That's why I question this verse:
They went out from us because they weren't one (with) of us.
Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?
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They went out from us because they weren't one (with) of us.
Sorry.
I had trouble finding him. But I thought this was him.
No longer a theologian but now a yoga instructor instead. ???
Perhaps this is him?
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, yeah that got me too .LOL . The yoga Miller looks like he is 20 years older too .I think so too .
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amigo de christo
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Button it is simple . What did paul warn of , what did john warn us about
Paul , the gospel by WHICH you are saved , IF you keep in memory what i have told you .
What did john say
IF that which ye have heard from the beginning Shall REMAIN in you , then you s hall continue in the Father and the Son .
ITS FAITH IN JESUS , ITS THAT gospel .
And now a dire warning for us all to heed .
You cannot beleive and not beleive . You might b e wondering what this means . Good i will explain .
WE cant claim TO BELEIVE the gospel
which absolutely s tates that one MUST beleive from the heart that GOD rose HIM from the d ead
and confess him b y mouth to be saved
AND THIS O THER false gospel of unbelief which implies all other religions are coming to him in different ways .
Because that means we DONT truly BELIEVE one has to BELEIVE to be saved .
In other words , its really UNBELEIF we beleived in .
EITHER we , as do a child , BELIEVE JESUS , or we dont . So beware this interrelig ious interfiath ecumenical dialgoue .
HOLD FIRM to the FACT , to the ABSOLUTE TRUTH
that ONLY JESUS saves and for to be saved YE MUST BELEIVE IN HIM . Hold that firm .
And let me give us a real simple reminder that i am sure will help us .
GO to your mirror and ask y our self this one question , is there ANY WAY i could have saved myself
OR DID I NEED JESUS to b e saved . And when you realize , OH YES I DID and DO NEED HIM
then remind yourself , SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE .
Marvelloustime
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amigo de christo
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Steven , just know if this site was owned by me the trolls who always come to try and plant doubts
WOULD be gone as in removed .
and beleive you me , it aint those who BRING scrips that i would be removing either .
IT would be those who preach deconstruction and make broad the path to GOD i would remove .
Keep that in mind steven . But know this , I am not no mans judge
But i do POINT TO THE ONE TRUE CHRIST , WHO shall judge the World .
Better make darn sure you aint omitting his words st steven
cause he had this to say . MY WORDS WILL BE HIS JUDGE on the LAST DAY . oh me , and oh my .
BIBLE TIME stevie . Bible time it is .
amigo de christo
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That means he was with us, right?
We can't say he left us because he was never with us.
They went out from us because they weren't one (with) of us.
That means he sat in with us....
Gave it a shot with his scholarly mind.
And, over time, decided it was not real for him.
I believe the surprise that some showed at his departure stems from their failure to recognize the natural ability
of human talent.
Why do some presume that just because someone left their "local body" that they automatically leave their faith in Christ?? Most churches that I have attended just assume this and write the person off, of give them up to Satan. That is just plain silly. Perhaps they simply outgrew that particular church and wanted a deeper understanding of well, the deep things of God.
Those who do leave Pergamos for Ephesus or better yet, Philadelphia do so for their own reasons. Should they be treated like unbelievers, or TALKED about (gossiped about)? No, of course not. So...that verse about one leaving being "not one of us" can be taken so out of context.
JMHO.
Those who do leave Pergamos for Ephesus or better yet, Philadelphia do so for their own reasons. Should they be treated like unbelievers, or TALKED about (gossiped about)? No, of course not. So...that verse about one leaving being "not one of us" can be taken so out of context.
JMHO.
Wick Stick
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Who are you thinking of?
Bart Ehrman, who has been discussed at some length, has said in interviews that he no longer believes in God. So, no presumption necessary for that one.
I was speaking in my own experience and no, I did not watch those videos. Of course some will be obvious I did not say ALL.
How do you know they have not or are not looking for a "new" home church?
I think it was real for him.
But in time he encountered questions that led him away.
I encountered questions but decided to stay.
I'm of the mind John was referring to those who leave the Church, not a particular congregation.
As far as myself knowing whether someone I no longer see on Sunday morning is this or that, I of course have no idea.
Charles Templeton is a good example. He was an arena evangelist at the same time Billy Graham was starting. They were friends. When they went to seminary together, Mr. Templeton realized he didn't actually believe these things, and left. Later in life in his book Farewell to God he expresses that he never actually did believe. He was a talented orator, writer, among other things.
He was one of us, but it didn't appear that he was not of us until he left.
This is how I see it.
Much love!
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