Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man
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In the KJB devils are defined as demons or supernatural unclean spirit of a bad nature. Nowhere in the KJB translates demons but always devils. The spirit called Satan is identified a great dragon, serpent, called the Devil. The dragon is the serpent, called the Devil that is Satan and there is no distinction between demons and devils. All of these are known as the unclean spirit called Satan! They are many by inhabiting all who have not the Spirit of Christ in them, yet Satan, the Devil, and great dragon called old serpent are ONE in the same unclean power to deceive and kill.
Revelation 12:9 (KJV) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Spiritual Israelite
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Whatever. Who cares what we call them? Stick to the issue at hand instead of wasting time with semantics.
Goodness gracious. Where do you come up with this nonsense? You are saying that all devils/demons are collectively called Satan? What?! You are just making things up at this point.
It refers to the devil, Satan, separately from "his angels". Why do you refer to "his angels" collectively as Satan? You are not making any sense whatsoever.
When you say spirit, what are you meaning by spirit? For example, there is the holy Spirit. Do you take that to be meaning a real being? Or do you perhaps take it to mean the way JWs take it to mean, for example?
Speaking of spirits.
Luke 24:36 ¶And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
His disciples obviously thought spirits were real and can manifest bodily. After all, Christ appeared to them bodily, but initially they mistook Him for a spirit. And guess what? Christ has arms and legs, and they still mistook Him for a spirit initially. What should that be telling us? That maybe spirits have arms and legs? Maybe. You never know.
Exactly. It is delusional. Look at how many posts, Scriptures and arguments he is avoiding on this thread. He never does this when he is arguing truth.
He knows he is fighting Scripture on this.
Angels are spirits (Hebrews 1:14). Demons are fallen angels. They operate in the invisible realm. Their allegiance is to Satan. When the Bible talks about the activity of the devil, it sometimes includes the phrase “and his angels.” Satan is a distinct entity from his demons, but you cannot divide Satan from the fate of his angels. They are depicted as a collective whole. They move and fight as a unitary army. For example, Scripture describes them in Matthew 25:41 as “the devil and his angels,” in Revelation 12:7 as “the dragon … and his angels,” and in Revelation 12:9 as “that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan … and his angels.”
I'm not the one trying to force this lamentation to be about Satan, because if the lamentation is not speaking of Satan, your theory of Satan being an angel of God before he became Satan falls apart. This is one of the primary passages used by those who support the unbiblical theory of Satan as a fallen angel of God. So, who in reality is avoiding? Look in the mirror!
Spiritual Israelite
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You are avoiding the obvious fact that cherubim are not human beings. Ezekiel 28:12-19 refers to a perfectly created, anointed cherub who later fell. You are not recognizing that Ezekiel 28:1-10 is about the human prince of Tyre with Ezekiel 28:12-19 being about the spiritual ruler of Tyre who influenced their human ruler to become like him (arrogant, thinking he was a god, etc.). So, who was that fallen cherub if not Satan? It's not reasonable at all to claim that any human being, including the human ruler of Tyre, would ever have been called the perfect anointed cherub who protected the holy mountain of God.
Yea, exactly! He cannot address that. He just ducks around it.
These 2 kings were simply surrogates who Satan used. They were his evil ambassadors. Satan worked through them. He spoke through them. He is still doing the same today.
- Satan was in Eden, the Garden of God (v. 13)
- Satan was an anointed guardian cherub (v. 14)
- Satan was blameless in his ways from the day he was created, till unrighteousness was found in him. (v. 15)
- Satan was proud because of his beauty. He corrupted God’s wisdom for the sake of his own prideful splendour.
- Satan was “the anointed” or “covering cherub” who was laid low by pride and expelled by God from heaven before creation. cast to the ground, with the evil angels (v. 17).
Satan is described as “the prince [archōn or ruler] of the devils” in Matthew 9:34, 12:24 and Mark 3:22. Matthew 9:34 extends the name to “Beelzebub the prince [archōn or ruler] of the devils.”
Spirit is the unseen part that gives life to physical beings. The non-physical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character, the soul.
John 4:24 (KJV) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
1 Timothy 1:17 (KJV) Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Spirit giving life to man has always existed. The Spiri of God gave physical life to Adam by breathing His Spirit into him. This is why God tells us that man was created with physical body + breath of life from God [spirit] breathed into him and Adam became a living soul. Without spirit there would not be physical life upon the earth. Of course, the spirit in man, and the Holy Spirit are real, but unseen in the natural world. We can know God who is Spirit, but we cannot see Him.
It is my belief that in the beginning not only do we learn of the Spirit of God being present at creation, I believe the evil or unclean spirit was also there in the beginning when God created heaven and the earth. The darkness that existed in the beginning, I believe is a metaphor for the evil spirit symbolized as the serpent that deceived Eve.
Genesis 1:2 (KJV) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Speaking through His prophet, Isaiah, the LORD says, Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Darkness is defined figuratively, misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness:—dark(-ness), night, obscurity.
Since all things in heaven and on the earth are created by God, the darkness and evil are part of all that God created. Darkness and evil were not only created by God, throughout Scripture we find that God uses both to accomplish whatever He purposes. We see this in the garden of Eden where God used the evil spirit serpent to test/try humankind. From the beginning the unseen Spirit of God and the unseen spirit of evil called serpent, Devil and Satan have been in the world to bring eternal life or bring damnation.
Seeing a man you had watched die raised to physical life again! Is there any wonder they at first thought they had seen a ghost/spirit. It is spirit that gives man physical life, our body has limbs, but the spirit of man is unseen. Remember in these early days before receiving power from the Holy Spirit, the disciples had heard differing accounts regarding the resurrection.
Acts 23:8 (KJV) For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.
Angels of God are never fallen demons, devils or Satan or any other unclean evil! They are sent by God to be ministering spirits to heirs of salvation and do the good pleasure of God.
Hebrews 1:13-14 (KJV) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Psalm 103:20-21 (KJV) Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word. Bless ye the LORD, all ye his hosts; ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure.
Daniel 3:28 (KJV) Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
Matthew 18:10 (KJV) Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
Luke 1:19 (KJV) And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
There is not a single verse in Scripture that even hints of Satan being a fallen cherub...whatever that means????
Who can threaten the Devil ? No one can in fact ! such exist like gravity.
Only that this world is full of deceptions and delusions in fact.
If one is truly born again then one has a handel on such workings ! but can we threaten such people who are of this world, No ! we can expose such but I have done so that was clearly invane, for carnal or only religious people are totaly useless to bother with in fact.
The only threats come from such as them in fact.
Behold I send you out amoung the Wolves ! All one can do is not abide with such peoples nonsense.
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