IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE SABBATH THEN CONSIDER THIS

[HealthyShape]

Right here is what scripture says about the sabbath:
It is a blessed hallowed day.........[Exodus 20:11 KJV] "For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
It was a sign............[Exodus 31:13 KJV] "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] the LORD that doth sanctify you."
It was a covenant...........[Exodus 31:16 KJV] "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual covenant."
Israel was to remember they were servants in Egypt.............[Deuteronomy 5:15 KJV] "And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and [that] the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day."
It is a holy assembly day............[Leviticus 23:3 KJV] "Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day [is] the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work [therein]: it [is] the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings."

Yes, it was for the ancient Israel only.

 

[HealthyShape]

“For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. ”
Malachi 3:6 KJV

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What you say makes no sense. You reject the Exodus and the principles it reveals about God and man, because it's old. yet accept a2000 year old testimony of fishermen and tent makers because what... they're not old?

What you say makes no sense. We are not talking about God changing, we are talking about the intended audience of the book of Exodus. It was written by Jews to Jews, before Christ and until Christ.

What church are you from, if any?

 

[Marvelloustime]

minus the fear of them
i see it too . And its name ECUMENCISM with its anti c hrist interrelgiious dialgoue .
For they say OH WE BELEIVE the GOSPEL
but then turn and say HEY GOD is fine with all religoins , HEY we all serving the same GOD in different ways ,
HEY lets all find common ground for world peace . HYPOCRITES .
In case i have not warned you and others , ITS high time we abandon any and all who are co helpers to anything
ecumeincal . it is the last hour delusion sent to merge THE DECIEVED to be as one .
THERE WILL BE NO PEACE and safety for it and for all who sat under it , WELL , NOT ON THE DAY OF THE LORD ANYWAY .

@amigo de christo

 

[Wrangler]

Wow! Hard to imagine what is MORE health-driven than setting time aside to re-charge your batteries and fill your soul with a strong relationship with the Creator!

Hard to imagine? You did not try at all, I guess. For example somebody who sits all the work week in front of computer. For such a person, to be forced to physically rest also on the day off is unhealthy.

Strawman. You are qualifying an unqualified command.

Implied is that you are completely denying a person who works on a computer could possibly have inner turmoil in any way (needing rest from) OR have a healthy exercise routine outside of what he does for his employer.

Also, you are ignoring the 2nd part of my statement Hard to imagine what is MORE health-driven than setting time aside to re-charge your batteries and fill your soul with a strong relationship with the Creator! You're denying a person who works on a computer could possible need to fill his soul with a strong relationship with the Creator. What kind of hostility is that?

Why should I even argue with you?

Agreed. Because you have no substantitve arguments, just being divisive for its own sake, you should stop arguing in form.

 

[Doug]

Yes, it was for the ancient Israel only.

Yes it was a covenant made only with Israel , However in Paul's epistles we can find all the 10 commandments except the sabbath. They are restated but convey the essence of the 10 commandments. Here is an article I wrote on this:

PAUL RESTATES THE TEN COMMANDMENTS EXCEPT THE SABBATH​

 

[HealthyShape]

Yes it was a covenant made only with Israel , However in Paul's epistles we can find all the 10 commandments except the sabbath. They are restated but convey the essence of the 10 commandments.

If they are restated, then this identification is a bit meaningless. It is like saying that you can find the 10 commandments except two or three in the US legal system. Not sure what point that would make.

So, your point is...?

 

[Doug]

If they are restated, then this identification is a bit meaningless. It is like saying that you can find the 10 commandments except two or three in the US legal system. Not sure what point that would make.

So, your point is...?

I mean you cant say they dont apply to us today, they were just for ancient Israel. All the 10 commandments can be found in Paul except the sabbath. If the 10 were just for ancient Israel then why did Christ ask the rich man if he kept them...................[Matthew 19:17 KJV] "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."
[Matthew 19:18 KJV] "He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,"
[Matthew 19:19 KJV] "Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."....................I am not being facetious but is it ok to steal today if they dont apply?. We fulfil the commandments by walking after the Spirit and by love,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,[Romans 8:4 KJV] "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
[Galatians 5:14 KJV] "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

 

[Wrangler]

Yes it was a covenant made only with Israel

I mean you cant say they dont apply to us today, they were just for ancient Israel.

IMO, Christendom is schizophrenic on this point:

• Legalism. The 10C don't apply to Christian's on a technicality as they only apply to Israel via the Old Covenant.
• Loving others means keeping the 10C.

Huh?

If you keep the 10C, you can't go wrong. Regarding keeping the Sabbath, it is a blessing, a gift from God. I truly don't understand Christian's hostility to not get worn down by constant busyness!

 

[HealthyShape]

If the 10 were just for ancient Israel then why did Christ ask the rich man if he kept them...................

Because Christ had to die and rise again first to complete the New Covenant and then He had to return in 70AD to judge Israel and to destroy the temple to finish the period of Israel's Covenant and to end their national role.

 

[Doug]

Regarding keeping the Sabbath, it is a blessing, a gift from God. I truly don't understand Christian's hostility to not get worn down by constant busyness!

It is a blessed hallowed day.........[Exodus 20:11 KJV] "For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
It was a sign between God and Israel............[Exodus 31:13 KJV] "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] the LORD that doth sanctify you."
It was a covenant...........[Exodus 31:16 KJV] "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual covenant."
Israel was to remember they were servants in Egypt.............[Deuteronomy 5:15 KJV] "And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and [that] the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day."
It is a holy assembly day............[Leviticus 23:3 KJV] "Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day [is] the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work [therein]: it [is] the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings."

If the sabbath was violated by Israel it called for death.........[Exodus 31:14 KJV] "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.".........If you think the covenant made with Israel is for you as well, then the sabbath would have to be fully obeyed. The covenant however, also demanded death if Israel violated the tenants of the sabbath.

 

[Doug]

Because Christ had to die and rise again first to complete the New Covenant and then He had to return in 70AD to judge Israel and to destroy the temple to finish the period of Israel's Covenant and to end their national role.

And what scripture says this?

 

[HealthyShape]

And what scripture says this?

Specify "this".

 

[Doug]

Because Christ had to die and rise again first to complete the New Covenant and then He had to return in 70AD to judge Israel and to destroy the temple to finish the period of Israel's Covenant and to end their national role.

What scripture do you have to support He returned in 70AD to judge Israel and destroy the temple
Just had a thought. the temple was destroyed by the Roman legions, how could it be said it was destroyed by Christ?

 

[HealthyShape]

What scripture do you have to support He returned in 70AD to judge Israel and destroy the temple
Just had a thought. the temple was destroyed by the Roman legions, how could it be said it was destroyed by Christ?

God used nations to judge Israel and to destroy the temple even before the final destruction in 70AD and prophets said it was from God.

"Woe to the Assyrian, the rod of my anger; the staff in their hands is my wrath.
Against a godless nation I send him, and against the people of my wrath I command him, to take spoil and to take prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets."
Isaiah 10:5-6

or

"For behold, I am raising up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, who march through the breadth of the earth to seize dwellings not their own."
Habakkuk 1:6

or

"Therefore thus says the LORD of hosts: Because you have not obeyed my words,
behold, I will send for all the clans of the north, declares the LORD, and I will summon them against you"
Jer 25:8

The same applies to 70D. Read the Olivet Discourse, the prophecy of Daniel etc.

 

[Wrangler]

If you think the covenant made with Israel is for you as well, then the sabbath would have to be fully obeyed.

“Fully” obeyed wreaks of legalism. I am not claiming the old covenant applies to modern Christians and this is NOT equal to “therefore I don’t have to obey a specific command, I only get to interpret ‘love’ any old way please.”

The blessing part and obey part seem to be where people struggle. In short, God is commanding us to be blessed. Our rebellious hearts say, that Old Covenant; I don’t have to do that. What?

 

[Doug]

God used nations to judge Israel and to destroy the temple even before the final destruction in 70AD and prophets said it was from God. So it was, so to say, common way of things. Read the Olivet Discourse, the prophecy of Daniel etc.

This doesnt give me a verse.
Please, What verse/verses say Jesus destroyed the temple in 70AD

 

[HealthyShape]

This doesnt give me a verse.
Please, What verse/verses say Jesus destroyed the temple in 70AD

Read the post number 54 again. I gave you verses and what to read to learn more.

 

[Doug]

“Fully” obeyed wreaks of legalism

I am not saying the ten have to be fully obeyed. I am addressing those who say we must keep them all including the sabbath

 

[Doug]

Read the post number 54 again. I gave you verses and what to read to learn more.

Those verses say nothing about 70AD. Do you have a verse that says Christ destroyed the temple in 70AD

 

[HealthyShape]

Those verses say nothing about 70AD. Do you have a verse that says Christ destroyed the temple in 70AD

Read the prophecy of Daniel, the Oliver Discourse, all the words of Jesus about the coming wrath against Jerusalem. It happened in 70 AD.

If you expected a verse "Christ will destroy/destroyed the temple in 70 AD", then it would be absurd, prophecies do not give exact years. We know it happened in 70 AD because of history.

Similarly, we know that the Babylonian invasion happened in 605 BC, the Assyrian invasion between 745–612 BC... but there is no verse saying that.