What is the reason for the strange transition in Matthew 10?

[shepherdsword]

Mt 10:1-16 starts out with Jesus sending the disciples out two by two on a mission in their time. He tells them to heal the sick, raise the dead ect..
However, there is a strange transition to what looks like the end times in vs 17-33. What is your view on this?

 

[Adventageous]

Mt 10:1-16 starts out with Jesus sending the disciples out two by two on a mission in their time. He tells them to heal the sick, raise the dead ect..
However, there is a strange transition to what looks like the end times in vs 17-33. What is your view on this?

Ecc. 1:9, 3:15 KJB.

 

[soberxp]

Mt 10:1-16 starts out with Jesus sending the disciples out two by two on a mission in their time. He tells them to heal the sick, raise the dead ect..
However, there is a strange transition to what looks like the end times in vs 17-33. What is your view on this?

Mt 10:1-16
Described their mission.
O
vs 17-33
It described the situation and difficulties they were to face.

 

[shepherdsword]

Mt 10:1-16
Described their mission.
O
vs 17-33
It described the situation and difficulties they were to face.

They didn't experience the situations in 17-33 on that mission....that came later and seems to extend to the latter days

 

[Bob]

Thank you for the post.

To invoke a game analogy, V. 1-16 are the coach’s instructions for strategy and tactics, whereas the remainder of the chapter concerns mental preparation. If the latter verses strike you as “end-of-times” language, it is because Jesus was preparing them for the Game of Life, in which the opponents ignore all rules of decency, etc. (i.e., the Law of the Jungle).

Blessings.

 

[Wick Stick]

They didn't experience the situations in 17-33 on that mission....that came later and seems to extend to the latter days

It looks to me like the mission He sent them on lasted the rest of their lives.

I don't find the transition to be awkward, here. It's (a) I'm sending you, (b) here are some hardships you will face, and (c) here is the condemnation for those who reject you. Those thoughts seem to flow together ok.

 

[rwb]

Mt 10:1-16 starts out with Jesus sending the disciples out two by two on a mission in their time. He tells them to heal the sick, raise the dead ect..
However, there is a strange transition to what looks like the end times in vs 17-33. What is your view on this?

Matthew 10:16-23 (KJV) Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Matthew 16:24-28 (KJV) Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

It seems that Christ leaves nothing to be imagined for those who take the gospel of the Kingdom of God unto the world. The truth is that many/most in the world will hate and persecute those who faithfully proclaim the name of Christ and His Kingdom. Because the Kingdom of God that Christ came with is not a physical or visible Kingdom but a spiritual Kingdom that shall be within faithful saints.

The twelve disciples Christ was addressing could not understand the coming of the Son of man in His Kingdom before the cross and resurrection. The power Christ gave them was that they through preaching had the ability to cast out unclean spirits and heal all manner of sickness and disease, but that was not how they would know what Christ meant when He tells them He has come in the Kingdom of God that is not of this world because His Kingdom is spiritual and within them. Christ equipped them with this power to confirm the Word they were to preach of Christ and His Kingdom.

He warns them of impending death, but reminds them that they are His ambassadors, chosen to take His Word to man, that through them more disciples would follow in their footsteps and the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven would be built. He tells them to flee rather than be killed, but still some of them will be killed even before preaching His Word to all the cities of Israel, which would be before the Son of man shall come. Clearly, Christ has already come in power, so what does He mean some would not taste death till the Son of man comes in His Kingdom?

Christ has come to man in physical form but that man of faith might know and through His Spirit enter the Kingdom of God in heaven, Christ must come to them is SPIRITUAL form through His Holy Spirit. That would not be until after He made atonement for sin and defeated death by His cross and resurrection.

These early disciples will not have gone unto all the cities of Israel before the Son of man came to them through His Spirit because they would be martyred before finishing the task. But that would not prevent them from knowing the Kingdom of God has come to them. Because not even death can keep faithful saints of Christ from inheriting eternal life with Christ in the Kingdom of God in heaven. Some of them who would not die will know before death that the Son of man has come in the SPIRITUAL Kingdom of God through the power of the Holy Spirit that Christ shall come to them in.

John 14:16-18 (KJV) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

 

[shepherdsword]

It looks to me like the mission He sent them on lasted the rest of their lives.

They returned after that mission.

I don't find the transition to be awkward, here. It's (a) I'm sending you,

Yep

(b) here are some hardships you will face, and (c) here is the condemnation for those who reject you. Those thoughts seem to flow together ok.

They weren't taken before kings and such on that mission. I find it awkward that there was no real clarification between the temporary mission in vs 1-16 and the latter day persecutions in v 17-33.

 

[Wick Stick]

They returned after that mission.

Yep

They weren't taken before kings and such on that mission. I find it awkward that there was no real clarification between the temporary mission in vs 1-16 and the latter day persecutions in v 17-33.

Where are you finding where the mission here ended? I don't see it in this chapter

 

[marks]

Mt 10:1-16 starts out with Jesus sending the disciples out two by two on a mission in their time. He tells them to heal the sick, raise the dead ect..
However, there is a strange transition to what looks like the end times in vs 17-33. What is your view on this?

Try this . . .

Matthew 10

Matthew 10:5-42 KJV 5) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7) And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at...

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Much love!

 

[ScottA]

Mt 10:1-16 starts out with Jesus sending the disciples out two by two on a mission in their time. He tells them to heal the sick, raise the dead ect..
However, there is a strange transition to what looks like the end times in vs 17-33. What is your view on this?

Oh, I see...you are thinking that because Jesus said "For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes" in verse 23, that He was referring to a time in the distant future. He was not.

Jesus was speaking to the twelve of things that would come in their lifetime--including His return!

Which is NOT what has been taught or believed. This is the "strong delusion" spoken of by Paul, the result of the "false teachers" bringing in "destructive doctrines" foretold by Peter.

Because you have now discovered it--what will you do--will you now believe? This I ask of all who read of it.

 

[marks]

Oh, I see...you are thinking that because Jesus said "For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes" in verse 23, that He was referring to a time in the distant future. He was not.

Jesus was speaking to the twelve of things that would come in their lifetime--including His return!

Which is NOT what has been taught or believed. This is the "strong delusion" spoken of by Paul, the result of the "false teachers" bringing in "destructive doctrines" foretold by Peter.

Because you have now discovered it--what will you do--will you now believe? This I ask of all who read of it.

I recommend compare the wordings in this chapter to the various times I've noted, to see the harmony. Jesus' words will be fulfilled, as they were not in that time. They will be in the time to come.

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

I recommend compare the wordings in this chapter to the various times I've noted, to see the harmony. Jesus' words will be fulfilled, as they were not in that time. They will be in the time to come.

Much love!

Would you mind quoting those specific events you listed that you see as "in the time to come?" This is important to take point by point.

Thank you!

 

[shepherdsword]

Oh, I see...you are thinking that because Jesus said "For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes" in verse 23, that He was referring to a time in the distant future. He was not.

Jesus was speaking to the twelve of things that would come in their lifetime--including His return!

Which is NOT what has been taught or believed. This is the "strong delusion" spoken of by Paul, the result of the "false teachers" bringing in "destructive doctrines" foretold by Peter.

Because you have now discovered it--what will you do--will you now believe? This I ask of all who read of it.

That would still be a transition for the temporary mission of 2 by 2s into one post crucifixion would it not?

 

[shepherdsword]

Try this . . .

Matthew 10

Matthew 10:5-42 KJV 5) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7) And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at...

www.christianityboard.com

Much love!

Yeah, I see that but they all seem to run together

 

[marks]

Would you mind quoting those specific times you listed that you see as "in the time to come?" This is important to take point by point.

Thank you!

As I showed in the other thread.

I am of course referring to temporal time.

Much love!

 

[shepherdsword]

Where are you finding where the mission here ended? I don't see it in this chapter

Do you think they were sent out 2 by 2s on a permanent mission pre-resurrection? They obviously had to return and finish their training before Christ died.

 

[marks]

Yeah, I see that but they all seen to run together

Yes they do. Just the same, the very same words are used regarding the different times in which these are fulfilled. As I see it.

The fact is that the disciples returned but not having been brought before kings and such. Jesus gave it as a single set of instructions, only, the entire set of instructions simply cannot be applied to the mission for which Jesus sent them.

Much love!

 

[soberxp]

That would still be a transition for the temporary mission of 2 by 2s into one post crucifixion would it not?

I once saw a vision in which the ones sent by Jesus Christ included both a man and a woman, and in that vision, there were not only twelve male disciples.

Thus, I have also been curious whether the vision I saw aligns with the Bible, as it seems to me that the Bible only mentions twelve male disciples.

 

[shepherdsword]

Yes they do. Just the same, the very same words are used regarding the different times in which these are fulfilled. As I see it.

Much love!

Yeah I agree they span different times.