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You agreed then proceed to reply with man-made dogma
Am I speaking to a Christian person?
Then why are we debating the essence/nature/substance of Jesus?
Jesus had two natures....a human nature and a divine nature.
This was esblished in Christian theology and is not debatable.
See Hidden, some things about Christianity CANNOT be debated.
Why do you say I declared a man-made doctrine?
Do you not believe the NT and what the Apostles taught?
The Apostles taught that Jesus is a man:
1 Timothy 2:5
5For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Hebrews 2:14
14 Since the children have flesh and blood, He too shared in their humanity ...
Hebrews 4:15
15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—
Many more verses:
Jesus was born
He grew
He became tired
He died
He cried
etc.
The Apostles taught that Jesus is God:
John 8:58
58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
John 10:30
30I and the Father are one.”
John 20:28
28Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Collosians 2:9
9For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
Titus 2:13
13Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
This is known as the hypostatic union.
The term was coined so as to make it easy to speak about theology and Christology.
Could you imagine if you had to describe the "mouse" you use on your computer each time?
Better to give it a name.
Can't be proven from the Inspired Word which is the reason my position is watertight whereas yours is a bucket full of holes.
My bucket full of holes has been proven, with scripture, above.
If you do not care to believe the NT...that is your choice.
But the scripture is there to prove that Jesus was both man and God.
No, God required victory in fallen man which is why He raised up Christ from its condemned line otherwise you have a God who pretended to have victory over sin's flesh.
Could you provide scripture please?
Who said he was a mere man? His Father is God and he perceived the Spirit quickly - have you not read Isaiah 11:3?
What about Isaiah 11:3...
it's up to YOU to make your point.
You need to try to understand.
Here's what I understand.
Jesus was human and did not have the qualities that He had when with the Father.
His humanity LIMITED Him.
Mark 13:32
32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Can God be exalted? Yes or No? Can God be given authority, name, throne and eternal life?
If your answer is no then Christ cannot be God.
It is very important to understand the hypostatic union.
Non-Christians do not accept the entirty of the NT.
In His human nature Jesus was GIVEN authority.
In His divine nature, Jesus HAD authority.
Matthew 28:18
18And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
James 2:19
19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
Correct - all taken from among men!
Let's repeat:
Jesus was ALSO a man and held earthly titles.
Jesus was both the Priest and the sacrifice.
He had to be both man and God.
Not one person in this forum has been able to deal with these verses.
As David wrote, “He (Jesus) asked life of You (God), and You (God) gave it to him, length of days forever and ever” (Psalm 21:4).
Jesus affirmed, “The Father has granted the Son to have life in Himself” (John 5:26).
Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life” (John 6:35) and, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father (for Life) except through me” (John 14:6).
What is there to reply to?
Why do you accept some verses and not all?
What does Psalm 21:4 mean to YOU?
Here is what it means:
Psalm 21:4
4He asked you for life, and you gave it to him—
length of days, for ever and ever.
It's speaking about King David.
Kind David gets his strength from God.
David rejoices in the victories God allowed him to have. Verse 1
God gave David the desires of his heart
God gave him everything he asked for Verse 2
God gave to him a royal welcome by placing a crown on his head. Verse 3
God gave to him a good life and a long life. Verse 4
in a prophetic sense it could relate to Jesus. (as a foreshadowing)
Where's the problem?
“I live because of the Father” (John 6:57), and again, “As the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself” (John 5:26).
Oh.
You're saying that Father gave eternal life to Son....
Well, this is because you don't accept the Trinity or it would not be a problem.
Jesus was both man and God and this was explained 2 thousand years ago by those that knew Him and had better brains than either you nor I.
"Became" you mean!
True now finish the quote and tell me what it means!
I do believe it's YOUR job to tell me what you THINK it means.
There are many verses which deal with what Christ became:
“And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him.” Heb 5:9
You have a number of issues with this verse if you believe in the Trinity.
Which verses?
Why don't you post scripture?
Mentioning Hebrews 5:9 is NOT POSTING scripture.
I'm not doing your work for you.
No Hidden.
YOU show ME.
Everything which is stated about the Lords nature and sacrifice is totally opposite to the teaching of the Trinity.
You can believe this.
No problem.
Just stop calling yourself a Christian.
Christians believe in the Trinity because it explains that Jesus is God.
Christians believe that Jesus is God.
Perhaps persons that DO NOT believe Jesus is God should not be allowed to define themselves as Christian on these forums?
In other words, if it states CHRISTIAN under your avatar,
you should not be debating the divinity of Jesus - at least in the negative.
There should be NO DEBATE between Christians as to the divinity of Jesus.
