Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

[WPM]

Angels of God are never fallen demons, devils or Satan or any other unclean evil!

They are sent by God to be ministering spirits to heirs of salvation and do the good pleasure of God.

This is simply not true. The Scriptures you present are only describing "the elect angels." We all agree with that.

1Ti 5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

But not all angels are elect. You totally avoid the passages that describe “evil angels. Many angels sided with Satan and fell.

Psa 78:49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.

Here you have another group of “angels” that are definitely not “elect.” They are “evil.”

Jud 1:6 “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”

2 Peter 2:4 closely correlates: “God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Gr. tartaroo], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.”

Hello! These wicked angels are expressly describing "the angels which kept not their first estate" or "the angels that sinned" at the beginning and therefore fell. These are definitely not "elect angels."

Ezekiel 28:12-19: “Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.”

Cherubims are angels, not humans. Here is an angel that is going to be destroyed. This is describing Satan.

Exo 37:9 And the cherubims spread out their wings on high, and covered with their wings over the mercy seat, with their faces one to another; even to the mercy seatward were the faces of the cherubims.

Revelation 12:1-4 shows Satan and his devils being eternally evicted from heaven. Interestingly the demonic angels are depicted as “stars.” It reads: “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon ... And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth.”

In Revelation 12:4, 1/3 of the angels sided with Satan in his rebellion. They sided with him when he fell, and are part of the kingdom of darkness.

Job 38:6-7 tells us, speaking about the beginning of time, “Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”

Revelation 9:1 says: “I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the abyss.”

It seems correct to view the flying star in view here as an elect angel. Remember, the key or authority no longer belongs to Satan. He was defeated. Christ and His angels exercise that now within the invisible realm. We exercise it upon the earth.

It is clear that stars are used by John in Revelation as symbols of angels. A falling star is a common easily-recognized natural symbol that is used in a spiritual way here to describe an elect angel descending from heaven before the end of time to open the pit to release Satan and his demons from their restraint in order to restrict the great commission.

 

[WPM]

I know this! This is how I know that he was NOT created an angel of God and became Satan, the personification of all evil!

What are you talking about?

 

[WPM]

Perhaps it is because the king of Tyrus to fall under the power of Satan is the reason the lamentation is directed to him!

What is the power of Satan? Well:

• Satan was in Eden, the Garden of God (v. 13)
• Satan was an anointed guardian cherub (v. 14)
• Satan was blameless in his ways from the day he was created, till unrighteousness was found in him. (v. 15)
• Satan was proud because of his beauty. He corrupted God’s wisdom for the sake of his own prideful splendour.
• Satan was “the anointed” or “covering cherub” who was laid low by pride and expelled by God from heaven before creation. cast to the ground, with the evil angels (v. 17).

 

[rwb]

This is simply not true. The Scriptures you present are only describing "the elect angels." We all agree with that.

ἄγγελος ángelos, ang'-el-os - a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor:—angel, messenger.

This response clearly shows you have no understanding of how angelos is defined. Wherever this word has been translated angel, we MUST remember this word implies one who is a MESSENGER of God. Messengers of God are spirit beings/angels, or human messengers as we find of John the Baptist, whom Christ always speaks of as His human angelos 'messenger'.

Mt 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mr 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Lu 7:27 This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

The elect angelos are not spirit beings called angels. They are God's elect human MESSENGERS. Those who are the chosen and elect of God for salvation. It is before God, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect body of Christ, human messengers chosen by God, the Church, chosen to be His ambassadors who go unto all the nations of the world building the spiritual Kingdom of God as they preach the gospel and turn many hearts/souls to Christ for everlasting life. The spirits of just men made perfect through the Spirit of Christ in them (Heb 12:22-24).

1 Timothy 5:21 (KJV) I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, [MESSENGERS] that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

Angels are NOT among the elect of God for salvation. The angels of God are not of the chosen elect to be heirs of salvation. The angels are sent by God to be ministering spirits to human heirs of salvation.

Hebrews 1:13-14 (KJV) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Humans, not angels are the elect heirs of salvation, the "children of God".

Romans 8:16-17 (KJV) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

There is no such thing as an "evil angel" of God. Spirits are either of God, called angels sent from heaven, or they are spirits of evil, of their father the Devil called Satan, devils, demons, beasts, ungodly, servants of sin, liars, murderers, wolves in sheep's clothing masquerading as angels of God etc. etc. etc.

Psalms 78 is speaking to the children of Israel who provoked God in the wilderness and grieved Him in the desert. The Psalm tells of how God sent evil messengers, not angels of God, among the nation of old because of their hardness of heart and rebellion against Him. God does this that the nation would return to Him, that the generation to come might learn to praise the LORD.

Psalm 78:2-8 (KJV) I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us. We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done. For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children: That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children: That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments: And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God.

1 Kings 22:21-22 (KJV) And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

Job 1:12 (KJV) And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

The passages from Jude and Peter do not refer to fallen angels, but human messengers who kept not their first estate, and human messengers that sinned. Jude tells us they are those of old ordained to condemnation because they turned the grace of God into lasciviousness, denying God and our Lord Jesus Christ. These of old should have heeded the message from righteous Noah a preacher of righteousness, as they too should have. Instead, they brought condemnation of God upon the whole world, by their ungodly living. Those of old were to be messengers of God's grace, but through covetousness and evil they chose to sin against God, and have been delivered into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment. Only righteous Noah and those with him on the ark were spared from the waters of the flood.

Jude 4 (KJV) For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 2:3-5 (KJV) And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. For if God spared not the MESSENGERS that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

NO! Chreubim are NOT angels of God! And the stars cast down from heaven are NOT angels of God. Neither are the stars mentioned by Job used in poetic prose.

Strong's Hebrew Dictionary
3742. כְּרוּב keruwb (kᵉrûwb)

כְּרוּב kᵉrûwb, ker-oob' - of uncertain derivation; a cherub or imaginary figure:—cherub, (plural) cherubims.

ἄγγελος ángelos, ang'-el-os - a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor:—angel, messenger.

Spirits, whether they are for good or evil are NOT imaginary figures.

The third part of the stars of heaven is symbolic and metaphoric language depicting how the nation of old represented as twelve stars has also fallen away from God's grace, just as they had in the days of Noah. Though Christ, being born or the tribe of Judah, a Jew, was born through the nation, the nation was partly fallen away from God, and only the remnant of them remained righteous before God.

Revelation 12:1-2 (KJV) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Genesis 37:5 (KJV) And Joseph dreamed a dream, and he told it his brethren: and they hated him yet the more.

Genesis 37:9 (KJV) And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

Genesis 37:10 (KJV) And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?

Stars in the Revelation symbolize Israel, and the only Israelite possessing the key of the bottomless pit is Jesus, who is Christ the Lord.

Revelation 9:1 (KJV) And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Matthew 16:17 (KJV) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 16:18-19 (KJV) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Just as the Revelation shows 'stars' represent the nation chosen of old by God, so too since Christ has come the Revelation also shows that stars represent the seven churches chosen and sent by God unto all the world as His MESSENGERS that the Kingdom of God in heaven shall be complete,

Revelation 1:20 (KJV) The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

 

[rwb]

What is the power of Satan? Well:

• Satan was in Eden, the Garden of God (v. 13)
• Satan was an anointed guardian cherub (v. 14)
• Satan was blameless in his ways from the day he was created, till unrighteousness was found in him. (v. 15)
• Satan was proud because of his beauty. He corrupted God’s wisdom for the sake of his own prideful splendour.
• Satan was “the anointed” or “covering cherub” who was laid low by pride and expelled by God from heaven before creation. cast to the ground, with the evil angels (v. 17).

Satan is NOT an anointed cherub! Satan has NEVER been blameless. Scripture shows him to be a liar and murderer from the beginning. Scripture does NOT depict Satan as beautiful. Just as Satan is NOT the anointed cherub, neither is he the covering cherub.

Did you even bother to read the article I posted, or like SI do you simply ignore all the very valid proofs brought forward in the article?

 

[WPM]

Satan is NOT an anointed cherub!

Who was, the king of Tyrus?

Satan has NEVER been blameless.

Says who? You? That means nothing. I showed you the evidence. You cannot explain it.

Scripture shows him to be a liar and murderer from the beginning. Scripture does NOT depict Satan as beautiful. Just as Satan is NOT the anointed cherub, neither is he the covering cherub.

Did you even bother to read the article I posted, or like SI do you simply ignore all the very valid proofs brought forward in the article?

The phase "the beginning" typically refers to the beginning of creation and earth. Just like the regeneration when Jesus comes refers to "the end" of creation and earth as we know it.

No I don't typically read attached articles/links. I am debating with you, not someone else.

 

[rwb]

Ezekiel 28:12-15 (KJV) Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Ezekiel 28:15-17 (KJV) Thou [KING OF TYRUS] wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Where in the lamentation does the message given to king of Tyrus become a lamentation directed to Satan?

 

[rwb]

Who was, the king of Tyrus?

A man of flesh & bones, chosen by God to be king!

 

[WPM]

Satan is NOT an anointed cherub! Satan has NEVER been blameless. Scripture shows him to be a liar and murderer from the beginning. Scripture does NOT depict Satan as beautiful. Just as Satan is NOT the anointed cherub, neither is he the covering cherub.

Did you even bother to read the article I posted, or like SI do you simply ignore all the very valid proofs brought forward in the article?

• You make Satan out to be as eternal as God is.
• You make God the source of evil.
• You make God out to unrighteously advocate that Satan, demons and evil were (and obviously still are) "very good."

 

[rwb]

Tyrus in the Bible: Unveiling the Identity and Significance of this Mysterious Figure​

Tyrus in the Bible

Tyrus, also known as Tyre, was a significant city-state in ancient Phoenicia located on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea. This city plays a prominent role in the Bible, particularly in the prophecies of Ezekiel and Isaiah.

In Ezekiel 26-28, the prophet Ezekiel issues a series of prophecies against Tyrus for its pride and arrogance. He foretells the city’s destruction and downfall, emphasizing how its wealth and power will be brought low by the hand of God. The downfall of Tyre is described vividly, with details about the city being cast into the sea and becoming a place for fishermen to spread their nets.

Isaiah also mentions Tyre in his prophecies (Isaiah 23), predicting its eventual desolation and degradation. The city, once known for its commercial prowess and maritime trade, would see its glory fade away as punishment for its sinful ways.

Historically, Tyre was a wealthy and influential city due to its strategic location and flourishing trade networks. It was a hub for commerce and maritime activities, known for its purple dye production and skilled sailors. However, its prosperity also led to pride and idolatry, which ultimately contributed to its downfall as prophesied in the Bible.

Despite its prominence in the biblical narrative as a symbol of worldly wealth and arrogance, Tyre also serves as a reminder of God’s sovereignty and judgment. The prophecies against Tyre demonstrate the consequences of disobedience and hubris, highlighting the importance of humility and obedience to God’s will.

 

[rwb]

• You make Satan out to be as eternal as God is.
• You make God the source of evil.
• You make God out to unrighteously advocate that Satan, demons and evil were (and obviously still are) "very good."

Now your being ridiculous! God uses both good and evil to accomplish whatsoever He ordains. It is you, not I who keeps insisting Satan was created a GOOD ANGEL of God and became evil Satan! However, this doctrine cannot hold up to the scrutiny of the Bible.

 

[WPM]

ἄγγελος ángelos, ang'-el-os - a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor:—angel, messenger.

This response clearly shows you have no understanding of how angelos is defined. Wherever this word has been translated angel, we MUST remember this word implies one who is a MESSENGER of God. Messengers of God are spirit beings/angels, or human messengers as we find of John the Baptist, whom Christ always speaks of as His human angelos 'messenger'.

Mt 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mr 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Lu 7:27 This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

The elect angelos are not spirit beings called angels. They are God's elect human MESSENGERS. Those who are the chosen and elect of God for salvation. It is before God, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect body of Christ, human messengers chosen by God, the Church, chosen to be His ambassadors who go unto all the nations of the world building the spiritual Kingdom of God as they preach the gospel and turn many hearts/souls to Christ for everlasting life. The spirits of just men made perfect through the Spirit of Christ in them (Heb 12:22-24).

1 Timothy 5:21 (KJV) I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, [MESSENGERS] that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

Angels are NOT among the elect of God for salvation. The angels of God are not of the chosen elect to be heirs of salvation. The angels are sent by God to be ministering spirits to human heirs of salvation.

Hebrews 1:13-14 (KJV) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Humans, not angels are the elect heirs of salvation, the "children of God".

Romans 8:16-17 (KJV) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

There is no such thing as an "evil angel" of God. Spirits are either of God, called angels sent from heaven, or they are spirits of evil, of their father the Devil called Satan, devils, demons, beasts, ungodly, servants of sin, liars, murderers, wolves in sheep's clothing masquerading as angels of God etc. etc. etc.

Psalms 78 is speaking to the children of Israel who provoked God in the wilderness and grieved Him in the desert. The Psalm tells of how God sent evil messengers, not angels of God, among the nation of old because of their hardness of heart and rebellion against Him. God does this that the nation would return to Him, that the generation to come might learn to praise the LORD.

Psalm 78:2-8 (KJV) I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us. We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done. For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children: That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children: That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments: And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God.

1 Kings 22:21-22 (KJV) And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

Job 1:12 (KJV) And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

The passages from Jude and Peter do not refer to fallen angels, but human messengers who kept not their first estate, and human messengers that sinned. Jude tells us they are those of old ordained to condemnation because they turned the grace of God into lasciviousness, denying God and our Lord Jesus Christ. These of old should have heeded the message from righteous Noah a preacher of righteousness, as they too should have. Instead, they brought condemnation of God upon the whole world, by their ungodly living. Those of old were to be messengers of God's grace, but through covetousness and evil they chose to sin against God, and have been delivered into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment. Only righteous Noah and those with him on the ark were spared from the waters of the flood.

Jude 4 (KJV) For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 2:3-5 (KJV) And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. For if God spared not the MESSENGERS that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

NO! Chreubim are NOT angels of God! And the stars cast down from heaven are NOT angels of God. Neither are the stars mentioned by Job used in poetic prose.

Strong's Hebrew Dictionary
3742. כְּרוּב keruwb (kᵉrûwb)

כְּרוּב kᵉrûwb, ker-oob' - of uncertain derivation; a cherub or imaginary figure:—cherub, (plural) cherubims.

ἄγγελος ángelos, ang'-el-os - a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor:—angel, messenger.

Spirits, whether they are for good or evil are NOT imaginary figures.

The third part of the stars of heaven is symbolic and metaphoric language depicting how the nation of old represented as twelve stars has also fallen away from God's grace, just as they had in the days of Noah. Though Christ, being born or the tribe of Judah, a Jew, was born through the nation, the nation was partly fallen away from God, and only the remnant of them remained righteous before God.

Revelation 12:1-2 (KJV) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Genesis 37:5 (KJV) And Joseph dreamed a dream, and he told it his brethren: and they hated him yet the more.

Genesis 37:9 (KJV) And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

Genesis 37:10 (KJV) And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?

Stars in the Revelation symbolize Israel, and the only Israelite possessing the key of the bottomless pit is Jesus, who is Christ the Lord.

Revelation 9:1 (KJV) And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Matthew 16:17 (KJV) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 16:18-19 (KJV) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Just as the Revelation shows 'stars' represent the nation chosen of old by God, so too since Christ has come the Revelation also shows that stars represent the seven churches chosen and sent by God unto all the world as His MESSENGERS that the Kingdom of God in heaven shall be complete,

Revelation 1:20 (KJV) The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

My previous post rebuts this.

 

[WPM]

Now your being ridiculous! God uses both good and evil to accomplish whatsoever He ordains. It is you, not I who keeps insisting Satan was created a GOOD ANGEL of God and became evil Satan! However, this doctrine cannot hold up to the scrutiny of the Bible.

Wrong! You make God out to be a liar. He did not make evil or evil angels, they chose that by rebelling against the voice of Good. It was the same with man.

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

There you have it. You disagree! You are wrong!

 

[rwb]

Wrong! You make God out to be a liar. He did not make evil or evil angels, they chose that by rebelling against the voice of Good. It was the same with man.

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

There you have it.

Why is all that God created called "very good" since darkness was not obliterated, but divided from the light?

 

[WPM]

Why is all that God created called "very good" since darkness was not obliterated, but divided from the light?

Natural darkness is not evil. It is simply the absence of natural light. Spiritual darkness is different. It is wicked. It is evil. It comes through rebelling against the voice of God.

 

[rwb]

Natural darkness is not evil. It is simply the absence of natural light. Spiritual darkness is different. It is wicked. It is evil. It comes through rebelling against the voice of God.

Where can I find these terms "natural darkness" or "spiritual darkness" in the Bible? The text simply tells us the darkness covered the face of the deep, before God said, "Let there be light". Before calling the darkness night and the light day. Also why does Isaiah tell us that God did create both darkness and evil? God forms, did create the light and darkness, peace and evil!

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There is not a single verse in Scripture that even hints of Satan being a fallen cherub...whatever that means????

Tell me who the fallen cherub of Ezekiel 28 is, if not Satan then. Are you going to try to insist that cherubim are human beings and that this particular cherub was a human being created perfect in all his ways? You know that's not true.

 

[WPM]

The third part of the stars of heaven is symbolic and metaphoric language depicting how the nation of old represented as twelve stars has also fallen away from God's grace, just as they had in the days of Noah. Though Christ, being born or the tribe of Judah, a Jew, was born through the nation, the nation was partly fallen away from God, and only the remnant of them remained righteous before God...


Stars in the Revelation symbolize Israel,

You are making it up as you go now to support your error. It is hard to take your posts serious.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Where can I find these terms "natural darkness" or "spiritual darkness" in the Bible? The text simply tells us the darkness covered the face of the deep, before God said, "Let there be light". Before calling the darkness night and the light day. Also why does Isaiah tell us that God did create both darkness and evil? God forms, did create the light and darkness, peace and evil!

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

It's obviously referring to physical light and darkness. I don't know what causes you to miss simple things like this, but you really need to ask God for wisdom about these things (James 1:5-7).

 

[WPM]

Where can I find these terms "natural darkness" or "spiritual darkness" in the Bible? The text simply tells us the darkness covered the face of the deep, before God said, "Let there be light". Before calling the darkness night and the light day. Also why does Isaiah tell us that God did create both darkness and evil? God forms, did create the light and darkness, peace and evil!

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

This is where you have arrived at! You are now claiming there is no such thing as "natural darkness" or "spiritual darkness" in the Bible. Get real!

Hello! He made angels and man with the ability to do evil. He in no way is the author of that. Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: