Could Ezekiel 37, 38 and 39 all be post millennial?

[Douggg]

@Douggg , OTOH, thinks he has the solution to bail out Amil though he is Premil.

No, nothing I wrote bails out the Amil view.

Which would mean if @Douggg is correct, Amil can still work since no aftermath involving the 2nd coming is required.

What are you talking about ?

Jesus returns in Revelation 19, then there is the millennium.

Except @Douggg couldn't possibly be correct since there is no passage/s in the NT even remotely hinting that someone is burning weapons for 7 years,

Why does there have to be a passage in the NT about burning of weapons instead of wood for 7 years ?

The part of the weapons that will be burned is the wooden stocks and fore grips of the rifles that the soldiers of Gog's army will use. Not all of them, but enough to provide a 7 year supply for burning in stoves and heaters.

 

[Davidpt]

I wrote the feast on the dead (by the birds) in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the same feast (by the birds) in Revelation 19:17-18.

The feast (by the birds) on the dead of Gog's army in Ezekiel 39:4 will be 7 years earlier.

My bad. I'm sorry. You are correct. Now I recall what the issue was in the past. The issue wasn't you denying that Ezekiel 39:17-20 and Revelation 19 are the same event. The issue is that you don't agree that Ezekiel 39:4 is the same event as Ezekiel 39:17-20 nor Revelation 19. Therefore, equals 2 feasting birds events rather than one. Like I have been saying all along. At least I got that part right. One 7 years earlier. Another one 7 years later. The first one--Ezekiel 39:4. The 2nd one Ezekiel 39:17-20 / Revelation 19.


Ezekiel 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.


As if Ezekiel 39:17-20 is not referring to the same event. That it is absurd.

Ezekiel 39:17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.


Come on now, both involve falling upon the mountains of Israel. Both involve someone and all men of war being given to the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. Exactly like depicted in Revelation 19 as well, since those too are meaning all men of war. But we are to believe these are different events separated by 7 years in verse 4 and verses 17-20? Yeah, right. Maybe you haven't realized by now that oftentimes the prophets in the OT are all over the place, thus not being chronological throughout. And sometimes showing the same events from different angles.

There are not 2 battles in these chapters. There is only one battle. If you insist there are 2 battles in Ezekiel 38-39 separated by 7 years, then prove it with the NT.

 

[Zao is life]

Really close on this Douggg!

Very few Christians include Israel or show an understanding the reference to Gog-Magog applies to pre and post-mill

Re Ezek 39:9 Seven is the number of the covenant and appears here to point to the covenant that ensures a millennium of peace. In preparation for this, seven years will be devoted to repairing the ravages of war. During this period, Christ will likely consolidate his power in Israel and issue an ultimatum to the nations: to submit voluntarily to his rule or face the consequences.

It's only the timing of the Lords return which we could discuss.

Ezekiel 39 and Revelation 19

--- 17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord God. ---

--- 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. ---

Ezekiel 39 and Revelation 20

--- 6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord. ---

--- 9 and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. ---

(Followed by Satan being thrown into the LoF and the GWT judgment)

Copy @Davidpt There is only one Day of Judgment mentioned in scripture, not two:

"God has set A DAY on which he is going to judge the world in righteousness, by a man whom he designated, having provided proof to everyone by raising him from the dead." (Acts 17:31).

THE PROPHET DANIEL:

Daniel 12:2
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

THE APOSTLE PAUL:

Acts 24:15
"And I have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust."

JESUS:

John 5:26-29
"For as the Father hath life [zoe] in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life [zoe] in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Matthew 25:31-33, 41 & 46
31 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels."

46 "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal [aionios zoe]."

THE REVELATION:

Revelation 11:17-18 (seventh trumpet)
"We give you thanks, Lord God, the All-Powerful, the one who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and begun to reign. The nations were enraged, but your wrath has come, and the time has come for the dead to be judged,

and the time has come to give to your servants, the prophets, their reward, as well as to the saints and to those who revere your name, both small and great, and the time has come to destroy those who destroy the earth."

Revelation 20:11-12, & 15
"I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

--- "For as the Father hath life [zoe] in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life [zoe] in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. -- John 5:26-29 ---

13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each one was judged according to his deeds.

Either:

(a) Those who rebel following Satan's release are immortal humans who had become apostate, OR
(b) Amil.

The last three chapters of the Bible are a reflection of the first three chapters of the Bible:​

First three chapters: Beginning of time: God's creation (Genesis 1:1-31).
Last three chapters: Christ makes all things new (Revelation 21:5).

First three chapters: Perfectly good (Genesis 1:31).
Last three chapters: Only righteousness dwells in it (Revelation 21:27).

First three chapters: Tree of life (Genesis 2:9, 16-17).
Last three chapters: Tree of life (Revelation 21:6; Revelation 22:1-2, 14, 17).

First three chapters: Adam given dominion (Genesis 1:26-28).
Last three chapters: The dominion of the last Adam (Revelation 20:4 - also see Revelation 3:21).

First three chapters: Satan's deception:​

(a) Satan's deception of Adam & Eve (which began with the words "You will NOT surely die" - Genesis 3:1-7, 11-19).

-- in Adam all mankind failed the test --​

(b) Expulsion from Eden (Genesis 3:22-24).

(c) Death of Adam (the first death) - 930 years later (Genesis 5:5).

IN-BETWEEN THE FIRST THREE CHAPTERS AND THE LAST THREE CHAPTERS:

--- "I am the Resurrection [anastasis]
and the (eternal) life [zoe]!" (John 11:25 - Jesus) ---

Last three chapters: Satan's deception:​

(a) Satan's deception of the nations descended from Adam & Eve.

-- one part of mankind descended from Adam and Eve failed the test --​

and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." (Revelation 20:7-9).

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night to the ages of the ages." (Revelation 20:7-10).

JESUS:

"Fear not them which kill the body [soma], but are not able to kill the soul [psuche]: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul [psuche] and body [soma] in gehennah [G1067 geenna]." -- Matthew 10:28.

The New Testament uses the word gehennah every time Jesus talks about the everlasting destruction of body and soul. In Mark 9:43 & 45 Jesus calls it "the fire that shall never be quenched". Gehennah and the lake of fire burning with brimstone both represent an everlasting destruction of body and soul.

Revelation 19:20 (previous chapter) tells us that the beast and the false prophet were both thrown alive [zao] into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. The concept of being damned while alive [zao] is not extra-biblical or alien to scripture.

Either:

(a) Those who rebel following Satan's release are immortal humans who had become apostate, OR
(b) Amil.

 

[shepherdsword]

My view of the 2nd resurrection is this. It is the resurrection unto damnation. How can it not be? The text tells us that it is only those that have part in the first resurrection, that the 2nd death has no power over them. The 2nd death is obviously involving the LOF. Right? And nowhere in Revelation 20 does it ever say that the rest of the dead that don't live again until the thousand years expire, that on some of them the 2nd death has no power over, either. Nor does it say some of them are blessed. Therefore, no one in the first resurrection camp can also be included in the 2nd resurrection camp, and vice versa. And that Ezekiel 37 couldn't possibly be referring to anyone that will be cast into the LOF.

I understand where you are coming from. I held that same view for years. However, does the 2nd resurrection's lack of the blessing on the first mean that no one in it is found in the book of life?

 

[Hiddenthings]

"God has set A DAY on which he is going to judge the world in righteousness, by a man whom he designated, having provided proof to everyone by raising him from the dead." (Acts 17:31).

From the Greek histēmi, meaning “to stand,” comes the sense of being “established”. The divine purpose has fixed “a set time to favour Zion” (Ps 102:13) a predetermined conclusion to the long human dominion foretold by Daniel (Dan 2:44) and Ezekiel (Ezek 38:16). This “day” is imminent and is described by Zephaniah as the “day of Yahweh” (Zech 1:7, 14, and throughout).

The context of the second judgment, which takes place at the second resurrection, is not tied to the epoch leading up to the first resurrection, but rather to the conclusion of the following epoch, the Millennial age.

Rev 20:5 is super clear on this!

 

[soberxp]

39:23
And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

This passage seems to describe current and future events.

But it seems that similar incidents have occurred many times in Israel's history.


以西结书 39:27
我在许多国的民眼前，在他们身上显为圣的时候，他们要担当自己的羞辱和干犯我的一切罪。
When I am made holy before the eyes of many nations, and when I am manifested as the Holy One among them, they will bear their own shame and all the sins they have committed against me.


However, in the Chinese version of the Bible, the translation of this passage is quite different from that in the English version.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I wrote the feast on the dead (by the birds) in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the same feast (by the birds) in Revelation 19:17-18.

The feast (by the birds) on the dead of Gog's army in Ezekiel 39:4 will be 7 years earlier.

I'm wondering if you have that section in Ezekiel 39:17-20 completely wrong.

What do you think verse 17 "Unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field" represents?

 

[Zao is life]

From the Greek histēmi, meaning “to stand,” comes the sense of being “established”. The divine purpose has fixed “a set time to favour Zion” (Ps 102:13) a predetermined conclusion to the long human dominion foretold by Daniel (Dan 2:44) and Ezekiel (Ezek 38:16). This “day” is imminent and is described by Zephaniah as the “day of Yahweh” (Zech 1:7, 14, and throughout).

The context of the second judgment, which takes place at the second resurrection, is not tied to the epoch leading up to the first resurrection, but rather to the conclusion of the following epoch, the Millennial age.

Rev 20:5 is super clear on this!

The word for "day" is hemera [G2250]:

Greek Concordance: ἡμέραν (hēmeran) -- 58 Occurrences

biblehub.com

but you're correct it could be referring to a period of days:

In those days [hemera] John the Baptist came into the wilderness of Judea proclaiming,

Rev 20:5 isn't super clear because the first part of the verse ("the rest of the dead did not live again until.. ") does not exist in any of the older manuscripts

New Jerusalem is prepared as a bride adorned for her husband in Rev 21 and also has made herself ready in Rev 19.
Those who came out of great tribulation seen in Rev 7 are promised the same things as those in New Jerusalem in Rev 21:

The throne of God is among them, and all tears will be wiped from their eyes. (Revelation 7:13-17).
Jesus said "It is done" when the 7th bowl of wrath was poured out.
Jesus said "It is done" when He said "I make all things new" in Rev 21.
The resurrection of the body; and immortality; and "no more death" go hand in glove together:

"When this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." (1 Corinthians 15:54 - Paul was writing to the Corinthians about the resurrection of the body from the dead).

"God will wipe away all tears from their eyes. And there will be no m

"THE REMAINDER OF THE DEAD" (Revelation 20:5a):

------------------ --------------------
"but the remainder [G3062 loipoy] of the dead did not live again
until the thousand years were finished." (Revelation 20:5a).
------------------ --------------------​

1. The above words are not found in the Bible’s oldest Greek manuscript of the Revelation, the Codex Sinaiticus. Nor are they found in the oldest Aramaic manuscript, the Khabouris Codex.

2. The words are listed as spurious in Tischendorf "List of spurious texts".

3. The words appear to contradict the scriptures that talk about a day when the dead are raised:

"God has set A DAY on which he is going to judge the world in righteousness, by a man whom he designated, having provided proof to everyone by raising him from the dead." (Acts 17:31).

There's nothing that's super clear, IMO.

 

[Douggg]

I'm wondering if you have that section in Ezekiel 39:17-20 completely wrong.

What do you think verse 17 "Unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field" represents?

I think it is referring to all types of birds and wild animals that are carnivores.

 

[ScottA]

Could Ezekiel 37, 38 and 39 all be post millennial?​

In a manner of speaking--yes.

Unfortunately, most prefer not to "rightly divide" what is stated in the scriptures from God's perspective, from what pertains to the times of this world--not until forever comes upon them.

But for those who will receive it: "millennium"...or rather "a thousand years" in the scriptures is synonymous for "time" or "times" or the fullness thereof. By which your question then "rightly" reads:

Could Ezekiel 37, 38, and 39 all be post (after) time?​

The answer of which, again, is-- Yes, in a manner of speaking. Which is to say that many/most will not become aware of such things were actually "before the foundation of the world", until after. That is what unbelief does--it puts off the truth until one is ready to receive it or dies.

As for when those events do occur within the times of this world--in the fullness of time--everything pertaining to Israel end ended at the cross ("It is finished").

 

[TribulationSigns]

It proves that nothing in Ezekiel 38-39 can be meaning during satan's little season.

Yes it does. The battle of Armageddon is the short season of Satan, which I believe is taking place now, if you have spiritual discernment like I do.

Plus it clearly debunks Amil

Not at all!

since they have no place to fit the following verse if they are correct that satan's little season precedes the 2nd coming.

Your entire objection rests on an assumption, not proof. Because you’ve already decided your framework is correct, you’re blind to the inconsistencies in your own reasoning. That’s not exegesis—that’s presupposition.

Ezekiel 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

I don’t think you—or many others—have fully considered what I wrote earlier elsewhere regarding how the children of the congregation have turned their plowshares and pruning hooks back into swords. In Ezekiel 39, the weapons mentioned signify a spiritual conflict against God and His Faithful Saints rather than a merely physical battle.

The prophecy says these weapons will be burned for seven years. God did not talk about seven literal years as you think. In Scripture, the number seven often represents completeness or totality—something brought to its full and final conclusion.

Therefore, the meaning is that this spiritual conflict against God will be completely and permanently brought to an end. The burning of the weapons symbolizes the total destruction of rebellion. In God’s eternal Kingdom, there will be no more warfare, no more resistance, and no more learning of conflict—because it will be finished once and for all.

Selah!

 

[TribulationSigns]

The bible does not go into detail about the weapons of the armies that will gather at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus. Since we are living in the end times, we should have a good idea of what modern day weapons of war are.

Ridiculous! Your reasoning is deeply flawed. Are you suggesting that God hid the true meaning of Ezekiel 38–39 until the invention of modern weapons? That turns biblical interpretation into newspaper exegesis. The text must define its own symbols—otherwise we’re not interpreting Scripture, we’re projecting onto it.

In Revelation 19:19, it does refer to armies - but not the specific weapons.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Wow. You speak as though the mere mention of “armies” settles the matter—but you haven’t established who these armies actually are. Revelation is a book of signs and symbols (Revelation 1:1). To suddenly insist that these “armies” must be literal military forces, while ignoring the symbolic nature of the book, is inconsistent interpretation.

Your interpretation assumes geopolitical nations and modern military coalitions—but Revelation itself does not support that conclusion.

The beast is not a lineup of modern nation-states preparing for conventional warfare. Scripture identifies the end-time deception as the working of false christs and false prophets (Matthew 24:24). Revelation 16:13–14 shows unclean spirits proceeding from the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet—spirits of deception gathering the kings of the earth. That is spiritual seduction, not military mobilization. This is how the false prophets and christs got into the Church and deceive many people of the congregation who have not yet sealed by God, Revelation 9.

The “kings of the earth” are those who commit spiritual fornication with the whore (Revelation 17:2). They align themselves with apostasy. The beast represents the collective body of false christs and false prophets, and those deceived by them, united in rebellion. Revelation 13:7 makes it clear HOW they wage war: “It was given unto him to make war with the saints.” The target is God’s faithful people—not geopolitical borders of Israel in the Middle East.

Revelation 20:9 says they surrounded “the camp of the saints.” That is persecution of the faithful church everywhere on Earth! Acts 9:4 reminds us that to attack Christ’s people is to attack Christ Himself. That is how they “make war with the Lamb” (Revelation 17:14).

And how does Christ end this battle? “With the sword of his mouth” (Revelation 19:15). Hebrews 4:12 defines that sword as the Word of God. Paul confirms it: “Whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming” (2 Thessalonians 2:8).

To insist this must refer to modern military weaponry is to ignore the symbolic nature of Revelation (Revelation 1:1) and the consistent biblical warning about false christs and false prophets leading a global deception. The war is spiritual. The weapons are deception and persecution. The defeat comes by the authoritative Word of Christ at His appearing.

Anything else is reading headlines and...ahem creating drawing charts into apocalyptic imagery rather than letting Scripture interpret itself.

 

[soberxp]

Ridiculous! Your reasoning is deeply flawed. Are you suggesting that God hid the true meaning of Ezekiel 38–39 until the invention of modern weapons? That turns biblical interpretation into newspaper exegesis. The text must define its own symbols—otherwise we’re not interpreting Scripture, we’re projecting onto it.



Wow. You speak as though the mere mention of “armies” settles the matter—but you haven’t established who these armies actually are. Revelation is a book of signs and symbols (Revelation 1:1). To suddenly insist that these “armies” must be literal military forces, while ignoring the symbolic nature of the book, is inconsistent interpretation.

Your interpretation assumes geopolitical nations and modern military coalitions—but Revelation itself does not support that conclusion.

The beast is not a lineup of modern nation-states preparing for conventional warfare. Scripture identifies the end-time deception as the working of false christs and false prophets (Matthew 24:24). Revelation 16:13–14 shows unclean spirits proceeding from the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet—spirits of deception gathering the kings of the earth. That is spiritual seduction, not military mobilization. This is how the false prophets and christs got into the Church and deceive many people of the congregation who have not yet sealed by God, Revelation 9.

The “kings of the earth” are those who commit spiritual fornication with the whore (Revelation 17:2). They align themselves with apostasy. The beast represents the collective body of false christs and false prophets, and those deceived by them, united in rebellion. Revelation 13:7 makes it clear HOW they wage war: “It was given unto him to make war with the saints.” The target is God’s faithful people—not geopolitical borders of Israel in the Middle East.

Revelation 20:9 says they surrounded “the camp of the saints.” That is persecution of the faithful church everywhere on Earth! Acts 9:4 reminds us that to attack Christ’s people is to attack Christ Himself. That is how they “make war with the Lamb” (Revelation 17:14).

And how does Christ end this battle? “With the sword of his mouth” (Revelation 19:15). Hebrews 4:12 defines that sword as the Word of God. Paul confirms it: “Whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming” (2 Thessalonians 2:8).

To insist this must refer to modern military weaponry is to ignore the symbolic nature of Revelation (Revelation 1:1) and the consistent biblical warning about false christs and false prophets leading a global deception. The war is spiritual. The weapons are deception and persecution. The defeat comes by the authoritative Word of Christ at His appearing.

Anything else is reading headlines and...ahem creating drawing charts into apocalyptic imagery rather than letting Scripture interpret itself.

He might be referring to a spiritual battle.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 38: 5 references what would be considered specific nations.

No, your interpretation is incorrect. In this passage, God is not referring to modern political nations with geographic borders. The term “nations” often translates the Greek word ethnē, which commonly means Gentiles—that is, those who are not part of God’s covenant people. In the New Testament context, this refers to those who are not spiritually united to Christ.

So the contrast is not about countries, but about spiritual identity. “Nations” represents those outside of Christ—those who have not been reconciled to God and therefore stand opposed to His kingdom (see Ephesians 2:11–13; Philippians 3:3; Romans 2:28–29).

 

[TribulationSigns]

He might be referring to a spiritual battle.

Show me where he said that.

 

[Davidpt]

I think it is referring to all types of birds and wild animals that are carnivores.

Douggg, do you not see that Gog and his multitude are undeniably men of war? And that the house of Israel then burns their weapons. Can you not see in Ezekiel 39:20 that God destroys all men of war at that time? Men of war without weapons, though? How could they have any weapons if they have all been burned? What was accomplished by burning these weapons for 7 years if there are still other men of war with some weapons of their own?

Why don't you at least want to be logical about things? Regardless what it might look like to burn weapons, it obviously means so that no one will have weapons of war from that point on. Otherwise, what exactly was accomplished? How can Isaiah 2:4 begin to be fulfilled before there is first no more man-made weapons that nations can use on each other?

 

[TribulationSigns]

I think it is referring to all types of birds and wild animals that are carnivores.

Seriously? Say someone with lack of spiritual discernment. Do you know what eating the flesh spiritually means in Scripture?

 

[soberxp]

The bible does not go into detail about the weapons of the armies that will gather at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus. Since we are living in the end times, we should have a good idea of what modern day weapons of war are.

 

[Davidpt]

Yes it does. The battle of Armageddon is the short season of Satan, which I believe is taking place now, if you have spiritual discernment like I do.



Not at all!



Your entire objection rests on an assumption, not proof. Because you’ve already decided your framework is correct, you’re blind to the inconsistencies in your own reasoning. That’s not exegesis—that’s presupposition.



I don’t think you—or many others—have fully considered what I wrote earlier elsewhere regarding how the children of the congregation have turned their plowshares and pruning hooks back into swords. In Ezekiel 39, the weapons mentioned signify a spiritual conflict against God and His Faithful Saints rather than a merely physical battle.

The prophecy says these weapons will be burned for seven years. God did not talk about seven literal years as you think. In Scripture, the number seven often represents completeness or totality—something brought to its full and final conclusion.

Therefore, the meaning is that this spiritual conflict against God will be completely and permanently brought to an end. The burning of the weapons symbolizes the total destruction of rebellion. In God’s eternal Kingdom, there will be no more warfare, no more resistance, and no more learning of conflict—because it will be finished once and for all.

Selah!

In Ezekiel 39 not only does it mention an X amount of years, it also mentions an X amount of months. But why if neither are involving a literal amount of time specified as years, and specified as months? Why not be consistent if one is God? By saying the burning of the weapons and the cleansing of the land involves 7 years. Or that both involve 7 months. Why would it matter if neither is meaning a literal amount of time to begin with? Not only that, Ezekiel 39 would be the only place in the Bible, where a cardinal number, such as 7, followed by years, isn't literally meaning the amount of years specified. Wow, Ezekiel 39 is the exception even though everywhere else 7 years are mentioned, it literally means 7 years. Who cares about patterns? Right?

 

[Davidpt]

Seriously? Say someone with lack of spiritual discernment. Do you know what eating the flesh spiritually means in Scripture?

You try and act like there are no such thing as man-made weapons in the 21st century. Therefore, man-made weapons are not meant anywhere in Ezekiel 39 since it is absurd that that are man-made weapons of war existing in the 21st century. Except you apparently can't comprehend that Ezekiel is using imagery he is familiar with in his day and time in order to describe these man-made weapons that are clearly present in the 21st century. And since Ezekiel 38-39 is involving the 21st century, then no matter how you look at it, the 21st century has everything to do with nations possessing weapons of mass destruction.