Who really created the Son of God?

[Hiddenthings]

THE SON RAISED HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD

Need we say anymore? Such is the delusion and misrepresentation of the Masters words you will twist it all in favor of your chosen wine!

 

[Hiddenthings]

As to 1 Cor 15:45
45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”[a]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

The word became can thunder into some people’s lives to their blessing, but when you’re wearing Trinity noise cancelling headphones, it all fades into blissful ignorance

 

[Hiddenthings]

Sure, if you believe that, then you must think the Holy Spirit was not influential enough, not powerful enough, unable to guide and teach 97% of the Body of Christ to believe in what is a crucial and fundamental concept of God.

Another spirit is guiding here Ron.

The primary purpose in life _ for His chosen Sheep _ is to be reconciled to God through Christ at some point in their lives. So knowing who God/ Christ is would be on the top of His list - don't you think?

There is knowing and then there is KNOWING - which are you referring to?

Another fundamental truth about God is that God is sovereign. So given that, YOU would and must conclude this sovereignty does not influence our beliefs about God and therefore God is not the Author of our faith, since our faith is absurd, confused and misled as to Whom we actually believe in.

There are many Gospels Ronald and many Christians claim to have the true Gospel but there is only One Original Gospel and that is not in circulation in Christianity today. All will be revealed at his coming.

 

[Justified]

Theologians do not do piece meal or cherry picking. So silly for you to say that.

Yes, they do. It’s all the more relevant when, technically speaking, everyone is a theologian. It’s just that some are good theologians and some are not.

The confusion with the one God thing is complicated, but in short there is one supreme God....Yahweh.
The Apostles and Yeshua made this clear. A lot of times they would refer to Yahweh as God and Yeshua as Lord, sometime in the same sentence. In fact Yeshua referred to Yahweh as His God. But there is more reasons for this.

There is no “confusion with the one God thing.” As I previously posted:

Isa 43:10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.

Jesus affirms it:

Mar 12:29 "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
...
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him.
...
Mar 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And after that no one dared to ask him any more questions.

Paul affirms it:

1Co 8:4 Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.”
1Co 8:5 For although there may be so-called godsin heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”—
1Co 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

James affirms it:

Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!

Jude affirms it:

Jud 1:25 to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

Note especially Isa. 43:10. There was and is only one true God. You say there is three, against all biblical evidence.

The 3 in 1 formula is a doctrine of the 4th century Roman Catholic Church that was forced on Christianity upon pain of excommunication or death.

The McKenzie Bible Dictionary explains it this way.... “The Trinity of God is defined by the Church as the belief that in God there are three persons who subsist in one nature. The belief as so defined was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly or formally a biblical belief.” Which hold true to the fact that the word Trinity does not occur in the Holy Bible.

None of this is relevant.

The 3 in 1 formula is absolutely not a scriptural teaching.

It is the best explanation of all that the Bible says—God’s revelation of himself.

I refuse to address scriptures....

Yes, I know, and that is a big part of the problem in this discussion.

.It is you that refuse to address scriptures or even provide scriptures to support it.

I’ve addressed scriptures and I’ve supported the claims I have made.

I have given you the opportunity to produce scripture that specifically defines the 3 in 1 formula but you have not. I am sure if you tried real hard you could come close with one.

Again, I haven’t made the claim that there is a verse that “defines the 3 in 1 formula.” As I have repeatedly stated, the doctrine of the Trinity comes by taking all the biblical revelation into account.

But that is up against over a hundred scriptures that prove the the 3 in 1 formula wrong.

No. Again, you haven’t provided a single one. Each one is you reading your straw man

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes, they do. It’s all the more relevant when, technically speaking, everyone is a theologian. It’s just that some are good theologians and some are not.


There is no “confusion with the one God thing.” As I previously posted:

Isa 43:10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.

Jesus affirms it:

Mar 12:29 "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
...
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him.
...
Mar 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And after that no one dared to ask him any more questions.

Paul affirms it:

1Co 8:4 Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.”
1Co 8:5 For although there may be so-called godsin heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”—
1Co 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

James affirms it:

Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!

Jude affirms it:

Jud 1:25 to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

Note especially Isa. 43:10. There was and is only one true God. You say there is three, against all biblical evidence.


None of this is relevant.


It is the best explanation of all that the Bible says—God’s revelation of himself.


Yes, I know, and that is a big part of the problem in this discussion.


I’ve addressed scriptures and I’ve supported the claims I have made.


Again, I haven’t made the claim that there is a verse that “defines the 3 in 1 formula.” As I have repeatedly stated, the doctrine of the Trinity comes by taking all the biblical revelation into account.


No. Again, you haven’t provided a single one. Each one is you reading your straw man

LOL
No, nothing you said is relevant.
So you have no biblical scripture to support your belief. No surprise.
So are you making it up as you go.

 

[Justified]

All over the place - Abraham looked forward to my day and was glad! Jesus was pre-emenent in the mind of the Father when you are told he was a lamb slain from the foundation of the world...man I could go on and on. The fact you need to ask this question highlights how deceived you have become - its credal drunkenness.

Aren’t you arguing against the literal preexistence of the Son as the second person of the Trinity? If so, to argue that “The apostles understood that Christ existed first in the mind and purpose (Logos) of God from the beginning,” as the though the Logos was merely in God’s mind, is circular reasoning; you’re presuming the very thing you’re concluding.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Aren’t you arguing against the literal preexistence of the Son as the second person of the Trinity? If so, to argue that “The apostles understood that Christ existed first in the mind and purpose (Logos) of God from the beginning,” as the though the Logos was merely in God’s mind, is circular reasoning; you’re presuming the very thing you’re concluding.

No, the Apostles understood that everything that exists, both physical and spiritual, comes from the Logos (Yahweh’s divine reasoning and expression). Jesus is the firstborn, the firstfruits of those who sleep. This means he was the first man to receive immortality and can no longer die. Death no longer has dominion over him, as it still does over us now.

What makes Jesus unique, even above the angels is that, having been “made” perfect through suffering, he “became” a life-giving Spirit. This means that only through him can one access immortality from God. The way the Apostles viewed Christ is no different from how Christ views those who are in him. The same Logos that brought Christ forth will also create the saints, conforming them to his image and after his likeness, because of Christ’s example and life.

Hope that helps.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Another spirit is guiding here Ron.

There is knowing and then there is KNOWING - which are you referring to?

There are many Gospels Ronald and many Christians claim to have the true Gospel but there is only One Original Gospel and that is not in circulation in Christianity today. All will be revealed at his coming.

I'm wondering if you know what the gospel is? Give it to me in one sentence ( or verse) please.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I'm wondering if you know what the gospel is? Give it to me in one sentence ( or verse) please.

A favorite of mine is found in Acts 8:12

"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

If I asked you many different gospels are based on these two pivotal truths, I wonder how many you can count?

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Ronald David Bruno...you can be 100% certain those things did not involve the Trinity or Heaven Going!

 

[GodsGrace]

All over the place - Abraham looked forward to my day and was glad! Jesus was pre-emenent in the mind of the Father when you are told he was a lamb slain from the foundation of the world...man I could go on and on. The fact you need to ask this question highlights how deceived you have become - its credal drunkenness.

The above is for @Justified.

Do you REALLY think he's asking you a question?

When we Christians ask a question...we already know the answer.
He'd like to know if YOU know the answer.
or, at least, how you understand the reply.

It's a way of making you THINK about what the bible teaches.

 

[GodsGrace]

A favorite of mine is found in Acts 8:12

"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

If I asked you many different gospels are based on these two pivotal truths, I wonder how many you can count?

Also not for me...
sorry they just happened to be there....
I'm not trolling you.

You have correctly stated the pivotal truths about the gospel.
But you have NOT stated what the good news actually is.

 

[GodsGrace]

@Ronald David Bruno...you can be 100% certain those things did not involve the Trinity or Heaven Going!

Something invoked the trinity.
Unless those that lived at the time of Jesus were really dumb.
(and a time thereafter).

Let's say you want to work for google.
Their rules are that you must wear a tie to work.


Do you wear a tie to work
or do you try to change their rules because you don't agree with them?

THIS is what non-trinitarians are doing.
They're trying to change the very rules that define Christianity.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Something invoked the trinity.

Men's councils rooted in philosophical and mythology reasoning.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Do you REALLY think he's asking you a question?

No question was asked - merely stated simple truth.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Also not for me...
sorry they just happened to be there....
I'm not trolling you.

You have correctly stated the pivotal truths about the gospel.
But you have NOT stated what the good news actually is.

I’m not sure how intelligent you’re being here, but Ronald asked for a short answer, possibly just a verse (go and see!).

If he wanted an exhortation, he would have asked for one.

I could have quoted Romans 8:1, but I doubt he understands what “condemnation” means in that verse. I could have quoted John 3:16, but that’s probably the most misunderstood verse in the Bible.

No, the two foundational pillars of the Good News are what were given. Even you called them pivotal truths, though I know you don’t understand what Philip actually preached that day.

 

[GodsGrace]

Need we say anymore? Such is the delusion and misrepresentation of the Masters words you will twist it all in favor of your chosen wine!

Hidden
I posted SCRIPTURE.

If YOU don't believe the NT,,,
that's on YOU.

Father and Son raised Jesus.

Because Jesus is Yahweh and Father is Yahweh.

It's more than apparent that you do not belong in the Christian religion.

Wes Huff is the current champion of Christianity.
I'll be posting the following beginning right now.

You can either watch it or not.
It might be disturbing to you..better not watch it.

It speaks the truth -

 

[GodsGrace]

The word became can thunder into some people’s lives to their blessing, but when you’re wearing Trinity noise cancelling headphones, it all fades into blissful ignorance

Do you have any scripture to post?

Comments are YOUR OPINION.

Adam didn't ALWAYS EXIST.
He was CREATED.

The Son is UNCREATED.

 

[GodsGrace]

Another spirit is guiding here Ron.

There is knowing and then there is KNOWING - which are you referring to?

There are many Gospels Ronald and many Christians claim to have the true Gospel but there is only One Original Gospel and that is not in circulation in Christianity today. All will be revealed at his coming.

We have to wait for His coming to know what the gospel is?

I think we better know it right now, today.

 

[GodsGrace]

Men's councils rooted in philosophical and mythology reasoning.

I'll post it again.
No men's philosophy.
No mythology.
Those are just excuses for not wanting to believe the religion that you claim to follow.

Try to watch it.