Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?

[brightfame52]

This reasoning is not of God. Again with the faulty reasoning and misunderstanding the scriptures. The equation listed in Rom 6:23 is not a preference choice. Both sides remain true. God judges righteously without preference. Those who have received grace will be judged harder, not get off easy. I suppose when a person has no understanding of the truth at all, anything that sounds self-serving will appear to be right.

The power of God is a gift that overcomes all sin...so there is no need to throw away the law or distort the bible.

Are there any who fear the Lord anymore? Are any ready to meet their Maker? Is there any humility amidst all the hubris of those who claim to be Christ's but who live according to the flesh? Those that belong to Christ have been crucified to the outer man and have walked in the kingdom realm without sin....overcoming exactly as Jesus overcame.

But this kind of life and power is mocked...and unheard of in the modern religious institutions that condemn the righteous and justify the wicked for reward.

Death is the wages/penalty for sin, Christ died the death penalty for the sins of the elect, so sin and its legal penalty isnt charged to the elect. Christ took both away

 

[brightfame52]

Not sure what you think about this verse
I cited it because I was proving that sin was not imputed until there was law. Jesus took away the law, so now sin isn't imputed. But sin outside the law still exists and will be judged.

I showed you what I believe about it. The elect of God have been redeemed from the curse of the law, by the death of Christ. They can never be cursed like the goats Matt 25:41

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[brightfame52]

Why isn't this enough?

1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

True, not everyone will be saved but Jesus was sent to redeem all men. Some refused.

Jn 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

I have no problem with them. You mine since you brought them up exegete them to make a point.

 

[Taken]

Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?

In context to avoid presumption…

Does Jesus have the Power and Authority to SAVE THIS WHOLE WORLD?

YES

Will Jesus Exercise His Power and Authority TO Save this Whole World?

NO

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Episkopos]

Death is the wages/penalty for sin, Christ died the death penalty for the sins of the elect, so sin and its legal penalty isnt charged to the elect. Christ took both away

The wages of sin is death. That is an everlasting truth. Jesus EMPOWERS people by grace through faith to overcome sin just as He did. But there are very FEW followers of Jesus anymore. Most follow a decoy religion about Jesus...turning Him into an idol or genie to be exploited. But such will be rejected from His presence come judgment day.

Will people awaken from their religious delusions before it's too late?

 

[brightfame52]

The wages of sin is death. That is an everlasting truth. Jesus EMPOWERS people by grace through faith to overcome sin just as He did. But there are very FEW followers of Jesus anymore. Most follow a decoy religion about Jesus...turning Him into an idol or genie to be exploited. But such will be rejected from His presence come judgment day.

Will people awaken from their religious delusions before it's too late?

This is a rabbit trail

 

[shepherdsword]

I have no problem with them. You mine since you brought them up exegete them to make a point.

I already did...here it is again since you missed it (as you do a great many things)

Jesus died for the sins of the whole world but many refuse to believe, repent and walk in grace.

 

[brightfame52]

I already did...here it is again since you missed it (as you do a great many things)

Jesus died for the sins of the whole world but many refuse to believe, repent and walk in grace.

Thats exegeting ?

 

[Episkopos]

This is a rabbit trail

You are judging FROM the rabbit trail. The wages of sin is death...eternal truth. That's not the rabbit trail. The rabbit trail is: "for ME (because I'm special) God bends the law in my favour. For ME the wages of sin is not death." Like Agag who thought the shadow of death was in the past. Crying peace, peace when there's no peace. Filthy dreamers as Jude puts it. Clouds without rain having no fear of God.

The rabbit trail is: "Grace means I don't ever have to repent...it's all covered because I have a special saved status."

It is no surprise that such delusional ones who love a lie will be cut-off from God's presence...just like they are now...living in a religious delusion in eternal darkness...not knowing the Lord or His ways.

 

[shepherdsword]

You are judging FROM the rabbit trail. The wages of sin is death...eternal truth. That's not the rabbit trail. The rabbit trail is: "for ME (because I'm special) God bends the law in my favour. For ME the wages of sin is not death." Like Agag who thought the shadow of death was in the past. Crying peace, peace when there's no peace. Filthy dreamers as Jude puts it. Clouds without rain having no fear of God.

The rabbit trail is: "Grace means I don't ever have to repent...it's all covered because I have a special saved status."

It is no surprise that such delusional ones who love a lie will be cut-off from God's presence...just like they are now...living in a religious delusion in eternal darkness...not knowing the Lord or His ways.

That's heavy duty man.

 

[brightfame52]

You are judging FROM the rabbit trail. The wages of sin is death...eternal truth. That's not the rabbit trail. The rabbit trail is: "for ME (because I'm special) God bends the law in my favour. For ME the wages of sin is not death." Like Agag who thought the shadow of death was in the past. Crying peace, peace when there's no peace. Filthy dreamers as Jude puts it. Clouds without rain having no fear of God.

The rabbit trail is: "Grace means I don't ever have to repent...it's all covered because I have a special saved status."

It is no surprise that such delusional ones who love a lie will be cut-off from God's presence...just like they are now...living in a religious delusion in eternal darkness...not knowing the Lord or His ways.

More rabbit trail

 

[Doug]

Why isn't this enough?

1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Here is my post on this

WHAT DID JOHN MEAN THAT JESUS WAS THE PROPITIATION FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD?​

 

[Doug]

Jn 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Everyone skips verse 18...............[John 3:18 KJV] "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."...............the ones not condemned are the ones who only believe on his name. Not the cross here just his name. Christ hadnt gone to the cross yet. To believe on his name was to believe Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God. This is what Israel had to believe...................[John 20:31 KJV] "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.". Jesus only saved his people Israel........................[Matthew 1:21 KJV] "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."...............[Matthew 15:24 KJV] "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."..............Jesus doesnt say he was sent to save the world.

What wasnt revealed until Paul was that Christ saved us all

 

[shepherdsword]

Everyone skips verse 18...............[John 3:18 KJV] "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."...............the ones not condemned are the ones who only believe on his name. Not the cross here just his name. Christ hadnt gone to the cross yet. To believe on his name was to believe Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God. This is what Israel had to believe...................[John 20:31 KJV] "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.". Jesus only saved his people Israel........................[Matthew 1:21 KJV] "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."...............[Matthew 15:24 KJV] "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."..............Jesus doesnt say he was sent to save the world.

What wasnt revealed until Paul was that Christ saved us all

Jesus himself told us that he was sent to save us all:

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[Episkopos]

That's heavy duty man.

Agreed. But who said actually following Christ (not just pretending to) was easy? The easy way is the wide way where people conform to a self-serving ideology that doesn't actually know God at all. It follows the crowd.

But only a very few will be honest enough to repent and wait on the Lord for His empowerment. God gives grace to the humble. Not many of those around.

 

[Lizbeth]

Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole world? Yes, He is Saviour of both Jew and Gentile.........of those who are willing.

 

[Doug]

Jesus himself told us that he was sent to save us all:

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

I already said he didnt.....................[Matthew 15:24 KJV] "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."..............Jesus doesnt say he was sent to save the world.
Paul revealed that he redeemed all

 

[shepherdsword]

I already said he didnt.....................[Matthew 15:24 KJV] "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."..............Jesus doesnt say he was sent to save the world.
Paul revealed that he redeemed all

Jesus says it as plain as day "that the world through him might be saved"

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Do you think one can obey the Lord without knowing they are doing so? As in...When did we see you and serve you? Inasmuch as you did it to the least of these My brethren... (Matt 25 sheep and goats judgment)

Jack is referring to actually getting born again and living for the Lord, you know in agreement with Him.

Who says that people who are not Christians are rejecting Jesus?

Dude, those that are not Christians ARE rejecting Jesus

You have some very odd questions going on here.

The question you just asks seems to be coming from a universalist or some new age perspective.

I listened recently to Rob Reiner and his take on Christian nationalism. His take is that the political movement in the name of Jesus goes against the teachings of Jesus.

Wow so you are looking to someone that rejects Jesus Christ and claim they have wisdom?

This disqualifies you from ministry as this is being carnally minded.

Reiner identified as an atheist on the January 13, 2012, episode of Real Time with Bill Maher.[83][84] He later said that, while he rejected organized religion, he was sympathetic to the ideas of Buddhism.[source - Rob Reiner - Wikipedia]

Since when is not knowing someone mean you are rejecting them?

If only you actually knew what the Word of God teaches.

You are obviously walking in the wisdom of blind mankind.

This is about behaviour...ungodly and unrighteous behaviour.

Is this why you were quoting Rob Reiner who identified as an atheist and claimed he was sympathetic to buddhism which is doctrines of demons?

Check out the bible for more details...

Do you even have a Bible???

You're playing JW word games!

Ah, I see... this guy is one of them JWs.

I knew there was something freaky deaky going on here

 

[shepherdsword]

Hebrew 9:15 says he died not for the world, but for the sins Israel committed under the first testament

And that verse doesn't limit the redemption to just Israel...otherwise no gentile could be saved.