma.

Gnostic Definition of Kosmos
The kosmos refers to the material or physical world as we experience it, but it is viewed very differently from the orthodox Christian or Greek philosophical perspective which often saw the kosmos as an ordered, good creation.

• Flawed Creation: Gnostics viewed the material kosmos as corrupt, imperfect, or even an active trap designed to imprison the divine sparks of humanity.
• Created by the Demiurge: The kosmos was not created by the true, supreme God, but by the Demiurge (sometimes identified with the God of the Old Testament), an arrogant and ignorant lesser deity who believes himself to be the only god.
• A Place of Exile: For Gnostics, human beings are divine spirits (pneuma) trapped in physical bodies within this hostile kosmos.
• Salvation through Gnosis: Salvation involves acquiring gnosis (intuitive, inner knowledge) of one's true divine origin, which allows the spiritual self to escape the confines and fate of the material kosmos and return to the Pleroma.

In essence, Gnosticism establishes a radical dualism: the Aeons belong to the good, spiritual reality, while the kosmos is the realm of evil matter and the primary obstacle to spiritual liberation.

He said… Kosmos and Aion.

Kosmos is a Greek spelling of Cosmos, which applies to the Universe.

This World is the Earth, the Habitat of man.

The Cosmos, or Universe includes, space, time, matter, energy, and physical laws.

Aion was his misspelling of something he was talking about.

AI response is psychobabble and irrelevant to the Topic of God of “THIS WORLD”… Earth.

 

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You said… Kosmos and Aion.

Kosmos is a Greek spelling of Cosmos, which applies to the Universe.

This World is the Earth, the Habitat of man.

The Cosmos, or Universe includes, space, time, matter, energy, and physical laws.

Aion is your misspelling of something you were talking about.

Your response is psychobabble and irrelevant to the Topic of God of “THIS WORLD”… Earth.

You posted to the wrong person.

 

[Taken]

You posted to the wrong person.

Again… SORRY.
Be assured, we are walking the same path in agreement.

 

[Button]

Again… SORRY.

No problem.

Be assured, we are walking the same path in agreement.

At this point I'm certain you're talking to a Gnostic.

He refuses to address my question to that effect. And he refuses to show Canon Bible scripture ,when asked repeatedly,to support his claims.Gnostic christians don't rely on the Bible we use. They use a different one.

 

[lforrest]

God Almighty is calling out the people of the world for treating Satan as their god. The almighty does not consider Satan to be a god, but people do when they follow in his rebellious ways.

And I think the authority of those followers constitute Satan's authority within the world. Satan could have followed through with his third temptation of Jesus by directing his followers to submit to Jesus. They are normally predisposed against Jesus and what he represents, through spiritual means.

 

[Keiw]

No problem.



At this point I'm certain you're talking to a Gnostic.

He refuses to address my question to that effect. And he refuses to show Canon Bible scripture ,when asked repeatedly,to support his claims.Gnostic christians don't rely on the Bible we use. They use a different one.

ALL translations with Gods name removed are misleading all to not enter Gods kingdom. Jesus' Fathers will( Matt 7:21) = his name in his bible over 7000 places. That is the translation Jesus would use if here on Earth, thus so do all true followers. This is 100% fact of reality. Satan is misleading 99.9 % today-Luke 17:26)-- One can find some truth in the altered translations but they are very misleading without Gods name there. It allows men to twist Gods truth and make hundreds of religions claiming to be Christian. God and Jesus are with the 1 religion that supports his will on that important matter. The New world translation is Gods translation. 0 doubt in all creation.

 

[Christian Soldier]

ALL translations with Gods name removed are misleading all to not enter Gods kingdom. Jesus' Fathers will( Matt 7:21) = his name in his bible over 7000 places. That is the translation Jesus would use if here on Earth, thus so do all true followers. This is 100% fact of reality. Satan is misleading 99.9 % today-Luke 17:26)-- One can find some truth in the altered translations but they are very misleading without Gods name there. It allows men to twist Gods truth and make hundreds of religions claiming to be Christian. God and Jesus are with the 1 religion that supports his will on that important matter. The New world translation is Gods translation. 0 doubt in all creation.

There are approximately 900 different versions of the bible, in the English language. There is only One True God and His Name is?????.....

Just wanted to see what you think it is, please don't answer in foreign languages, just let me know the English translation, if you know it thank you.

I'm not sure which of the 49,000 Christian Denominations you subscribe to, but be advised they all have their own theological views which are radically different in many cases. So, it's not good enough to claim that 99.9% are wrong and yours is the only right one. That's arrogance on steroids

 

[Keiw]

There are approximately 900 different versions of the bible, in the English language. There is only One True God and His Name is?????.....

Just wanted to see what you think it is, please don't answer in foreign languages, just let me know the English translation, if you know it thank you.

I'm not sure which of the 49,000 Christian Denominations you subscribe to, but be advised they all have their own theological views which are radically different in many cases. So, it's not good enough to claim that 99.9% are wrong and yours is the only right one. That's arrogance on steroids

YHVH(Jehovah) the Father( one who sent Jesus) is the only true God Jesus taught( John 17:3) as does Paul-1Cor 8:6
1 Cor 1:10 assures there is no division in Jesus' religion= 1, not hundreds. No arrogance, bible fact.

 

[Taken]

I'm not sure which of the 49,000 Christian Denominations you subscribe to,

I’ve seen individuals claim there are, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 thousand Different Christian Denominations…

But Never have seen ONE Identify the “supposed” Name or “supposed” Difference of a mere 1,000 “supposed” Different Denominations.

Scripture teaches to Verify what you Hear.

 

[PinSeeker]

I do not believe the verse is speaking about Satan being the God of this world.

Fair enough, but it is.

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

To not see the contrast drawn by Paul regarding God ~ YHWH of course ~ and "the god of this world" in 2 Corinthians 4:1-4 is astounding, ewq. Observe:

"Therefore, having this ministry by the mercy of God, we do not lose heart. But we have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God’s word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, Who is the image of God."​

If one is to suppose that YHWH is referred to exclusively in this passage, one has to ask himself/herself why God would be referred to properly as God Himself four times ~ four, in that short passage...

• "mercy of God"
• "God's Word,"
• "sight of God,"
• "Christ, Who is the image of God"

...but as a dissociated object/person in only one...

• "the god of this world."

So verse four alone shows irrefutably that sharp contrast. So "the god of this world," as used by Paul in 2 Corinthians 4:4, in his context there, is clearly referring to Satan.

Second, can one really, with any credibility, possibly think that Christ is the image of God and also the image of the god of this world? Well, if "God" and "the god of this world" were referring to the same person, yes, but obviously the correct answer is no, of course not, precisely because they are not referring to the same person. So again, "the god of this world," as used by Paul in 2 Corinthians 4:4, in his context there, is clearly referring to Satan.

Finally, another key is to understand what/who Paul means by "world" in verse four. Paul talks about the world and worldliness in various places in all his letters in the context of being sinful, filled with sin, and of the devil. And this does not include those He has called unto Himself, His elect, the ones who He has chosen to be conformed to the image of His And here in 2 Corinthians 4:4 it is the same. YHWH can have nothing to do with sin, much less be the cause of it or the author of it or ~ GASP ~ the god of sin. So, again, "the god of this world," as used by Paul in 2 Corinthians 4:4, in his context there, is clearly referring to Satan.

Now. In other contexts ~ like Exodus 33, where Moses quotes God Himself) and Romans 9 (where Paul quotes Moses quoting God) ~ does God Himself, with regard to His salvation and specifically His mercy and compassion, which are the catalysts of such, "(have) mercy on whomever He wills, and harden(s) whomever He wills"...? Yes. As God says in Isaiah 53, "My word... shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it." But these are in a very different context than the 2 Corinthians 4 passage above. Here, God is the one true God.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Keiw]

I’ve seen individuals claim there are, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 thousand Different Christian Denominations…

But Never have seen ONE Identify the “supposed” Name or “supposed” Difference of a mere 1,000 “supposed” Different Denominations.

Scripture teaches to Verify what you Hear.

Jesus is with 1 single Christian religion, not hundreds or thousands of them. 1 Corinthians 1:10 is clear--NO DIVISION= 1 religion. Few have found it because this is occurring to 99.9% on Earth-2 Cor 4:4-2Cor 11:12-15) Luke 17:26--same as in Noah's day Jesus taught.

 

[David in NJ]

I do not believe the verse is speaking about Satan being the God of this world. Satan is called the Prince of the world (not a God and not a King) but not the God of it. Certainly much of the world worships Satan in one form or another but in order to know whom is being spoken of we simply have to use the context:



2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Some will say it's a little "g" on god so that means its not God. Not so. There are no capitals vs. small letters in the manuscripts. The small g is purely the translators opinion.


So who was it that "blinded the minds of them which believe not"?

It was God.

John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.


The HE here is God and this is very similar language. God blinded them so they could not convert and be healed! Isn't that what the other verse is saying?

Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear) unto this day.


God does the blinding!

While Satan can be considered a false god of this world, he simply isn't the one being spoken of because it is God which blinds so people cannot convert to Christ and be healed.
There are no capitals in the manuscripts.

Gen_24:3 And I will make thee swear by the LORD, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:

Isa_54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Revelation 11:4 these are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the god of the earth.

Is this Satan because it is believed that saying "god of something" rather than just "god" means that it isn't the one true God? If Satan is the supposed "god of this world" then he must also be the "god of the earth" right?

Remember, there are no capitals in the manuscripts. god and God are spelled exactly the same way so we can't go by that. Naturally, context matters. Naturally, using other scriptures to help us understand scriptures matter. Forget tradition, forget what has been assumed for generations and look without assumption at all the evidence and decide who is doing the blinding in the world.

"god of this world" is Satan

The Scripture/Holy Spirit makes a clear distinction between God and god in this passage.
Remove the caps from God and you can still SEE the distinction.

Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart.
But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.
But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake.
For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

 

[David in NJ]

God Almighty is calling out the people of the world for treating Satan as their god. The almighty does not consider Satan to be a god, but people do when they follow in his rebellious ways.

And I think the authority of those followers constitute Satan's authority within the world. Satan could have followed through with his third temptation of Jesus by directing his followers to submit to Jesus. They are normally predisposed against Jesus and what he represents, through spiritual means.

JESUS absolutely acknowledged Satan as "the god of this age"

Thus why the LORD commanded us to not have any "gods" before HIM.

@ewq1938

 

[David in NJ]

Come on guys, If Satan did not have authority over this world then Jesus would not have had to redeem it back to God in the first place.

SIMPLE TRUTH

 

[David in NJ]

satan-god( small g) of this world. Small g god= has godlike qualities. It is not calling him God. He has mislead 99% minimum all throughout since Eden. Actually the true God at both John 1:1 and 2 Cor 4:4 is called Ho Theos=God, and the Word and satan are both called Theos-Why? god is why. All can see in the Greek the true God is called a different Greek word than both the word and satan. Both have godlike qualities, but Jesus has God behind him, satan does not.

The FATHER is not "behind" JESUS/the WORD that was God

Believe the WORD/TRUTH and it will set you Free

John 10:30 = “I and the Father are One.”

John 5:23 = so that all people will honor the Son just as/same as they honor the Father.
Anyone who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Same Honor to the Father as to the Son