UFOs , Aliens and the end times

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I’d like to take your points one at a time here, if I may....
Heaven includes many things, some visible and some invisible.
The word “heaven” in the Bible has a few different meanings that a non native English speaker may not appreciate....even many English speaking church goers may not understand the differences, but they are important....

There is “heaven” where the birds fly....something inside of earth’s atmosphere, where life is sustained by the provision of oxygen.....the higher the altitude, the thinner the oxygen supply becomes....until it runs out altogether and a human needs an artificial oxygen supply to continue living outside of that atmosphere.

There is also the “heavens” where the the sun, moon and stars are located outside of Earth’s atmosphere.
This is the vast Universe that God created “in the beginning”...a time when material creation was brought into existence....the “Big Bang” as it is humorously called by Science.

Then there is “heaven” where God the Creator and his angelic sons reside. Jesus gave his Father a location in the Lord’s Prayer...”Our Father who art in heaven”....this is a place where humans cannot go...you have to be a spirit (non-material) being to reside in that realm....
The Bible merely describes a pair who violated the rules and were banished to Earth, so it does not mean that humans on Earth are the only beings in the universe.
This is a mistake....humans were created on earth, not somewhere else. God even provided a beautiful garden as a model for what he wanted the rest of the world to look like. He commissioned the humans to “fill the earth” with their children and with a succession of humans beings produced, more workers would be joining those who were already involved in the transformation as they were told to “subdue” the earth outside of the garden....it would be a labor of love, and they would get to enjoy the results of their own enjoyable work. God is a worker and he designed us to be workers too....our physical bodies were not designed to age, get sick and die.....we are made physically up to the task that we were assigned.....and there is nothing like the satisfaction of seeing a project completed...if only they had obeyed God’s simple command....
I still believe we should approach the words of the Bible scientifically, rather than assuming that this vast universe contains only us humans on Earth.
Since science is the study of God’s creation, he is the best one to consult when we need answers to our questions. Science can explain a lot of things but God explains what we need to know, not necessarily what we want to know.....man has taken thousands of years to reach his present level of scientific knowledge.

But we know that science can also sidetrack the truth by trying to eliminate the need for a Creator.
They give credit to “Mother Nature” whilst ignoring “Father God”....concentrating on the wrong “parent”.
Perhaps there are other places with their own versions of the Bible, where circumstances differ from ours, yet the truth remains the same.
“Perhaps” is not a fact...it is speculation. The Bible tells us only what pertains to life on this earth.
It makes no sense to create life elsewhere and to have it end badly, only to create a different form of life on this planet only to have it go wrong as well....I don’t think that God is that short sighted.

He plans his actions very carefully as we see in the Genesis account...what was planned to take place on a certain “day” was accomplished incrementally, in order, and it laid the foundation for the next ‘day’s’ work to build on. I do not believe that the creative “days” were a mere 24 hours in length. The Hebrew word “yohm” means more that a 24 hour day...it can also mean a period of undetermined length.

Science tells us that the earth itself is very ancient...but life on it is not as old...with humans being the newest creatures to live here. Many creatures were extinct long before man arrived......showing us that creation did not take place in a mere week. Yahweh is a Creator...not a magician.
 
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For instance, the cattle mutilation incidents in the United States—cows drained of blood—bear a striking resemblance to the sacrificial procedures described in the Old Testament.
I am not sure what you are referring to here, but animals that are slaughtered for food, were by law to be bled according Jewish law, (which would have been followed by Jesus as a Jew under law) by removing the blood from the flesh before consumption. (Lev 17:13-16)
Moreover, there was once a believer who was proactively contacted by those unidentified flying objects. I don’t think this is a coincidence. I suspect it might be a form of reminder, but humanity has grown weary of conspiracy theories and is unwilling to make the connection.
The demons are well trained in deception, and certain individuals are more prone to their influence than others. Conspiracy theories are everywhere so even if some were true it is made to appear untrue by the fact that it surrounded by fake ones.
We know a little, yet we don’t know everything. Perhaps God does not want us to dwell too much on other questions but rather to focus on our own issues. That might be why the Bible does not go into detail about such matters.
We are told what we need to know, not necessarily what we want to know for now....it’s not the time...
Perhaps, before Adam and Eve were banished to Earth, Earth was once one of the gardens of Eden. But because it was caught up in the curse, it became a kind of prison—an earthly prison. In Chinese, this is referred to as "地狱" (dìyù)hell meaning "damn or surly die", which shares the same pronunciation as "地域" (dìyù), meaning "region" or "realm."
“Perhaps” again?....but this is not what the Bible says is the genesis of the human race.
The earth was “cursed” because of their disobedience....the prospects for an unending life in paradise would have been their future if they had not taken what God claimed as his own property....just that one tree, symbolised his Sovereign right to limit the freedom he had given them....for their own good.
Thus, humanity can only break the curse by learning, here on Earth, how to tend to the garden of Eden. Only then can the curse truly be lifted.
Not what the Bible says at all....the curse could only be lifted if the debt they owed to God was paid.....
In Israel, forgiveness could only be obtained on a temporary basis by the sacrifice of animals....their blood atoned for the sins they committed. But a much better sacrifice was coming....that of the blood of a spotless Lamb, Jesus Christ....which would be a complete payment, setting humans free from sin and death for all time to come.
I naively think that perhaps many places among the stars are just like Earth—except that extraterrestrials there may still enjoy eternal life and manage their planets as beautifully as the garden of Eden.

It’s just that our situation here is different. But then again, it’s not impossible that others share circumstances similar to ours...
We can only go by what the Bible says....it never mentions other worlds, or other intelligent beings except angels....who exist in a non-material world in non-material bodies. They don’t need “ships” because they can travel from one realm to the other, instantly. (Daniel 9:20)
Who knows? Humanity is insignificant in the universe., and that is something we must recognize and understand.
Well, we are not so insignificant that God abandoned us to the sin of our first parents....he sent his most precious Son to pay the debt that Adam left to all of his children, physically trapped in sin and death with no way out on our own....and spiritually separated from God.

John 3:16 is a very favourite Scripture for many....
“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.”

Out of love, God sent his Son to die for us....and the Son offered himself willingly for the same reason.
But the second part of that Scripture is as important as the first....
Those who are “exercising faith” (IOW those who have an active faith rather than just a passive belief) will be spared the fate of those who don’t have any faith at all....as it says..they will be “destroyed”. Not sent to hell, but simply taken out of existence.


Jesus died instead of us, to free us from sin and death, once his Kingdom takes redeemed mankind back to the beginning.....the wonderful beginning that he gave them in Eden. (Isa 55:11)

Sorry this is so long....
 
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I am not sure what you are referring to here, but animals that are slaughtered for food, were by law to be bled according Jewish law, (which would have been followed by Jesus as a Jew under law) by removing the blood from the flesh before consumption. (Lev 17:13-16)
The famous "Alien Cattle Mutilation" incidents in the United States are commonly referred to in English as **Cattle Mutilation**.

For more specific descriptions or references to this phenomenon, the following expressions can be used depending on the context:

1. **Cattle Mutilation** (The most common and standard term)
2. **Animal Mutilation** (Used when the discussion is not limited to cattle)
3. **Unsolved Cattle Mutilations** (Referring to the unsolved nature of the cases)
4. **Alien Cattle Mutilation** (Emphasizing the extraterrestrial hypothesis)

### Background Information:
This phenomenon refers to a large number of mysterious cattle deaths that have occurred since the 1960s, particularly in the United States (e.g., Colorado, New Mexico). The typical characteristics include:
- Extremely precise incisions on the carcass, as if made by a laser or surgical instrument.
- Large amounts of blood drained, and specific organs (such as genitals, tongue, eyes) precisely removed.
- No blood found at the scene, and no signs of a struggle.
- Witnesses often report seeing UFOs or mysterious lights in the area.

Therefore, searching for **"Cattle Mutilation"** or **"The Santa Fe County cattle mutilations"** in English-language resources can lead to relevant historical archives and research.



The demons are well trained in deception, and certain individuals are more prone to their influence than others. Conspiracy theories are everywhere so even if some were true it is made to appear untrue by the fact that it surrounded by fake ones.
It was a Christian who witnessed the . **Cattle Mutilation** and had contact with the UFO. It was the alien who initiated the contact with him by something inside the mind or maybe we should call it spiritual.
 

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The famous "Alien Cattle Mutilation" incidents in the United States are commonly referred to in English as **Cattle Mutilation**.

For more specific descriptions or references to this phenomenon, the following expressions can be used depending on the context:

1. **Cattle Mutilation** (The most common and standard term)
2. **Animal Mutilation** (Used when the discussion is not limited to cattle)
3. **Unsolved Cattle Mutilations** (Referring to the unsolved nature of the cases)
4. **Alien Cattle Mutilation** (Emphasizing the extraterrestrial hypothesis)

### Background Information:
This phenomenon refers to a large number of mysterious cattle deaths that have occurred since the 1960s, particularly in the United States (e.g., Colorado, New Mexico). The typical characteristics include:
- Extremely precise incisions on the carcass, as if made by a laser or surgical instrument.
- Large amounts of blood drained, and specific organs (such as genitals, tongue, eyes) precisely removed.
- No blood found at the scene, and no signs of a struggle.
- Witnesses often report seeing UFOs or mysterious lights in the area.

Therefore, searching for **"Cattle Mutilation"** or **"The Santa Fe County cattle mutilations"** in English-language resources can lead to relevant historical archives and research.
Sounds evil...not something of this world....but I still would not rule out demonic activity. Reading about the things that demons did in the past, I wouldn’t put anything that is deceptive, past them.
It was a Christian who witnessed the . **Cattle Mutilation** and had contact with the UFO. It was the alien who initiated the contact with him by something inside the mind or maybe we should call it spiritual.
Christians can be fooled Ike anyone else....especially if they have had no experience with the demons.
There is a difference between something “spiritual” and something “spiritistic”. God’s word condemns things that are spiritistic....all that kind of activity is from the dark side.....supernatural things like dreams and visions, psychics, fortune tellers, astrology, spirit mediums, divination....and things like these.
 

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I’d like to take your points one at a time here, if I may....

The word “heaven” in the Bible has a few different meanings that a non native English speaker may not appreciate....even many English speaking church goers may not understand the differences, but they are important....

There is “heaven” where the birds fly....something inside of earth’s atmosphere, where life is sustained by the provision of oxygen.....the higher the altitude, the thinner the oxygen supply becomes....until it runs out altogether and a human needs an artificial oxygen supply to continue living outside of that atmosphere.

There is also the “heavens” where the the sun, moon and stars are located outside of Earth’s atmosphere.
This is the vast Universe that God created “in the beginning”...a time when material creation was brought into existence....the “Big Bang” as it is humorously called by Science.

Then there is “heaven” where God the Creator and his angelic sons reside. Jesus gave his Father a location in the Lord’s Prayer...”Our Father who art in heaven”....this s a place where humans cannot go...you have to be a spirit (non-material) being to reside in that realm....

This is a mistake....humans were created on earth, not somewhere else. God even provided a beautiful garden as a model for what he wanted the rest of the world to look like. He commissioned the humans to “fill the earth” with their children and with a succession of humans beings produced, more workers would be joining those who were already involved in the transformation as they were told to “subdue” the earth outside of the garden....it would be a labor of love, and they would get to enjoy the results of their own enjoyable work. God is a worker and he designed us to be workers too....our physical bodies were not designed to age, get sick and die.....we are made physically up to the task that we were assigned.....and there is nothing like the satisfaction of seeing a project completed...if only they had obeyed God’s simple command....

Since science is the study of God’s creation, he is the best one to consult when we need answers to our questions. Science can explain a lot of things but God explains what we need to know, not necessarily what we want to know.....man has taken thousands of years to reach his present level of scientific knowledge.

But we know that science can also sidetrack the truth by trying to eliminate the need for a Creator.
They give credit to “Mother Nature” whilst ignoring “Father God”....concentrating on the wrong “parent”.

“Perhaps” is not a fact...it is speculation. The Bible tells us only what pertains to life on this earth.
It makes no sense to create life elsewhere and to have it end badly, only to create a different form of life on this planet only to have it go wrong as well....I don’t think that God is that short sighted.

He plans his actions very carefully as we see in the Genesis account...what was planned to take place on a certain “day” was accomplished incrementally, in order, and it laid the foundation for the next ‘day’s’ work to build on. I do not believe that the creative “days” were a mere 24 hours in length. The Hebrew word “yohm” means more that a 24 hour day...it can also mean a period of undetermined length.

Science tells us that the earth itself is very ancient...but life on it is not as old...with humans being the newest creatures to live here. Many creatures were extinct long before man arrived......showing us that creation did not take place in a mere week. Yahweh is a Creator...not a magician.

I agree with your post.

Just curious, do you agree with me that A&E were expelled from paradise and landed on the evolved earth ?
 
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I agree with your post.

Just curious, do you agree with me that A&E were expelled from paradise and landed on the evolved earth ?
....I forgot to mention, new research has revealed that Earth is located within a region surrounded by a faint nebula, as if looking up at the starry sky, where a certain area appears completely devoid of any starlight—and Earth happens to be situated precisely within such a region.
 

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Sounds evil...not something of this world....but I still would not rule out demonic activity. Reading about the things that demons did in the past, I wouldn’t put anything that is deceptive, past them.

Christians can be fooled Ike anyone else....especially if they have had no experience with the demons.
There is a difference between something “spiritual” and something “spiritistic”. God’s word condemns things that are spiritistic....all that kind of activity is from the dark side.....supernatural things like dreams and visions, psychics, fortune tellers, astrology, spirit mediums, divination....and things like these.
I think the scene of humans bleeding animal corpses wouldn't be very pleasant either.
 

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There is nothing wrong with the idea that Lucifer was cast out and yet had limited access as revealed in Job. He attended that council as earth's representative, having taken the kingship from Adam. His access however would have been completely nullified after Calvary when his intentions and character were fully manifest.

We must... rely on the actual Bible Scripture, not supposition. And what I showed is not simply my opinion or supposition. I get tired of the Biblically illiterate who keep trying to use that's your opinion, or supposition excuse instead actually paying attention to the written Bible Scripture.

Read it again...

Rev 12:7-8
7 And
there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not;
neither was their place found any more in heaven.
KJV

IF... that "war" already happened back at the time of Lucifer's fall as lightening from Heaven, then that underlined bold phrase above MUST HAVE ALSO HAPPENED at that time of his original casting out. THAT... is the idea the majority are taught, and believe, yet is FALSE.

We KNOW that "neither was their place found any more in heaven" did NOT happen yet, simply because Satan and his angels appear before GOD's Throne in Heaven to accuse Job! (See Job 1 and Job 2). And we KNOW Lucifer's original rebellion of drawing a third of the stars to earth happened PRIOR to Job's time; even prior to Adam's day.
 
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Dan 2:43
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay,they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another,even as iron is not mixed with clay.
KJV

This might be referring to brain-computer interfaces or something like that, where parts of the human body are replaced by machine components, or what is called mechanical ascension.

Ideas like the Bionic Man or Woman have been around for a while now.
 
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As for created beings elsewhere. Why not? Why should we be so arrogant to assume we are the only created beings in God's vast universe?

You shouldn't just assume... thoughts of others belong to those who you haven't spoken much with, and can't be sure they believe the same as those others. I don't believe in any such idea as 'aliens', period. But I do believe 'angels' exist because God's written Word tells me so.

And the thing about 'angels' in God's Word, there are good angels, and there are bad angels, hey... just like real people in our world!

Therefore, I do not believe every UFO, or UAP that is seen popping into our earthly dimension, and then disappearing, are always bad angels. Ezekiel in the Ezekiel 1 Chapter was describing an extraterrestrial craft and God's throne was upon it!

Yet this stuff by the godless and unbelieving materialists who reject that God exists, they are the ones that are pushing the idea of real aliens existing. And they have to default to the idea of 'aliens', because they don't believe in angels either.

When Richard Dawkins, one of the world's head leading atheists was interview by Ben Stein, Dawkins was asked in final just who he thought created the earth and us humans upon it? Dawkins suggested that maybe 'aliens' did it, planting DNA here on earth. So truly, to people like Dawkins, and Eric von Daniken, GOD is an alien! That is what Satan and his host want us to all... believe.
 

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You shouldn't just assume... thoughts of others belong to those who you haven't spoken much with, and can't be sure they believe the same as those others. I don't believe in any such idea as 'aliens', period. But I do believe 'angels' exist because God's written Word tells me so.

And the thing about 'angels' in God's Word, there are good angels, and there are bad angels, hey... just like real people in our world!

Therefore, I do not believe every UFO, or UAP that is seen popping into our earthly dimension, and then disappearing, are always bad angels. Ezekiel in the Ezekiel 1 Chapter was describing an extraterrestrial craft and God's throne was upon it!

Yet this stuff by the godless and unbelieving materialists who reject that God exists, they are the ones that are pushing the idea of real aliens existing. And they have to default to the idea of 'aliens', because they don't believe in angels either.
'angels'
The true meaning is the messenger of God,
Not always the image of wings with human beings, maybe just something as us or UAP, UFO,or 'aliens'
When Richard Dawkins, one of the world's head leading atheists was interview by Ben Stein, Dawkins was asked in final just who he thought created the earth and us humans upon it? Dawkins suggested that maybe 'aliens' did it, planting DNA here on earth. So truly, to people like Dawkins, and Eric von Daniken, GOD is an alien! That is what Satan and his host want us to all... believe.
And who made the aliens? And their planet? hlf lfhhlo:csm
 

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There's been a lot of chatter in recent yrs about UFOs and Aliens , and many are saying that the chatter is simply to get us accustomed to the idea that UFOs / Aliens might actually be real so that we don't go into full on shock when they are revealed to us.

As Trump continues to realign the nations to fit his new world order , some believe the Aliens will be revealed to us some where along the way , maybe even a few yrs from now.
And there seems to be a few bible scriptures that hint at some kind of non human entities living among us at the time of the end.

So what do you think folks ?
UFO's and Aliens are hybrids developed by satan and in conjunction with the secret military bases who serve satan.

This is part of the End-Time Agenda/Deception = "lying wonders"

Currently, NASA and Hollywood are the main source of these "lying wonders" and more will come out in accordance with "the revealing of the wicked one."

2 Thessalonians ch2
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
 
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I agree with your post.

Just curious, do you agree with me that A&E were expelled from paradise and landed on the evolved earth ?
I agree only with Scripture....the earth didn’t “evolve” but was carefully prepared for habitation, if you read the Genesis account. The earth supports all life...and that life support was all in place before God made the creatures who would have their lives sustained by them....Food, water and oxygen in perpetual supply.

Life on earth has the ability to “adapt” to a changed environment, but adaptation has been taken to ridiculous extremes by desperate scientists wanting to push evolution as the mechanism for all the diverse life on this unique planet. They avoid the big question however, (how life began) because science cannot produce even a living blade of grass, let alone explain what “life” is in its many expressions.
 
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It makes no sense to create life elsewhere and to have it end badly, only to create a different form of life on this planet only to have it go wrong as well....I don’t think that God is that short sighted.

But angels and other living creatures mentioned in the bible were not created on Earth so God did create life before mankind and they were created elsewhere.
 

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But angels and other living creatures mentioned in the bible were not created on Earth so God did create life before mankind and they were created elsewhere.
Yes, but only two realms were mentioned....if there were more, why not talk about them as well?

God created beings to inhabit the realm where he resides....what concept do you have of “heaven” and those who live there?
Hopefully not the concept painted by Christendom’s artwork.

Only spirit beings who are not material creatures can inhabit that realm. Those chosen to go to heaven to rule with Christ in his Kingdom, have to be “born again”....or to be resurrected in a spirit body in order to go where Jesus went, to “prepare a place” for them...in his Father’s house. Incidentally there were no “mansions” mentioned in that Scripture. That was a figment of some translator’s Imagination.

God created the material Universe for his own purpose, but he started sentient life here by giving mortal creatures of flesh his own qualities....made in his image and likeness, but in material form. God himself has no form. He is invisible. (Col 1:15)

Life in each realm was entirely different, but we have little knowledge of the heavenly realm....and the creatures who inhabit that realm....only the small glimpses that the Bible gives us.

What we do know, is that God wanted his family united in their worship, both in heaven and on earth.
In the Lord’s Prayer, Jesus tells us that with the ‘coming’ of God’s Kingdom, that God’s will can then “be done on earth as it is in heaven.”

How do you see that being accomplished?
 

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Yes, but only two realms were mentioned....if there were more, why not talk about them as well?

There's more the bible does not mention than it does mention.



God created beings to inhabit the realm where he resides....what concept do you have of “heaven” and those who live there?

All I know is what the bible describes.


Only spirit beings who are not material creatures can inhabit that realm.

That is incorrect. Angels are physical beings and so isn't the ascended Christ but this is going away from my original point that "aliens" are real, ie: angels etc not necessarily the ones from Sci Fi shows.
 

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There's more the bible does not mention than it does mention.
But what is mentioned is what God wants us to know....we cannot assume to know what God has withheld from us so far. That may well change in the future.
All I know is what the bible describes.
What does it describe...? And through whom?
That is incorrect. Angels are physical beings and so isn't the ascended Christ but this is going away from my original point that "aliens" are real, ie: angels etc not necessarily the ones from Sci Fi shows.
Angels are not physical beings...they are spirit creatures who can materialise and dematerialise at will.
They were the ones who materialised in Noah’s day and fathered the Nephilim, who were monstrous hybrids who took the human race to depths of violence and depravity way too soon. God stepped in with a reset. He started again with Noah, because it was not yet time for his Messiah to make his appearance.

When angels came to the earthly realm to deliver their messages, they appeared in physical form, but once their mission was finished, they returned to their spirit form.

Jesus also, when he was resurrected took on physical form, although it clearly states that he was resurrected in spirit form. (1 Pet 3:18)
The bodies he materialised were for the benefit of the humans who only knew of a physical resurrection....and in God’s law, they were forbidden to communicate with spirits......a resurrection to spirit life was yet to be revealed at Pentecost, when God’s spirit revealed to them what their future life would be....in heaven with their Lord. From that day on they were eager to take up their new residence....but they had to wait for Christ’s return, when he would call them all from their graves to be “resurrected first”. (1 Thess 4:15-16; Rev 20:6)
 

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Angels are not physical beings...

I disagree. Every time an angel is described, they are a physical being and they also look like human men so much that many humans have seen angels and thought they were fellow humans and this appearance is the same in heaven. There is never a passage in the bible showing an angel changing form from non-bodily spirit to physical being.

I'll leave it at that because I don't want to diverge into multiple other topics.

Do you agree or disagree that the angels are technically aliens?
 

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Every time an angel is described, they are a physical being and they also look like human men so much that many humans have seen angels and thought they were fellow humans and this appearance is the same in heaven.
God’s law forbade his people to communicate with spirits, therefore every time angels came to visit humans, they appeared in human form. Would God expect his people to break his law? Why then have penalties?
There is never a passage in the bible showing an angel changing form from non-bodily spirit to physical being.
Jesus did....read the account in Luke 24:28-31.....after his resurrection.....he approached two of his disciples on the road....and struck up a conversation with them.....

“Finally they got close to the village to which they were traveling, and he made as if to travel on farther. 29  But they urged him to remain, saying: “Stay with us, because it is almost evening and the day is nearly over.” With that he went in to stay with them. 30  And as he was dining with them, he took the bread, blessed it, broke it, and began handing it to them. 31  At that their eyes were fully opened and they recognized him; but he disappeared from them.”

Can a human disappear right in front of people?
Do you agree or disagree that the angels are technically aliens?
Exodus 12:19 says....
“Seven days there shall be no leaven found in your houses; for whoever eats what is leavened, thatperson shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is an alien H1616 or a native of the land.”

Lev 17:10...
“And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens H1616 who sojourn among them, who eats anyblood, I will set My face against that person who eatsblood and will cut him off from among his people.”

Num 15:16....
‘There is to be one law and one ordinance for you and for the alien H1616 who sojourns with you.’”

What “aliens” do you think this is talking about? Can you show me one reference to an angel that called them “aliens”?