Few are saved.

[rvmb]

Did you know BBJ, that your language of 'being tormented in the fires of hell for all eternity' is the exact anti gospel?
Did you know that you are promoting a god mirrored in the devil?

What about those who take "the mark" ?
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

[quietthinker]

What about those who take "the mark" ?
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

What about them?
...but first I will need to determine what the 'mark' means...and what 'name' means before we can begin to understand the rest of Rev. 14:11

If we use the expression, 'he is a marked man' what do we mean by that?
Taking God's name in vain is misrepresenting his character .....that's what 'name' means, ie, it means character.

Receiving or having the mark or name of the beast and his image is none other than reflecting their character. Would you go along with that?

 

[Earburner]

People are welcome to live apart from the Lord and the Lord will let them do that.

They will spend eternity being tormented in the fires of hell for all eternity but welcome to be separate from God just the same.

And so my question is: How does man who of himself is not eternal, become eternal so that he can/will live forever and ever to suffer eternal torment?

 

[Beebster]

People who are not born again of the Holy Spirit, do not have the very Life of God at any time or in any way.
Are you not now saying the same thing that I presented? Your response is only speaking the same of what I said: "If you think that the unsaved are permanently given a portion of God's Eternal Immortal being, that you call "a soul", then you must believe that even if they reject Jesus, they will continue to live eternally....."

Well no, I don't believe the word "eternal" has a place in scripture. There is a difference between the word "immortal" and "eternal."
At the present time we are mortal which means we can never be eternal; we will die. We will be given immortality and from then on we can never die.

I agree, Jesus did not raise people from the dead by CPR.
Having said that, we should learn to have a better understanding and belief about Mat. 27:50-54, as being authentic and miraculously permanent of the "many" resurrections of OC Israel into NEW Life, who had been dead for many long YEARS.

They are still dead.

Mat. 27
[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
[52] And the graves were opened; and many [not all of the] bodies of the saints which slept arose,
[53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
[54] Now WHEN the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, SAW the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
> Did you happen to notice the exact time of WHEN those OC saints were resurrected?
Yes!! Upon the very moment of Jesus' mortal death!

No, what happened upon his death was "the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;"

What happened "after his resurrection" was "the graves were opened; and many [not all of the] bodies of the saints which slept arose,
"And came out of the graves" and "went into the holy city, and appeared unto many." (Ver. 52 and 53)

And they went right back to their graves.

Considering what we both are saying in my recent response in this post, surely you can come to terms with the reality that for all who  were "remembered by God" of the OC.(Malachi 3:16-18), upon Jesus' Death, they had become the recipients of a "white robe" (Rev. 6:9-11), aka being born again of the Holy Spirit, and are11 now resting with Jesus.

And these all, (the OC Saints) having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
God having provided some better thing for us (The Elect), that they (the OC Saints) without us (The Elect) should not be made perfect. (Heb 11:39-40)

So no, they are still dead in their graves.

Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. (Mat 11:11)

The judgment of all people, while they have breath, is no future event after mortal death.

They will be resurrected through God's wrath via the lake of fire.

NO....the judgment is NOW and has been, ever since Christ spoke the following words in John 3:18
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned ALREADY, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [Indeed, "it would be good were it for that man if he had never been born"].

Yes, judgment is now for God's Elect, who God chastises now so that they will not have to endure God's wrath later.

Peace.

 

[Earburner]

Well no, I don't believe the word "eternal" has a place in scripture. There is a difference between the word "immortal" and "eternal."
At the present time we are mortal which means we can never be eternal; we will die. We will be given immortality and from then on we can never die.



They are still dead.



No, what happened upon his death was "the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;"

What happened "after his resurrection" was "the graves were opened; and many [not all of the] bodies of the saints which slept arose,
"And came out of the graves" and "went into the holy city, and appeared unto many." (Ver. 52 and 53)

And they went right back to their graves.


And these all, (the OC Saints) having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
God having provided some better thing for us (The Elect), that they (the OC Saints) without us (The Elect) should not be made perfect. (Heb 11:39-40)

So no, they are still dead in their graves.

Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. (Mat 11:11)



They will be resurrected through God's wrath via the lake of fire.


Yes, judgment is now for God's Elect, who God chastises now so that they will not have to endure God's wrath later.

Peace.

First and foremost, all born again Christians should come to terms with this one fact:
Only God the Father is able to think in the past, present and future ALL AT the same time. The words of the book of Revelation are directly from the Father. Rev. 1:1. Isa. 55:8-9.

Therefore, the book of Revelation is NOT ONLY about future events, but rather its about past and present events as well.

Though you may not fully comprehend what I am saying now, you should know and grasp that in our times today, we are in the latter time of "the last days". All of that began upon the First appearance of Jesus. Acts 2:17; Heb. 1:2.

My point in all of this, concerning the resurrection of some of the OC saints, at the time of Jesus' mortal  death is this: NO OC saint ever had the permanent indwelling of God's Holy Spirit. Because Jesus had not shed His blood for sins yet, the OC. saints could only be REMEMBERED by God (Malachi 3:16-18; John 7:39).

Therefore, Mat. 27:50-54 is only a manifestation of many (not all) of the OC saints, who were resurrected into eternal life, and since then they are presently at rest/asleep in/with Jesus, AS IS the repentant thief on the cross. These are all they whom Jesus WILL BRING WITH HIM on that Glorious Day of His return from Heaven, in flaming fire. 1 Thes. 4:14; 2 Thes. 1:7-10.

We can see the faithful OC. saints "remembered" by God in Revelation 6:9-11, which was fulfilled in Mat. 27:50-54.
[9]And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar [of the OC.] the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
[10]And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
[11]And white robes [symbolic of the Gift of the Holy Spirit] were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Quite literally, these are the symbolic 144,000 of Israel, who, while "under" the OC., lived out their lives having faith in "the Promise" that was to come.

 

[Earburner]

Well no, I don't believe the word "eternal" has a place in scripture. There is a difference between the word "immortal" and "eternal."
At the present time we are mortal which means we can never be eternal; we will die. We will be given immortality and from then on we can never die.



They are still dead.



No, what happened upon his death was "the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;"

What happened "after his resurrection" was "the graves were opened; and many [not all of the] bodies of the saints which slept arose,
"And came out of the graves" and "went into the holy city, and appeared unto many." (Ver. 52 and 53)

And they went right back to their graves.


And these all, (the OC Saints) having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
God having provided some better thing for us (The Elect), that they (the OC Saints) without us (The Elect) should not be made perfect. (Heb 11:39-40)

So no, they are still dead in their graves.

Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. (Mat 11:11)



They will be resurrected through God's wrath via the lake of fire.


Yes, judgment is now for God's Elect, who God chastises now so that they will not have to endure God's wrath later.

Peace.

No!!! You are not understanding. Upon the death of ALL who have ignored or rejected Christ, by default they ARE condemned ALREADY. John 3:18.

The words that express "eternity", is for those who ARE NOW born again Christians.
John 11[26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

 

[PinSeeker]

...I don't believe the word "eternal" has a place in scripture.

Wow.

There is a difference between the word "immortal" and "eternal."

Okay, sure, but what is immortal is eternal, with regard not necessarily to eternity past but eternity future.

At the present time we are mortal which means we can never be eternal; we will die.

This is a conflation. You're right that for now we are mortal beings, and will die (unless Jesus returns first). But when He returns, we will then be made immortal... and will live with Christ into eternity, which by definition will have no end, and thus we will be eternal. Even beyond this, there is a sense in which we have eternal life now... not that it has actually come to be, yet, but in that it is certain.

We will be given immortality and from then on we can never die.

Right.

...they went right back to their graves.

Well, at some point, yes. It might not have been "right back," as in immediately; think Lazarus... <smile> But eventually, yes. We can't know how long they remained alive. And... they will be resurrected with us at the end of the age, along with eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeverybody else, and face the final Judgment... with us, God's elect, on Jesus's right (Matthew 25). <smile>

They will be resurrected through God's wrath via the lake of fire.

Well, they will be on Jesus's left in the final Judgment (Matthew 25:41), and will go away... depart... as a result of the final Judgment (Matthew 7, 25), into God's eternal judgment, which is the second death of Revelation 20. <shudder> Our God is a consuming fire (Deuteronomy, Hebrews).

Yes, judgment is now for God's Elect, who God chastises now so that they will not have to endure God's wrath later.

This is His fatherly discipline, which He does for those He loves, and yes, can take the form of lesser judgments. But the final Judgment is yet to come, and we will stand for it, along with everybody else. The difference is that, having been redeemed, we will have an Advocate, in Whose righteousness we will stand.

Only God the Father is able to think in the past, present and future ALL AT the same time.

Well, yes... God is the Ruler of time, which is part of His creation, which He is outside of and above. So everything which is for us past, present, or future at any one point in time, is present for Him. He is in what we sometimes call the eternal now. His very Name indicates this to us. He is the great I Am. And self-existing, from eternity past to eternity future.

Though you may not fully comprehend what I am saying now...

It really, to us finite creatures, is incomprehensible. I mean we can understand the things in concept, but we really cannot completely comprehend them, cannot completely grasp them.

My point in all of this, concerning the resurrection of "many" (but not all) of the OC saints, at the time of Jesus' mortal  death is this: NO OC saint ever had the permanent indwelling of God's Holy Spirit.

This is refuted by Ezekiel 11:19-20 and Ezekiel 36:26-27, among other Old Testament passages ~ "O house of Israel... I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes and be careful to obey My rules." And in reading Hebrews 11, it is clear that we are all saved the same way, through faith, by the Spirit.

Because Jesus had not shed His blood for sins yet...

But all the sacrifices that the Israelites were told to make... particularly the lamb without blemish of Leviticus... pointed to Jesus. The only difference between us now and the Israelites of old is that they were looking forward to the coming of the Savior, and we are looking back on it. In faith. As the writer of Hebrews says at the outset of His letter, "Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son" (Hebrews 1:1-2). And Jesus Himself says the entire Old Testament ~ Moses and the prophets ~ was about Him (John 5:46, Luke 24:27. 44).

Grace and peace to you both.

 

[PinSeeker]

No!!! You are not understanding. Upon the death of ALL who have ignored or rejected Christ, by default they ARE condemned ALREADY. John 3:18.

Right... we are all condemned from birth... children of wrath, as Paul says in Ephesians 2:1-3... unless and until we are born again of the Spirit, and thus by God's grace saved.

Grace and peace.

 

[Earburner]

Wow.


Okay, sure, but what is immortal is eternal, with regard not necessarily to eternity past but eternity future.


This is a conflation. You're right that for now we are mortal beings, and will die (unless Jesus returns first). But when He returns, we will then be made immortal... and will live with Christ into eternity, which by definition will have no end, and thus we will be eternal. Even beyond this, there is a sense in which we have eternal life now... not that it has actually come to be, yet, but in that it is certain.


Right.


Well, at some point, yes. It might not have been "right back," as in immediately; think Lazarus... <smile> But eventually, yes. We can't know how long they remained alive. And... they will be resurrected with us at the end of the age, along with eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeverybody else, and face the final Judgment... with us, God's elect, on Jesus's right (Matthew 25). <smile>


Well, they will be on Jesus's left in the final Judgment (Matthew 25:41), and will go away... depart... as a result of the final Judgment (Matthew 7, 25), into God's eternal judgment, which is the second death of Revelation 20. <shudder> Our God is a consuming fire (Deuteronomy, Hebrews).


This is His fatherly discipline, which He does for those He loves, and yes, can take the form of lesser judgments. But the final Judgment is yet to come, and we will stand for it, along with everybody else. The difference is that, having been redeemed, we will have an Advocate, in Whose righteousness we will stand.


Well, yes... God is the Ruler of time, which is part of His creation, which He is outside of and above. So everything which is for us past, present, or future at any one point in time, is present for Him. He is in what we sometimes call the eternal now. His very Name indicates this to us. He is the great I Am. And self-existing, from eternity past to eternity future.


It really, to us finite creatures, is incomprehensible. I mean we can understand the things in concept, but we really cannot completely comprehend them, cannot completely grasp them.


This is refuted by Ezekiel 11:19-20 and Ezekiel 36:26-27, among other Old Testament passages ~ "O house of Israel... I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes and be careful to obey My rules." And in reading Hebrews 11, it is clear that we are all saved the same way, through faith, by the Spirit.


But all the sacrifices that the Israelites were told to make... particularly the lamb without blemish of Leviticus... pointed to Jesus. The only difference between us now and the Israelites of old is that they were looking forward to the coming of the Savior, and we are looking back on it. In faith. As the writer of Hebrews says at the outset of His letter, "Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son" (Hebrews 1:1-2). And Jesus Himself says the entire Old Testament ~ Moses and the prophets ~ was about Him (John 5:46, Luke 24:27. 44).

Grace and peace to you both.

Please hear this: Under the temple animal sacrifices, prior to shedding of Christ's blood, there was only temporary forgiveness of sin for only one year.
Only by the shed blood of Christ is there the remission/removal of sins forever.

IF SINS ARE NOT REMOVED, the Holy Spirit of God CANNOT permanently dwell within anyone. That includes the Patriarchs, prophets and all who in their moment of time were anointed by God for particular missions by Him. This is what Malachi 3:16-18 and Rev. 6:9-11 are all about. All of such are the symbolic 144,000 of OC. Israel, who by faith were waiting for the Promise to come.

 

[PinSeeker]

Please hear this: Under the temple animal sacrifices, prior to shedding of Christ's blood, there was only temporary forgiveness of sin for only one year.

The sin offerings and the repenting, then and now, were are are... should be, anyway... continuous in this life. At at any time, then as well as now, as John says in 1 John 1:9, "If we confess our sins, (God) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." In the Old Testament, Earburner, all the sacrifices were types and shadows of the true Sacrifice ~ the Lamb of God, the true Propitiation for our sin ~ to come.

Only by the shed blood of Christ is there the remission/removal of sins forever.

Sure. But our sin ~ our sinfulness, which makes sin inevitable for now ~ will never be completely removed until we are glorified. So, yeah, forever, but we will sin again... and again, and again, and again, not willingly, not dwelling in it, but struggling against it... this is the Christians walk. But then yes, when Jesus comes back, then it will be once and for all; we will no longer be sinful, completely conformed to the image of Christ. So, for now, we live a life of repentance, and we confess our sin ~ which God already knows, by the way, we are just acknowledging it and repenting of it ~ and God, again, is faithful and just to forgive.

IF SINS ARE NOT REMOVED, the Holy Spirit of God CANNOT permanently dwell within anyone.

The gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable (including the Holy Spirit, "Who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of God's glory" (Ephesians 1:14); For those of us who have been called and have been born again, the struggle within is real... and we trust in the Holy Spirit to win that battle. And He will. <smile> Well, because of His work in us, we will.

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Earburner]

The sin offerings and the repenting, then and now, were are are... should be, anyway... continuous in this life. At at any time, then as well as now, as John says in 1 John 1:9, "If we confess our sins, (God) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." In the Old Testament, Earburner, all the sacrifices were types and shadows of the true Sacrifice ~ the Lamb of God, the true Propitiation for our sin ~ to come.


Sure. But our sin ~ our sinfulness, which makes sin inevitable for now ~ will never be completely removed until we are glorified. So, yeah, forever, but we will sin again... and again, and again, and again, not willingly, not dwelling in it, but struggling against it... this is the Christians walk. But then yes, when Jesus comes back, then it will be once and for all; we will no longer be sinful, completely conformed to the image of Christ. So, for now, we live a life of repentance, and we confess our sin ~ which God already knows, by the way, we are just acknowledging it and repenting of it ~ and God, again, is faithful and just to forgive.


The gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable (including the Holy Spirit, "Who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of God's glory" (Ephesians 1:14); For those of us who have been called and have been born again, the struggle within is real... and we trust in the Holy Spirit to win that battle. And He will. <smile> Well, because of His work in us, we will.

Grace and peace to all.

I don't believe you are making the full connection of how wonderous of a work of sacrifice the blood of Christ is. Because He had no earthly father, He never inherited the sin of Adam, nor did He commit any sin during His short mortal life of 33 yrs. old.

Therefore, Jesus was the perfect sacrifice for both our sins and our sinfulness, being Himself the [sacrificial] Lamb OF GOD, which is to say: Jesus, who came from Heaven, to be crucified to death, was the only means possible by which our salvation from eternal death could be achieved.

For that reason alone, was it made possible for the first time and forward, that  THROUGH Jesus, God the FATHER could NOW PERMANENTLY dwell within His people, who are of faith in Jesus. Only by the Gift of His Holy Spirit within us, are we made to be "born again" into God's "NEW Creatures".
It is by the Gift of the Holy Spirit within us that we are made to be Holy before God, even though our own hearts [willful desires] are "exceedingly sinful".

Eph. 2
[8] For by [God's] grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God:
[9] Not of works [by our own wills], lest any man should boast.

As you can see, as much we NEEDED Jesus to be the Savior, so also did God the Father, but for different reasons.
John 14
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

 

[Earburner]

The sin offerings and the repenting, then and now, were are are... should be, anyway... continuous in this life. At at any time, then as well as now, as John says in 1 John 1:9, "If we confess our sins, (God) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." In the Old Testament, Earburner, all the sacrifices were types and shadows of the true Sacrifice ~ the Lamb of God, the true Propitiation for our sin ~ to come.


Sure. But our sin ~ our sinfulness, which makes sin inevitable for now ~ will never be completely removed until we are glorified. So, yeah, forever, but we will sin again... and again, and again, and again, not willingly, not dwelling in it, but struggling against it... this is the Christians walk. But then yes, when Jesus comes back, then it will be once and for all; we will no longer be sinful, completely conformed to the image of Christ. So, for now, we live a life of repentance, and we confess our sin ~ which God already knows, by the way, we are just acknowledging it and repenting of it ~ and God, again, is faithful and just to forgive.


The gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable (including the Holy Spirit, "Who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of God's glory" (Ephesians 1:14); For those of us who have been called and have been born again, the struggle within is real... and we trust in the Holy Spirit to win that battle. And He will. <smile> Well, because of His work in us, we will.

Grace and peace to all.

I don't believe you are making the connection of how wonderous of a work of sacrifice the blood of Christ is. Because He had no earthly father, He never inherited the sin of Adam, nor did He commit any sin during His short mortal life of 33 yrs. old.

Therefore, Jesus was the perfect sacrifice for both our sins and our sinfulness, being Himself the [sacrificial] Lamb OF GOD, which is to say: Jesus, who came from Heaven, to be crucified to death, was the only means possible by which our salvation from eternal death could be achieved.

For that reason alone, was it made possible for the FIRST time and forward, that through Jesus, God the FATHER could NOW PERMANENTLY dwell within His people, who are of faith in Jesus. Only by the Gift of His Holy Spirit within us, are we made to be "born again" into God's "NEW Creatures".
It is by the Gift of the Holy Spirit within us that we are made to be Holy before God, even though our own hearts [willful desires] are "exceedingly sinful".

Eph. 2
[8] For by [God's] grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of [the self will of] yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of works [good deeds], lest any man should boast.

 

[Button]

Once again, as with all who are duped by church-ianity, you are unknowingly misapplying the word "soul" to the reason of HOW one BECAME a [mortal] living soul.

We are not to be looking at what a soul is, but rather how man became a [mortal] living soul.

It is not a mortal living soul.
If it were,everything on the scriptures falls flat.


And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
Ecclesiastes 12:7

 

[Earburner]

It is not a mortal living soul.
If it were,everything on the scriptures falls flat.


And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
Ecclesiastes 12:7

Strong's Number - H7307 (spirit)
Hebrew: רוּח
Transliteration: rûach
Pronunciation: roo'-akh
Definition: From H7306; wind; by resemblance {breath} that {is} a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively {life} anger 6

• unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance {spirit} but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions): - {air} {anger} {blast} {breath} X {cool} {courage} {mind} X {quarter} X {side} spirit ({[-ual]}) {tempest} X {vain} ([whirl-]) wind (-y).

KJV Usage: Spirit or spirit (232x), wind (92x), breath (27x), side (6x), mind (5x), blast (4x), vain (2x), air (1x), anger (1x), cool (1x), courage (1x), misc (6x).
Occurs: 378
In verses: 348

In my opinion, I percieve by the "Holy Spirit's teaching", and not that by "the wisdom of men" from church- ianity, that "Strongs words": "breath", "air", "wind", "life" and "mind" (brain) go together quite nicely, in order to explain the Oxygenated AIR that we BREATHE.

For without Oxygen, Leviticus 17:11 would have no reason to be scriptural TRUTH, that it is indeed Oxygen that IS IN the blood, and one of the first internal organs that requires it, is the brain, aka our "minds".
Lev. 17.
[11] For the LIFE OF the flesh IS IN the blood:....

 

[Button]

Strong's Number - H7307 (spirit)
Hebrew: רוּח
Transliteration: rûach
Pronunciation: roo'-akh
Definition: From H7306; wind; by resemblance {breath} that {is} a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively {life} anger 6

• unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance {spirit} but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions): - {air} {anger} {blast} {breath} X {cool} {courage} {mind} X {quarter} X {side} spirit ({[-ual]}) {tempest} X {vain} ([whirl-]) wind (-y).

KJV Usage: Spirit or spirit (232x), wind (92x), breath (27x), side (6x), mind (5x), blast (4x), vain (2x), air (1x), anger (1x), cool (1x), courage (1x), misc (6x).
Occurs: 378
In verses: 348

In my opinion, I percieve by the "Holy Spirit's teaching", and not that by "the wisdom of men" from church- ianity, that "Strongs words": "breath", "air", "wind", "life" and "mind" (brain) go together quite nicely, in order to explain the Oxygenated AIR that we BREATHE.

For without Oxygen, Leviticus 17:11 would have no reason to be scriptural TRUTH, that it is indeed Oxygen that IS IN the blood, and one of the first internal organs that requires it, is the brain, aka our "minds".
Lev. 17.
[11] For the LIFE OF the flesh IS IN the blood:....

Now look in Strongs for its definition of, Mortal.

Your soul is from God. It returns to God at death of the mortal body.
God cannot die.

 

[Earburner]

Now look in Strongs for its definition of, Mortal.

Your soul is from God. It returns to God at death of the mortal body.
God cannot die.

Are the words "Biology" and "Chemistry" not allowed in your knowledge and vocabulary?
Unfortunately, for Moses and king Solomon etc., such factual knowledge was NOT available to them. Therefore, for what they could know about life, they did the best they could in attempting to describe what they thought how it is that we, and all that God created, have autonomous life.

The only thing that returns from us to God's created atmosphere is Carbon Dioxide.

Yes, God cannot die, but somehow we have many churches preaching that their will be Billions of unsaved people suffering eternal torment in Hell forever and ever.

Edit:
So then, is it that God (who cannot die) shall be in those people, who are eternally alive in "Hell"? If not, then how is it that THEY "cannot die"?

 

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Are the words "Biology" and "Chemistry" not allowed in your knowledge and vocabulary?
Unfortunately, for Moses and king Solomon etc., such factual knowledge was NOT available to them. Therefore, for what they could know about life, they did the best they could in attempting to describe what they thought how it is that we, and all that God created, have autonomous life.

The only thing that returns from us to God's created atmosphere is Carbon Dioxide.

Strong's Greek: 2349. θνητός (thnētos) -- subject to death

Mortal
2349. thnētos ►
Lexical Summary
thnētos: subject to death
Original Word: θνητός
Transliteration: thnētos
Phonetic Spelling: (thnay-tos')
Part of Speech: Adjective
Short Definition: subject to death
Meaning: subject to death
Strong's Concordance
mortality.
From thnesko; liable to die -- mortal(-ity).

see GREEK thnesko

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2349: θνητός

θνητός, θνητῇ, θνητόν (verbal adjective from θνῄσκω) (from Homer down), liable to death, mortal: Romans 6:12; Romans 8:11; 1 Corinthians 15:53; 2 Corinthians 4:11; 2 Corinthians 5:4. (θνητός subject to death, and so still living; νεκρός actually dead.)
STRONGS NT 2349a: θορυβάζωθορυβάζω: (θόρυβος, which see); to trouble, disturb (i. e. τυρβάζω, which see); passive present 2 person singular θορυβάζῃ in Luke 10:41 L T Tr WH after manuscripts א B C L etc. (Not found elsewhere (Sophocles' Lexicon, under the word, quotes Eusebius of Alexandria (Migne, Patr. Graec. vol. 86:1), p. 444 c.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Did you know BBJ, that your language of 'being tormented in the fires of hell for all eternity' is the exact anti gospel?
Did you know that you are promoting a god mirrored in the devil?

Where you aware that you are claiming Jesus Christ is a liar???
The old devil tricked you in to believing a lie. That's too bad for you bud.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Taking God's name in vain is misrepresenting his character

So is claiming Jesus Christ is a liar.

REPENT sinner!

 

[Earburner]

Mortal
2349. thnētos ►
Lexical Summary
thnētos: subject to death
Original Word: θνητός
Transliteration: thnētos
Phonetic Spelling: (thnay-tos')
Part of Speech: Adjective
Short Definition: subject to death
Meaning: subject to death
Strong's Concordance
mortality.
From thnesko; liable to die -- mortal(-ity).

see GREEK thnesko

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2349: θνητός

θνητός, θνητῇ, θνητόν (verbal adjective from θνῄσκω) (from Homer down), liable to death, mortal: Romans 6:12; Romans 8:11; 1 Corinthians 15:53; 2 Corinthians 4:11; 2 Corinthians 5:4. (θνητός subject to death, and so still living; νεκρός actually dead.)
STRONGS NT 2349a: θορυβάζωθορυβάζω: (θόρυβος, which see); to trouble, disturb (i. e. τυρβάζω, which see); passive present 2 person singular θορυβάζῃ in Luke 10:41 L T Tr WH after manuscripts א B C L etc. (Not found elsewhere (Sophocles' Lexicon, under the word, quotes Eusebius of Alexandria (Migne, Patr. Graec. vol. 86:1), p. 444 c.

Ok....we have the numerous meanings of the word "mortal".
Now please share your thoughts from the suggestions that Strongs provides. What is your opinion of how one is "mortal"?

Again, from my (edited**) post #216:

**So then, is it that God (who cannot die) shall be in those people who are eternally alive in "Hell"? If not, then how is it that THEY "cannot die"?

Edit:
 By your estimation, you are assuming that Adam and Eve were created having eternal life and Immortality of being. I discern that was not the case at all, but rather they were created having innocence of mind, thus knowing nothing about what is good or what is evil.

The proof of that is in Gen. 3:6. The word "good" [H2896] is used to describe the VISIBLE condition of the fruit on the "forbidden tree".
Should we say that:
1. Eve judged the tree to be "good or evil" because of its nature/character of being?
Or was it simply:
2. Eve's human discernment of that which is a good food source, as opposed to that which is a  bad food source, with the possibility of making one wise, and nothing more?

Item #2 would be the correct answer. A&E had no knowledge of what the nature/character was of other living things/ beings, whether they were of themselves "good or evil".
Therefore, having no ability in that capacity of discernment, proves that A&E were only mortal, having an innocent mind and nothing more.

So then, for them to have been given an eternal, immortal soul means that they had eternal existence like that of both God and satan (Gen. 3:22), which is to falsely say that they had the knowledge of good and evil BEFORE they ate of the "Tree of the knowledge of good and evil".

Fortunately for us, Gen. 3:22 fully describes that sordid affair. They never did have eternal existence of any kind,.....but could've, if they weren't quickly booted out of the Garden.