IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE SABBATH THEN CONSIDER THIS

[Doug]

Here is something to consider if you think you are commanded to keep the sabbath.
[Exodus 20:8 KJV] "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."
[Exodus 20:9 KJV] "Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:"
[Exodus 20:10 KJV] "But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:"...............Outside of emergencies do you refrain from any form of labor? Outside of emergencies do you rely on someone laboring to meet your needs? You do realize that verse 10 says you don't make servants work either. I guess you can claim to keep the ten commandments if you revise and spiritualize them so you can declare you do.

 

[HealthyShape]

Exodus is about ancient Israel, it has little to do with us or with our modern era.

 

[Doug]

Exodus is about ancient Israel, it has little to do with us or with our modern era.

You cant mean that the ten commandments, especially the sabbath, arent relevant to people today. People say that the ten commandments, including the sabbath, must be obeyed. Look at the seventh day adventists.
Beside which, our apostle for us in today's dispensation are commanded to follow Paul; the essence of all ten commandments can be found in his epistles, all but the sabbath.
Let me ask what might seem to be silly and not serious but do you think we should steal?

 

[HealthyShape]

You cant mean that the ten commandments, especially the sabbath, arent relevant to people today. People say that the ten commandments, including the sabbath, must be obeyed. Look at the seventh day adventists.
Beside which, our apostle for us in today's dispensation are commanded to follow Paul; the essence of all ten commandments can be found in his epistles, all but the sabbath.
Let me ask what might seem to be silly and not serious but do you think we should steal?

The book of Exodus is about ancient Israel and about the Law given to them by Moses till Christ. This Mosaic Law has little to do with us and with our modern era.

Seventh Day Adventists are wrong. They originated from a sect that expected Christ to return in 1844. After it did not happen, they formed their movement around a woman also from the 19th century who they believe was a prophet. She taught them about Sabbath being for us, because she saw it in some vision.

Why should we even take them seriously? We have the Church writings from literally first centuries saying that Sabbath is not for Christians.

 

[Taken]

IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE SABBATH THEN CONSIDER THIS

The Sabbath(S), are days of Feasts, to and for The Israelites/ Tribes thereof charged to Remember.

The Sabbath Day, (Seventh Day of the Week)
IS the Ending of Six days of “Labor” and The Seventh Day of Rest and Remembrance Unto God, such direction to Gods People ISRAEL.

Misconstrued IS the difference Between “Labor and Obligatory Well-Being in ones Charge”
Animals in captivity, Family under the Care of the Head of household, employees in Emergency occupations, have an Obligation to Care For needs, of captive animals and family and emergency situations and persons.

Regarding SAVED Christians…
* every Day is a Day for they IN Christ to Rest IN Christ Jesus
and
*every Day is a Day for praise to the Lord God
and
* every Day (the Lord hath made) is a suitable Day to commune (Pray to the Lord God).

Pray without ceasing…makes MOOT a set day or time.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Bob]

Thank you for the post.

It would appear, from scripture, that God intends for us to rest from our ordinary labors and set side time to worship Him, one day each week. It is not healthy, mentally or physically, to work continually with no scheduled rest.

Blessings.

 

[HealthyShape]

Thank you for the post.

It would appear, from scripture, that God intends for us to rest from our ordinary labors and set side time to worship Him, one day each week. It is not healthy, mentally or physically, to work continually with no scheduled rest.

Blessings.

Ancient Israelites who broke the Sabbath were stoned to death. So, health was hardly the purpose of the commandment.

Also, God says in the Old Testament that He hates their Sabbaths. Again, hardly about health.

I think the Seventh Day Adventists came with the idea that the Mosaic laws were for health - including the dietary laws. However, Bible never says that and it also does not make much sense, in context.

 

[Doug]

The book of Exodus is about ancient Israel and about the Law given to them by Moses till Christ. This Mosaic Law has little to do with us and with our modern era.

Seventh Day Adventists are wrong. They originated from a sect that expected Christ to return in 1844. After it did not happen, they formed their movement around a woman also from the 19th century who they believe was a prophet. She taught them about Sabbath being for us, because she saw it in some vision.

Why should we even take them seriously? We have the Church writings from literally first centuries saying that Sabbath is not for Christians.

You only adressed one comment about the seven dayers and ignored the rest that wasnt my main point

Here is what else I said...........
You cant mean that the ten commandments, especially the sabbath, arent relevant to people today. People say that the ten commandments, including the sabbath, must be obeyed.
Beside which, our apostle for us in today's dispensation are commanded to follow Paul; the essence of all ten commandments can be found in his epistles, all but the sabbath.
Let me ask what might seem to be silly and not serious but do you think we should steal?

Especially answer do you think its ok to steal please

 

[marks]

Especially answer do you think its ok to steal please

This is under the Law of Love. We don't steal, we give. This isn't from the 10C, it's from Paul's letters.

Ephesians 4:28 KJV
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Much love!

 

[Doug]

This is under the Law of Love. We don't steal, we give. This isn't from the 10C, it's from Paul's letters.

Ephesians 4:28 KJV
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Much love!

I was only responding to the assertion made that the 10 commandments were archaic and irrelevant today

 

[marks]

I was only responding to the assertion made that the 10 commandments were archaic and irrelevant today

For me the 10 commandments are the starting point in learning God's will, but if we stop there, we miss a lot!

Much love!

 

[Behold]

You cant mean that the ten commandments, especially the sabbath, arent relevant to people today.

The Law and Commandments are not "relevant" regarding how God Eternally Justifies a sinner.

Salvation is not "through the law"....its through the '"righteousness of Faith", like this......

A.) """Abraham believed God (Faith) and His faith was counted by God as Righteousness"""", and its the same for any and all believers.
= God will eternally count our faith in Christ, exactly the same way.

So, when God accepts our Faith to accept us, this is : "Justification by Faith" as Paul teaches. "without works or the Law".

 

[Doug]

For me the 10 commandments are the starting point in learning God's will, but if we stop there, we miss a lot!

Much love!

Here we have a clear expression of his will to help you...............
[1 Thessalonians 4:3 KJV] "For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:"
[1 Thessalonians 5:18 KJV] "In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you."

 

[Doug]

The Law and Commandments are not "relevant" regarding how God Eternally Justifies a sinner.

Salvation is not "through the law"....its through the '"righteousness of Faith", like this......

A.) """Abraham believed God (Faith) and His faith was counted by God as Righteousness"""", and its the same for any and all believers.
= God will eternally count our faith in Christ, exactly the same way.

So, when God accepts our Faith to accept us, this is : "Justification by Faith" as Paul teaches. "without works or the Law".

I was only saying they are relevant because of the number of people who wrongly believe they are to be kept for righteousness

 

[Behold]

I was only saying they are relevant because of the number of people who wrongly believe they are to be kept for righteousness

Yes.

And the will of God, is "that you believe on Jesus, whom God sent"......so that our FAITH is "counted by God as (Christ's) imputed Righteousness".

When we study Paul's Doctrine that is the Doctrine for the Church in Galatians and Romans....specifically, we find that Paul details for us, How God gave Abraham "imputed righteousness" "without works" and Paul explains that we are the "seed of Abraham"....
We are the same.......in that God has also accepted our Faith, to thereby accept us and give us His "imputed righteousness".

We now become the "seed of Abraham", through Chrst, and this means we become "Heirs" of the Promise that God made to Abraham, regarding being "heirs of the world".
This is why Paul teaches us that Abraham is the "Father of our Faith".

And keep in mind Reader, that when Abraham was given God's Righteousness, because He gave God His Faith......that at that time, there was no Moses Law or 10 Commandments, as these came LATER.
So, Abraham, received God's Righteousness, as a Gift, before Moses Law and Commandments were given.
And we receive God's Righteousness exactly the same way..........not by the law or commandments, but by "the righeousness of Faith", as Paul's DOCTRINE Teaches.

 

[Bob]

Ancient Israelites who broke the Sabbath were stoned to death. So, health was hardly the purpose of the commandment.

Also, God says in the Old Testament that He hates their Sabbaths. Again, hardly about health.

I think the Seventh Day Adventists came with the idea that the Mosaic laws were for health - including the dietary laws. However, Bible never says that and it also does not make much sense, in context.

Thank you for responding.

Mosaic law includes a number of provisions for killing a transgressor. We can agree that Mosaic law was intentionally harsh, but the overall purpose of the sabbath was for everyone, including servants and animals, to rest and “recharge.”

Also, you are selectively quoting Isaiah, who wrote in the first chapter: 13 It's useless to bring your offerings. I am disgusted with the smell of the incense you burn. I cannot stand your New Moon Festivals, your Sabbaths, and your religious gatherings; they are all corrupted by your sins.

Jesus also called the Pharisees to task for dwelling on the literal wording of the law, rather than its spirit. But remember, Jesus took time from his mission to attend a synagogue on the sabbath.

Peace .

 

[Behold]

We can agree that Mosaic law was intentionally harsh, but the overall purpose of the sabbath was for everyone,

The Rules for Shabbat (the Sabbath) were given long before Moses's Law showed up.
This means that The Sabbath.... is not "under the Law".....as it came before Moses's Law.

So, when you find some Sabbath obsessed Church or Denomination or person on a Forum, you are dealing with people who don't even know what i just told you.
See the Theological mess they are in?
That is what happens when you are not a real bible student, and you live in commentaries and worry about "greek words and original greek texts".... while you belong to a CULT that has no real NT Theological understanding, including the Ministers and the Teachers and entire Leadership.

And reader, that one issue, is why you have over 40,000 "chrisitan" denominations, worldwide, and its why christian forums are, for the most part, just a confusion rendering situation.
Its a utter lack of understanding regarding the most basic "baby christian" fundamentals as found in Paul's Theology.
Most Christians are stuck in that for Life ....... And you can find out about it, in Hebrews 6:1........and not just there, but thats a good starting point.

 

[Doug]

For me the 10 commandments are the starting point in learning God's will, but if we stop there, we miss a lot!

Much love!

Here is a little more on God's will

[Galatians 1:4 KJV] "Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:"
[John 6:39 KJV] "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."

 

[HealthyShape]

Thank you for responding.

Mosaic law includes a number of provisions for killing a transgressor. We can agree that Mosaic law was intentionally harsh, but the overall purpose of the sabbath was for everyone, including servants and animals, to rest and “recharge.”

Also, you are selectively quoting Isaiah, who wrote in the first chapter: 13 It's useless to bring your offerings. I am disgusted with the smell of the incense you burn. I cannot stand your New Moon Festivals, your Sabbaths, and your religious gatherings; they are all corrupted by your sins.

Jesus also called the Pharisees to task for dwelling on the literal wording of the law, rather than its spirit. But remember, Jesus took time from his mission to attend a synagogue on the sabbath.

Peace .

It was all religious, ritualistic, sacramental... not health-oriented.

 

[HealthyShape]

Especially answer do you think its ok to steal please

This is very subjective, namely in our complicated modern world. Are the top 1% of multi-billionaires more moral than a poor mother who steals food or medication for her child, just because they have tons of lawyers to defend their ways of tax evasions or unethical riches accumulation, so everything is legally OK?

People today do not even agree what is stealing and what is not, frequently. Is asymmetrical business deal stealing? Is it OK? Are high margins or high interest on loan stealing? Is currency devaluation stealing? Is inflation and government debt in fiat/printed money system stealing? Is it OK? Is a digital copy for your own use stealing? Is forcing someone to sell something, to pay insurance or to take a loan stealing?

We do not live in simple bronze age tribal society, that is why our ethical and formal laws are much more complicated than 10 "sentences" and that is why we have courts to judge each individual case in its context.

Your "gotcha!" question is oversimplified and does not work. You would need to precisely define what act exactly you have in mind, the whole context of this act and what you mean by "OK", whether legally, morally, subjectively, "in God's eyes" or what.

Regarding the Seventh Day Adventist movement/group, read my post number 4 again.