It is what it shouldn't be

[2bme]

What is outside of everything?

Content removed: Because it was cringy mc cringe.

 

[lforrest]

Let's assume that Christianity did the thing it's supposed to believe in far more effectively and it completely won over the world to become the only one governing ideology. Do you think that all the people of the world under that belief based narrative wouldn't need to be curious about what could lie outside the current normative belief system?

I imagine there would still be fictional belief systems. I don't consider their existance to be benefical to humanity.

 

[2bme]

I imagine there would still be fictional belief systems. I don't consider their existance to be benefical to humanity.

No belief is beneficial for life.

 

[2bme]

Did God believe the universe into existence?

 

[Wrangler]

Did God believe the universe into existence?

You're asking questions but not answering them. See post #12 & 15. This tells me you are not serious. Curious, perhaps. Facetious, definitely. But not serious.

Juxtapose your playing with what belief is all about with knowledge as the Bible talks about. John 17:1,3 Father ... this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

What do you know? Not what is your philosophical understanding. Not what familiarity do you have with various schools of thought. Not world views based on semantics and playing word games with definitions. What is your first hand experience with the divine, with power and knowledge far beyond human ability? This will be my last question to you. My last post in this thread if you don't answer seriously.

One of my favorite Bible verses is Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart. Implied are two things.

1. The divine don't suffer fools who are only playing.
   
   • God will not reveal himself if you aren't serious - deadly serious, more serious about this topic than any topic.
2. You have the burden to ask, knock, seek - with all sincerity.
   
   • Your soul must be like a man dying of thirst, desperate beyond all measure for what you need to survive.
   • Otherwise, you're just wasting everyone's time.

 

[2bme]

You're asking questions but not answering them. See post #12 & 15. This tells me you are not serious. Curious, perhaps. Facetious, definitely. But not serious.

Juxtapose your playing with what belief is all about with knowledge as the Bible talks about. John 17:1,3 Father ... this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

What do you know? Not what is your philosophical understanding. Not what familiarity do you have with various schools of thought. Not world views based on semantics and playing word games with definitions. What is your first hand experience with the divine, with power and knowledge far beyond human ability? This will be my last question to you. My last post in this thread if you don't answer seriously.

One of my favorite Bible verses is Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart. Implied are two things.

1. The divine don't suffer fools who are only playing.
   
   • God will not reveal himself if you aren't serious - deadly serious, more serious about this topic than any topic.
2. You have the burden to ask, knock, seek - with all sincerity.
   
   • Your soul must be like a man dying of thirst, desperate beyond all measure for what you need to survive.
   • Otherwise, you're just wasting everyone's time.

Yeah yeah I've read all the common theological literature. So what if the only reason you need it is to sit on high and judge. I thought only God could judge correctly? You know the Bible also says to build up people and focus on every lovely thing.

 

[Wrangler]

So what if the only reason you need it is to sit on high and judge.

As I posted in your other thread from today's devotional reading, 1 Timothy 4:8-9 (CEV) 8-9 As the saying goes,
“Exercise is good for your body,but religion helps you in every way. It promises life now and forever.” These words are worthwhile and should not be forgotten.

For some reason, you are taking religion helps you in every way to mean only one way and dismiss it as being no good at all and ignore the knowledge that leads to eternal life. This is not wise but foolish beyond measure!

I thought only God could judge correctly?

A very ignorant thing to say.

John 5:22 “The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,”
. God The Father entrusts the entire judicial authority to Jesus, a man.

Matthew 5:48 Therefore, be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
. With God's spirit we can judge correctly.

Acts 17:31 “...since he has fixed a day when he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”

1 Corinthians 6:3 Don't you know we will judge angels? And if this is so, we can surely judge everyday matters.

You know the Bible also says to build up people and focus on every lovely thing.

Yes. The Bible says many things, including DO justice. Micah 6:8. Justice is a lovely thing!

This will be my last question to you. My last post in this thread if you don't answer seriously.

Goodbye. Make a blessed day.

 

[lforrest]

No belief is beneficial for life.

Man was created with a desire for eternity. That is something the world can't provide.

 

[Adventageous]

What is outside of everything?

The question is broken in a self-contradictory way. It uses the words "outside of" & "everything", which words are at odds with each other. "Everything" means "all there is", and therefore, nothing is "outside of it", for that would mean something would then not be a part of "everything".

 

[Adventageous]

Oh man.

The previous post (images) is a classic case of "pareidolia" if you (any) ask me.

 

[Adventageous]

Did God believe the universe into existence?

Essentially:

Luk_6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good ... for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.​

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Gen 1:3 "And God said, Let there be ..."​

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(However, as a sidenote, Gen.1 is not contextual to the "universe" (which God had already brought into existence previously before Gen. 1 events, as the unfallen angelic beings already existed; Job 38:4-7 KJB), only to the earth (its waters, land and atmosphere; Gen. 1:20 KJB) and the local Sol system (Sun, moon and local system 'stars' (Gen. 1:16; "planets"; 2 Kin. 23:5 KJB), but even, so, the same principle applies to the "universe" at a previous time in eternity past.

 

[Wrangler]

The question is broken in a self-contradictory way. It uses the words "outside of" & "everything", which words are at odds with each other. "Everything" means "all there is", and therefore, nothing is "outside of it", for that would mean something would then not be a part of "everything".

Agreed. I asked the question the way I did because that is the error of the unbeliever we are dealing with.

Let's assume that Christianity did the thing it's supposed to believe in far more effectively and it completely won over the world to become the only one governing ideology. Do you think that all the people of the world under that belief based narrative wouldn't need to be curious about what could lie outside the current normative belief system?

 

[Adventageous]

Agreed. I asked the question the way I did because that is the error of the unbeliever we are dealing with.

Yeah, no worries. :)

 

[Gottservant]

You really think your beliefs are guaranteed. Don't you. You'll defend everything you believe rather than face what you don't know and accept what needs to change. Even though it's become undeniable that beliefs are the problem of our society. You'd rather pretend that what you believe is worth the destruction it causes the world over. I know for sure now I'm not wrong, because all you believer's have is something to force other people to believe in.

Your time of believing has reached its final destination.

It's not necessary that everyone believe, just that someone does.

You are mistaking believers, for a people that are trying to tell everyone to believe the same thing - the reality is that we are all asking "has the Lord told you, what He told me?"

When was the last time you went the extra mile or turned the other cheek? Did you feel like you were being manipulated then?

 

[soberxp]

No belief is beneficial for life.

Yes, the Bible says knows the word of God doesn't make a man happy.....
Do you know why?

 

[2bme]

Yes, the Bible says knows the word of God doesn't make a man happy.....
Do you know why?

No I don't.

 

[2bme]

It's not necessary that everyone believe, just that someone does.

You are mistaking believers, for a people that are trying to tell everyone to believe the same thing - the reality is that we are all asking "has the Lord told you, what He told me?"

When was the last time you went the extra mile or turned the other cheek? Did you feel like you were being manipulated then?

Why is it necessary to believe? What exactly does believing do?

 

[soberxp]

No I don't.

Because the world.It is what it shouldn't be

 

[Wrangler]

No belief is beneficial for life.

Do you believe that?

 

[2bme]

Do you believe that?

Well no because I'm making the claim as a matter of fact. Although maybe you might have said "Don't you mean you assume that?" Because I don't need to use the word belief to establish my position on knowing something to be true or assuming something to be true.