Few are saved.

[stevesonthebay]

God fixed it-The Jehovah witnesses.

I have had long discussions with JW. In fact we had myself as a traditional Christian, an atheist and a JW. We had some interesting discussions.

But JW are too one dimensional. Its like a membership and you have to qualify to be a Christian. Like the Amish there are some who live apart from the world but also deny or are divided from the body of Christ which is all Christians regardless of Good works or membership.

I think any denomination that divides itself from the body by having certain qualifications is creating that division themselves. It creates identies within the church that are pitted against each other. Just like in secular political ideologies.

 

[Rockerduck]

As I said, "your soul is your life i.e. your personality."

And no, a footnote does not wipe out or redefine Gods word.

It is not "all lives are mine" it is "all souls are mine."

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Gen 2:7)

The same word soul (nephesh) is used in Gen 2:7.

Man did not become a livng life; man became a living soul.

When God takes that breath of life (that life giving spirit) back from man, man (body and soul) dies.

The Greek word for soul also means life or lives. You are not using a bible with footnotes on translations I see, like I said.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

How many on Earth by all the various religions tell their flocks you are saved or going to a higher existence after death?

What it this? Some sort of new age junk? "higher existence"

How many of the supposed Christian religions( 2 billion flock members, give or take) Are told and believe they are saved? Lets compare what Jesus teaches on that matter= Luke 17:26- Jesus is clear, here in these last days are no different than Noahs day= 99.9% mislead to destruction. Thus that comes out to maybe 9 million saved. Thus billions on Earth are serving false religion, being mislead to destruction. Best to take a step back and relook and make sure of all things. Satan has NEVER had less than 99% mislead all throughout the bible after the Eden rebellion.

You should quote what Jesus said:

Matthew 7:13,14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be
which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

This is serious folks. What will you do about it?

What do you propose we do to those that choose to reject Jesus?

Do what the moslems do and convert thru the threat of death telling them if they don't accpet Jesus and their Lord and Savbior we are going to pull out a pistol and blow their brains out?

Let's hear what you say should be done - What will YOU do about it?

YOU can do something about it.

What are YOU doing about it?

That tis the question!

JWs, sadly do not teach that we all must be born again.

The JWs are on the wide path that leads to eternal separation from the Lord.

There aren't any JWs in God's Kingdom

Those saved are the born again who walk by the Spirit.

What about those OSAS people that claim one can walk after the flesh and still be saved.

Any thoughts for these folks to get them to turn away from the heresy that they espouse?

I would say that most of the people in Noah's day were saved.

That's funny, they somehow refused to believe and get on the boat with Noah and his family so they were not actually saved.

 

[Beebster]

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The Greek word for soul also means life or lives. You are not using a bible with footnotes on translations I see, like I said.

Let me ask you.
Is man mortal?

 

[Rockerduck]

L

Let me ask you.
Is man mortal?

Flesh and blood and in the blood is life.

 

[Beebster]

Flesh and blood and in the blood is life.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
I will say this. To believe that man has an immortal soul is simply unscriptural. It is the same lie told from the very beginning.

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

 

[Rockerduck]

I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
I will say this. To believe that man has an immortal soul is simply unscriptural. It is the same lie told from the very beginning.

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

That's a disconnected thought. We will all die, unless raptured. All have sinned a fall short of the Glory of God. The man who sins will die, the born again in Christ shall not die and have eternal lives. Only one out of 3 dies, the body., but only temporarily, we will get a new body. I've seen a vision of a place, after death, I saw and recognized a dead relative and others in body and clothe and talking, with their personality intact.

 

[Hillsage]

Flesh and blood and in the blood is life.

Your understanding is based only upon OT verses. My opinion is that SPIRIT trumps SOUL in the NT.

ROM 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his spirit that dwelleth in you.

JAM 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

When Jesus raised the little girl from the dead, what came back". Her spirit or her soul?

LUK 8:55 And her spirit returned, and she got up at once; and he directed that something should be given her to eat.

When Jesus died on the cross, what left his spirit/ghost or his soul?

LUK 23:46* And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.


I've 'liked" at least a couple of your posts here. But can you support your opinion above from the NT?

 

[Rockerduck]

Your understanding is based only upon OT verses. My opinion is that SPIRIT trumps SOUL in the NT.

ROM 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his spirit that dwelleth in you.

JAM 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

When Jesus raised the little girl from the dead, what came back". Her spirit or her soul?

LUK 8:55 And her spirit returned, and she got up at once; and he directed that something should be given her to eat.

When Jesus died on the cross, what left his spirit/ghost or his soul?

LUK 23:46* And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.


I've 'liked" at least a couple of your posts here. But can you support your opinion above from the NT?

I agree, but God's word stands. The Blood is life of the body. You are equated the redeemed alive in Christ to the blood of the body. It's not the same; the body still dies. The Spirit and soul returns to God.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

My opinion is that SPIRIT trumps SOUL in the NT.

That's not just an opinion, that's actually what the NT teaches.

There are much greater revelations from the Lord provided in the NT verses the OT

Those following the OT are a day late and a dolla short.

 

[Hillsage]

I agree, but God's word stands. The Blood is life of the body. You are equated the redeemed alive in Christ to the blood of the body. It's not the same; the body still dies. The Spirit and soul returns to God.

I read 'an opinion' only, from your #65 response. I posted 4 scriptures from "God's word" sitting on my desk, to support my opinion. My opinon disagrees again. Please show me one verse supporting your post or refuting my posted 4 verses.

And now, you respond with nothing but another opinion above.

Please show me one verse saying "The Spirit and soul returns to God."

I can't stand before the throne and say "Rockerduck said" whatever.

Jesus bled out on the cross, his spirit came back and revived his dead body, a body without blood. He didn't even need blood for his ETERNAL glorified SPIRIT body.

LUK 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Told Thomas to stick his hand in the places Jesus was bled out from. Wrists, Ankles, and spear to his heart...bled out to the tomb he went. Did Jesus forget to mention blood in this verse? MY OPINION IS, NO!

 

[Keiw]

The one religion is the body of Christ. That's a fact.

Paul went around setting up congregations. God had 1 religion in OT=The Israelite religion. Jesus assures he has teachers on Earth--They teach the flock in his 1 Religion.

 

[Keiw]

Yup.
Body goes back to dust.
Spirit goes back to God.
Soul dies and remains dead until the resurrection.

The spirit mentioned is NOT a ghost like being within one. Its the spirit( like dna) that makes one what they are goes into Gods memory , thus will be resurrected the same person.

 

[Keiw]

1 Thes 5:
[23] And the very God of peace sanctify “you wholly;” and I pray God “your whole” spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So… your understanding is …
spirit AND soul AND body are NOT Three Separate Things of “a man”?

They Are…3 separate things …. Regarding ONE man.
Your body
Your soul
Your spirit



Not so.

A body breaths oxygen / air
A body has Life.
A body’s life IS Blood.

A souls Life is Gods BREATH.
Do you think Gods Breath is Oxygen-air?

A man has a Natural spirit.
A mans natural spirit, is his Natural Truth in his Heart..( not his brain / mind)
A saved man, has a born again spirit in his Heart. Ie. Gods Spiritual Truth.

All souls belong to God
All life in souls is Gods Breath.
All “living souls”, depart out of a mans dead body, and to this day, all departed souls Continue Living…
In heaven
Or
In hell.

A human Singular Alive man is Triune…
Three - United…
body AND soul AND spirit = ONE Alive man…
Called A Person.

Glory to God,
Taken

Body=mortal flesh
Soul=breath of life
Spirit= like dna, it is not a ghost like being.

 

[Keiw]

Of course, those who prefer to sit in judgement fire this arrow.....and I would ask, why? ...if it weren't to discourage struggling souls.

A warning to my fellow man, out of love for Jehovah, Jesus and them. To relook. I am not judging. I shared undeniable bible reality. Only YOU can do something about it. Its like this-- One is jogging down the street at 5:30 am, they see a house on fire--do they knock or keep on going? I knock. You call it judgement, i call it trying to get them out of this worlds darkness.

 

[Keiw]

I have had long discussions with JW. In fact we had myself as a traditional Christian, an atheist and a JW. We had some interesting discussions.

But JW are too one dimensional. Its like a membership and you have to qualify to be a Christian. Like the Amish there are some who live apart from the world but also deny or are divided from the body of Christ which is all Christians regardless of Good works or membership.

I think any denomination that divides itself from the body by having certain qualifications is creating that division themselves. It creates identies within the church that are pitted against each other. Just like in secular political ideologies.

Gods requirements, not mans, is what it takes to be a JW. If you lack understanding on a matter i will help you see Gods view.

 

[Keiw]

What it this? Some sort of new age junk? "higher existence"




You should quote what Jesus said:

Matthew 7:13,14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be
which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.




What do you propose we do to those that choose to reject Jesus?

Do what the moslems do and convert thru the threat of death telling them if they don't accpet Jesus and their Lord and Savbior we are going to pull out a pistol and blow their brains out?

Let's hear what you say should be done - What will YOU do about it? View attachment 79406





What are YOU doing about it? View attachment 79407

That tis the question!




The JWs are on the wide path that leads to eternal separation from the Lord.

There aren't any JWs in God's Kingdom View attachment 79408





What about those OSAS people that claim one can walk after the flesh and still be saved.

Any thoughts for these folks to get them to turn away from the heresy that they espouse?






That's funny, they somehow refused to believe and get on the boat with Noah and his family so they were not actually saved.

Many foreign religions say they go a higher plain of existence after death.

The narrow gate= 1 single religion( 1 Cor 1:10)= A worldwide brotherhood, united in love, peace and unity of thought)
The broad and spacious path= many religions= your reasoning is 100% false.
osas = lie.

Jesus showed what to do-Luke 10-Acts 20:20)--Not kill them, love them as a neighbor and try to help them out of the worlds darkness.

 

[Rockerduck]

Gods requirements, not mans, is what it takes to be a JW. If you lack understanding on a matter i will help you see Gods view.

Being Born again from above and receiving the Holy Spirit is the requirement for Heaven.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Many foreign religions say they go a higher plain of existence after death.

Has nothing to do with Christianity which does not teach like that

Not kill them, love them as a neighbor and try to help them out of the worlds darkness.

Yeah, you be sure to refrain from killing those who refuse to believe

 

[quietthinker]

A warning to my fellow man, out of love for Jehovah, Jesus and them. To relook. I am not judging. I shared undeniable bible reality. Only YOU can do something about it. Its like this-- One is jogging down the street at 5:30 am, they see a house on fire--do they knock or keep on going? I knock. You call it judgement, i call it trying to get them out of this worlds darkness.

The thing is, delusional souls always consider themselves as rescuers.