Who is "the god of this world"? God or satan?

[ewq1938]

Wow so you think God is satan??? View attachment 79652

No. Scripture says God blinds people like here:

Joh_12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

Do you think John doesn't know God from satan? Or Paul? Both said God blinds people because He does.

 

[ewq1938]

Please answer the question.


We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
1 John 5:19

• the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.

Who do you believe is the wicked one; Satan or God?

I already answered that question. Link https://www.christianityboard.com/t...of-this-world-god-or-satan.74801/post-2218355

 

[David in NJ]

Wow so you think God is satan??? View attachment 79652

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

What kind of cult claims God is actually the devil???

These nutjobs are claiming God is blinding people to prevent them from seeing the Gospel.

They are obviously deceived by satan and his screamin demons




Well enjoy the results of the heresy in which you waller. It ends badly bud.

You should get in an airplane and fly across the country and experience the roundness of the earth and look out the window and see that the earth is not actually flat.

We all know now you are a complete nutjob, someone to be ignored. View attachment 79654





Code for you find it increasingly hard to defend the heresy of the watch tower peoples when interacting with actual Children of the Lord.




That's what satan keeps claiming but he's a liar and is the leader of the watch tower peoples




According to the Lord it's referring to people being tormented in hell.

The watch tower peoples will experience this first hand unless they REPENT and depart from the deception their father the devil has them trapped in.




He's a candidate to join up with the watch tower peoples so be nice to him

Anybody that's so slow to let the devil deceive them in to believing the earth is flat is definitely slow enough to let the devil deceive them in to becoming one of the watch tower peoples.

So alert headquarters that you have one on the line there!

By your unscientific and dishonest comments = Satan has you!!!

 

[Aunty Jane]

God made it easy for us to know that 'gravity' is a lie.

Two ways:
#1 - WATER
WATER proves beyond any shadow of doubt that we are not on a wet ball spinning at 1,000mph

Are you familiar with the Genesis account where God divided the waters below the expanse from the waters above the expanse?....something science says is impossible....yet it says that these waters stayed there “by the word of God”....something Science doesn’t believe in.

2 Peter 3:5-7...speaking of those who deny the foretold judgment day to come, he uses those who lived in Noah’s day as an example....he said...
“For they deliberately ignore this fact, that long ago there were heavens and an earth standing firmly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; 6  and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water. 7  But by the same word the heavens and the earth that now exist are reserved for fire and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly people.”

The same “word of God” uses restraint until it is the right time to use “fire” (rather than water) when he brings “ungodly people” to account in this world in the near future.

So first of all, what is the “expanse”? Often called “the firmament”...(rāqîaʿ)

Now this is interesting because the Jews believed in a flat earth because they had no way to understand the earth as a planet in a solar system, in the Universe. As far as they could see, the earth was flat and the waters above the earth formed a dome, which would be natural, IF the earth was flat.....they also believed that the stars were fixed in the dome above the earth, which again, from their vantage point seemed logical.

Gen 1:6-8...
“And God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.” (ESV)

But what if the short sighted view of the ancient Hebrews was to be adjusted as mankind progressed in knowledge and came to realise that the earth was indeed round, and that other planets in our solar system were also spherical......naturally then, the vault that supported the water canopy would also be circular?

It would mean that the atmosphere of the earth was the same shape as the earth itself....not a dome at all....with water that was thought to be supporting the water above the earth.....we now know was not supported except by “the word of God”....IOW God was the one who restrained the waters above the earth from flooding the surface of it. He put it up there during earth’s preparation.

As part of creation, our once watery planet was made habitable by taking some of the surface water and suspending it above the earth so that a warm moist and temperate climate would be enjoyed by all of earth’s inhabitants......and originally it says in Genesis that it didn’t rain whilst that canopy was suspended above the earth, (Gen 2:5-6) but Peter tells us that God used the canopy to flood the earth in Noah’s day. (2 Peter 3:5-7)

Water was released from beneath the earth in the underground aquifers as well....naturally, I assume that because the poles are magnetic, the waters of the flood were gradually drawn up into what became the polar ice caps. The dramatic climate change caused by the removal of the canopy, resulted in the drastic seasonal changes we see on the earth today.
They are warning that if the polar ice caps melt...the earth will again be flooded.

What “heaven” is this David? Are there more than one? Is the heavens where the birds fly, the same as the heavens where the stars are? Is it the same “heaven” as the place where God and his angelic sons reside?

#2 - If gravity were fact, it could easily be measured thru scientific observable evidence 24/7 continuously on the earth.
Anyone can perform a true scientific experiment to prove that gravity does not exist.

I’ll remember that next time I drop something on my foot, and it hurts like the dickens.

Newton’s scientific experiment was having an Apple drop on his head whilst he sat under a tree.
You think science hasn’t created more sophisticated ways to prove what we experience every day?

Factual scientists admit that gravity is only a 'theory' and cannot be proven.
FACT: it does not exist except in the deception of the globalists who control the education, media, sciences and medical.

Do you believe God at His word??? = 1 John 5:19

I believe what is provable....what I can see, and what God’s word tells me. I believe what I see in a telescope from my own backyard...how can they fake that?....I can see that the moon is a sphere and that the planets visible to us by this means, are spherical....I have no evidence that the earth is flat, though I can see how people are convinced in spite of the evidence.

Here is a link if you’re interested....from a “Christian” perspective.
is the Earth Flat - Answers In Genesis

 

[JLB]

I already answered that question. Link Who is "the god of this world"? God or satan?

‘Actually if you follow the link you gave you never answered my question, you just claimed by me asking a question that I somehow “created a straw-man fallacy”.


You are not being truthful.


Instead of hiding behind a link, untruthfully claiming you answered my question, which you didn’t,

answer the question here for all to see.


Please answer the question.


We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
1 John 5:19

• the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.

Who do you believe is the wicked one; Satan or God?

 

[David in NJ]

Are you familiar with the Genesis account where God divided the waters below the expanse from the waters above the expanse?....something science says is impossible....yet it says that these waters stayed there “by the word of God”....something Science doesn’t believe in.

2 Peter 3:5-7...speaking of those who deny the foretold judgment day to come, he uses those who lived in Noah’s day as an example....he said...
“For they deliberately ignore this fact, that long ago there were heavens and an earth standing firmly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; 6  and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water. 7  But by the same word the heavens and the earth that now exist are reserved for fire and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly people.”

The same “word of God” uses restraint until it is the right time to use “fire” (rather than water) when he brings “ungodly people” to account in this world in the near future.

So first of all, what is the “expanse”? Often called “the firmament”...(rāqîaʿ)

Now this is interesting because the Jews believed in a flat earth because they had no way to understand the earth as a planet in a solar system, in the Universe. As far as they could see, the earth was flat and the waters above the earth formed a dome, which would be natural, IF the earth was flat.....they also believed that the stars were fixed in the dome above the earth, which again, from their vantage point seemed logical.

Gen 1:6-8...
“And God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.” (ESV)

But what if the short sighted view of the ancient Hebrews was to be adjusted as mankind progressed in knowledge and came to realise that the earth was indeed round, and that other planets in our solar system were also spherical......naturally then, the vault that supported the water canopy would also be circular?

It would mean that the atmosphere of the earth was the same shape as the earth itself....not a dome at all....with water that was thought to be supporting the water above the earth.....we now know was not supported except by “the word of God”....IOW God was the one who restrained the waters above the earth from flooding the surface of it. He put it up there during earth’s preparation.

As part of creation, our once watery planet was made habitable by taking some of the surface water and suspending it above the earth so that a warm moist and temperate climate would be enjoyed by all of earth’s inhabitants......and originally it says in Genesis that it didn’t rain whilst that canopy was suspended above the earth, (Gen 2:5-6) but Peter tells us that God used the canopy to flood the earth in Noah’s day. (2 Peter 3:5-7)

Water was released from beneath the earth in the underground aquifers as well....naturally, I assume that because the poles are magnetic, the waters of the flood were gradually drawn up into what became the polar ice caps. The dramatic climate change caused by the removal of the canopy, resulted in the drastic seasonal changes we see on the earth today.
They are warning that if the polar ice caps melt...the earth will again be flooded.

What “heaven” is this David? Are there more than one? Is the heavens where the birds fly, the same as the heavens where the stars are? Is it the same “heaven” as the place where God and his angelic sons reside?

I’ll remember that next time I drop something on my foot, and it hurts like the dickens.

Newton’s scientific experiment was having an Apple drop on his head whilst he sat under a tree.
You think science hasn’t created more sophisticated ways to prove what we experience every day?

I believe what is provable....what I can see, and what God’s word tells me. I believe what I see in a telescope from my own backyard...how can they fake that?....I can see that the moon is a sphere and that the planets visible to us by this means, are spherical....I have no evidence that the earth is flat, though I can see how people are convinced in spite of the evidence.

Here is a link if you’re interested....from a “Christian” perspective.
is the Earth Flat - Answers In Genesis

READ Genesis again!!!

God seperated the Waters below from the Waters Above by the "Firmament" = which is a DOME over the earth.

Satan has over 90% of the world deceived because you obey what you are told by the world rather then believing = Matt 4:4

PRAY that you may SEE for JESUS Says: "seeing they see NOT"

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

So who was it that "blinded the minds of them which believe not"?

It was God.

John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

God is not satan!

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus indicates the god of this world is satan referring to satan as the "prince of this world" in John 14:30 which is a companion scripture to 2 Corinthians 4:4

John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

It's amazing how deceived some get when they don't accept what God says in His Word.

We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
1 John 5:19

Exactly.

Who do you believe is the wicked one; Satan or God?

Reformed theology muddies the water for it's adherents ya know

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Indeed. Now, who is being spoken of here in verse 14:

Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

It's talking about the Jews

They caused their own blindness by rejecting Jesus as Lord and Savior.
Gentiles that reject the Lord have caused their own blindness.

We know God did not blind them seeing so many Jews have gotten saved in the past 125 years or so.

 

[Aunty Jane]

READ Genesis again!!!

God seperated the Waters below from the Waters Above by the "Firmament" = which is a DOME over the earth.

Satan has over 90% of the world deceived because you obey what you are told by the world rather then believing = Matt 4:4

PRAY that you may SEE for JESUS Says: "seeing they see NOT"

Sorry David, not one bit convincing and you did not address a thing I said....

What on earth was that video supposed to demonstrate? Gravity perhaps? Why does water flow down and not up?

And did you notice the rainbow? What shape is it? It’s the same shape as the sun that produced it.
Is the sun flat too?

Perhaps I can share your own thought with you....
“PRAY that you may SEE for JESUS Says: "seeing they see NOT"

You cannot explain what I see with my telescope in my backyard.



This is what Saturn looks like....from a backyard telescope....and all the other planets are spheres as well.
Please explain how we are being hoodwinked from our own backyard....?

And also explained why you think it’s important that the earth be flat.....what does it accomplish in the big picture, unless it is a meaningless distraction for those who are easily swayed...?

 

[David in NJ]

Sorry David, not one bit convincing and you did not address a thing I said....

What on earth was that video supposed to demonstrate? Gravity perhaps? Why does water flow down and not up?

And did you notice the rainbow? What shape is it? It’s the same shape as the sun that produced it.
Is the sun flat too?

Perhaps I can share your own thought with you....
“PRAY that you may SEE for JESUS Says: "seeing they see NOT"

You cannot explain what I see with my telescope in my backyard.

View attachment 79725

This is what Saturn looks like....from a backyard telescope....and all the other planets are spheres as well.
Please explain how we are being hoodwinked from our own backyard....?

And also explained why you think it’s important that the earth be flat.....what does it accomplish in the big picture, unless it is a meaningless distraction for those who are easily swayed...?

"seeing you see NOT"

The Rainbow is reflective of the FIRMAMENT/DOME covering the earth = separating the Waters Above from Below
Genesis = Jeremiah 31: 35-37 + Matt 4:4

WATER-FALLS = always

Vapor can rise = only as a gas

 

[David in NJ]

Sorry David, not one bit convincing and you did not address a thing I said....

What on earth was that video supposed to demonstrate? Gravity perhaps? Why does water flow down and not up?

And did you notice the rainbow? What shape is it? It’s the same shape as the sun that produced it.
Is the sun flat too?

Perhaps I can share your own thought with you....
“PRAY that you may SEE for JESUS Says: "seeing they see NOT"

You cannot explain what I see with my telescope in my backyard.

View attachment 79725

This is what Saturn looks like....from a backyard telescope....and all the other planets are spheres as well.
Please explain how we are being hoodwinked from our own backyard....?

And also explained why you think it’s important that the earth be flat.....what does it accomplish in the big picture, unless it is a meaningless distraction for those who are easily swayed...?

Maybe you have forgotten that GOD Created the earth, sky, heavens, sun moon and stars above = GENESIS

 

[grumix8]

God is the creator but the world follows the devil and they worshio him. The devil is no God he doesn't deserve that.

 

[David in NJ]

God is the creator but the world follows the devil and they worshio him. The devil is no God he doesn't deserve that.

Elohim can be applied to angels, spirit-filled man and to Satan.

This is why the True Living Elohim Says: "You shall have no other gods before ME' = Deuteronomy 5:7

You shall have
יִהְיֶ֥ה־ (yih·yeh-)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 1961: 1) to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out 1a) (Qal) 1a1) ----- 1a1a) to happen, fall out, occur, take place, come about, come to pass 1a1b) to come about, come to pass 1a2) to come into being, become 1a2a) to arise, appear, come 1a2b) to become 1a2b1) to become 1a2b2) to become like 1a2b3) to be instituted, be established 1a3) to be 1a3a) to exist, be in existence 1a3b) to abide, remain, continue (with word of place or time) 1a3c) to stand, lie, be in, be at, be situated (with word of locality) 1a3d) to accompany, be with 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to occur, come to pass, be done, be brought about 1b2) to be done, be finished, be gone

no
לֹ֣א (lō)
Adverb - Negative particle
Strong's Hebrew 3808: 1) not, no 1a) not (with verb-absolute prohibition) 1b) not (with modifier-negation) 1c) nothing (subst) 1d) without (with particle) 1e) before (of time)

other
אֲחֵרִ֖֜ים (’ă·ḥê·rîm)
Adjective - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 312: 1) another, other, following 1a) following, further 1b) other, different

gods
אֱלֹהִ֥֨ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

before
עַל־ (‘al-)
Preposition
Strong's Hebrew 5921: prep 1) upon, on the ground of, according to, on account of, on behalf of, concerning, beside, in addition to, together with, beyond, above, over, by, on to, towards, to, against 1a) upon, on the ground of, on the basis of, on account of, because of, therefore, on behalf of, for the sake of, for, with, in spite of, notwithstanding, concerning, in the matter of, as regards 1b) above, beyond, over (of excess) 1c) above, over (of elevation or pre-eminence) 1d) upon, to, over to, unto, in addition to, together with, with (of addition) 1e) over (of suspension or extension) 1f) by, adjoining, next, at, over, around (of contiguity or proximity) 1g) down upon, upon, on, from, up upon, up to, towards, over towards, to, against (with verbs of motion) 1h) to (as a dative) conj 2) because that, because, notwithstanding, although

Me.
פָּנָֽ֗יַ׃ (pā·nā·ya)
Noun - masculine plural construct | first person common singular
Strong's Hebrew 6440: 1) face 1a) face, faces 1b) presence, person 1c) face (of seraphim or cherubim) 1d) face (of animals) 1e) face, surface (of ground) 1f) as adv of loc/temp 1f1) before and behind, toward, in front of, forward, formerly, from beforetime, before 1g) with prep 1g1) in front of, before, to the front of, in the presence of, in the face of, at the face or front of, from the presence of, from before, from before the face of

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus Christ is the first perfect Adam but second Adam or last Adam in the Bible.
Mark 10:31
But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.

He brings Salvation to all who believes in the rules of the world by Satan.
He is the hope since we shall die.
He is the solution by the effect of Satan.
He is the standard of image of God who made human beings.not God made God in the image of God.

In response to you rpost = do you believe JESUS is the Alpha & the Omega = the First and Last ???

 

[Aunty Jane]

In response to you rpost = do you believe JESUS is the Alpha & the Omega = the First and Last ???

No....
Only Jehovah is the Alpha and Omega as he is the “beginning and end” of everything....including Jesus. (Rev 3:14)

Rev 21:5-7 states....
“And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son.” (ESV)

An interesting fact about Jehovah and his Son.....can you see there in the last verse?
“I will be his God and he will be my son”....
Only God is said to have “sons”...Jesus is said to have “brothers”.

Gal 4:5-7...
“But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.” (ESV)

Christ and his bride are “heirs” of the Kingdom....but they are “heirs” along with Christ....

“The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.” (Rom 8:17 ESV)

Can God be an heir of his own inheritance?

 

[ewq1938]

Only God is said to have “sons”...Jesus is said to have “brothers”.

Actually he has children:

Joh_13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

And this of course:


Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

 

[ewq1938]

No....
Only Jehovah is the Alpha and Omega as he is the “beginning and end” of everything....including Jesus. (Rev 3:14)

Jesus also says he is Alpha and Omega:

Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

This can only be Jesus, not his Father.

 

[soberxp]

In response to you rpost = do you believe JESUS is the Alpha & the Omega = the First and Last ???

First Adam and last Adam.
Alpha Adam & the Omega Adam.
It's hard to explain for the Alpha & the Omega,the First and Last.

If we use scientific terms, it would be called a time tunnel. Jesus was both the last Adam and the first Adam, but not the first Adam who was with Eve.

 

[David in NJ]

First Adam and last Adam.
Alpha Adam & the Omega Adam.

Do you believe that the Adam was JESUS???

 

[soberxp]

Do you believe that the Adam was JESUS???

No.
First Adam and last Adam.
Alpha Adam & the Omega Adam.
It's hard to explain for the Alpha & the Omega,the First and Last.

If we use scientific terms, it would be called a time tunnel. Jesus was both the last Adam and the first Adam, but not the first Adam who was with Eve,Because he did not obey the words of God, only Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son who obediently follows God's words.