Chapters of Daniel in chronological order

[Douggg]

The book of Daniel has 12 chapters. The purpose of this thread is put those chapters in chronological order.


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Daniel 1, Nebuchanezzar's first year, Daniel taken captive to Babylon.

Daniel 2 - the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, the statue dream

Daniel 3 was during Nebuchadnezzar's reign, fiery furnace, Sharach, Meshach, Abednego

Daniel 4 was during Nebuchadnezzar's reign, Nebuchadnezzar in the field like an ox

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Daniel 7 was during first year of Belshazzar reign, Daniel’s night time dream about the four kindoms, and the little horn

Daniel 8 was during the third year of Belshazzar, Daniel had a vision, about the little horn, time of the end of his activity.

Daniel 5 was during Belshazzar's reign, hand writing on the wall, Belshazzar slain that night.

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Daniel 9 first year of Darius the Mede's reign

Daniel 6 was during Darius the Mede's reign, Daniel in the lions den

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Daniel 10 was during the third year of Cyrus, King of Persia, Daniel had a vision

.......................Daniel 11 the vision continued
.......................Daniel 12 the vision continued.

 

[Douggg]

Next, let's look at what chapters have end times implications in them.

Daniel 2, the statue dream, God's kingdom arrives over the nations, in the days of the ten kings.

Daniel 7, the fourth kingdom, the ten kings, the little horn, time, times, half time verse 7:25

Daniel 8, the little horn, transgression of desolation verse 8:13, 2300 days verse 8:14, time of the end, verse 8:17

Daniel 9 - the 70th week, 7 years

Daniel 11 - verse 36-45, time of the end.

Daniel 12 - verses 12:7, time, times, half time
verse 12:9, time of the end
verses 12:11-12, 1290 days, 1335 days
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So, let's put those 5 time frames given in the book of Daniel, and place them on the table.....

 

[Trekson]

Next, let's look at what chapters have end times implications in them.

Daniel 2, the statue dream, God's kingdom arrives over the nations, in the days of the ten kings.

Daniel 7, the fourth kingdom, the ten kings, the little horn, time, times, half time verse 7:25

Daniel 8, the little horn, transgression of desolation verse 8:13, 2300 days verse 8:14, time of the end, verse 8:17

Daniel 9 - the 70th week, 7 years

Daniel 11 - verse 36-45, time of the end.

Daniel 12 - verses 12:7, time, times, half time
verse 12:9, time of the end
verses 12:11-12, 1290 days, 1335 days
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So, let's put those 5 time frames given in the book of Daniel, and place them on the table.....

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I would say there are a lot of problems with this timeline. First, the 1260 day periods do "not" have to be a first or last half of the week, scripture never puts them in either half, only men do. Rev. 12:14 is about the remnant of Israel and/or the 144,000. This does 'not" announce the time of satan's persecution it is just saying they are out of his reach for that period of time. The 7 years of Daniel and Ezekial are "not" the same. Why would you think they were? Just because seven years is mentioned?? Ez. 39:12 is the first 7 months of the millennium and the clean-up is because of Armageddon of which God will be part of. The bible doesn't say the AoD is around for 1290 days. the 1290 days is the time "between" point A, the daily sacrifices are taken away, 1290 days later, AoD set up, point B.

 

[Douggg]

I would say there are a lot of problems with this timeline. First, the 1260 day periods do "not" have to be a first or last half of the week, scripture never puts them in either half, only men do.

I did not write 1260 days. The text in Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 12:7 says - a time, times, half time.

Rev. 12:14 is about the remnant of Israel and/or the 144,000. This does 'not" announce the time of satan's persecution it is just saying they are out of his reach for that period of time.

Revelation 12:14 are the Jews living Judea who flee right to the mountains right away when they see the abomination of desolation statue image standing on the temple mount

The Jews who don't flee right away, their paths cut off, are the remnant of the woman in Revelation 12:17.

The time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 reflects the remaining amount of time left in the 7 years.

Revelation 12:15, indicates that Satan will try destroy the woman with a flood (a large number of soldiers under the beast's command). But in Revelation 12:16, the earth opens her mouth and swallows the flood - i.e. there will be landslides burying the attacking military units.

 

[Douggg]

The 7 years of Daniel and Ezekial are "not" the same. Why would you think they were? Just because seven years is mentioned??

Because both end with Jesus's return.

Ez. 39:12 is the first 7 months of the millennium and the clean-up is because of Armageddon of which God will be part of.

No, the millennium begins at the end of the 7 years.

Gog/Magog, then 7 years. The first 7 moths of the 7 years, Israel will spend burying the dead of Gog's armies.

The bible doesn't say the AoD is around for 1290 days. the 1290 days is the time "between" point A, the daily sacrifices are taken away, 1290 days later, AoD set up, point B.

The daily sacrifices will be stopped first, and then the abomination of desolation setup 1290 days.

 

[Trekson]

I did not write 1260 days. The text in Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 12:7 says - a time, times, half time.



Revelation 12:14 are the Jews living Judea who flee right to the mountains right away when they see the abomination of desolation statue image standing on the temple mount

The Jews who don't flee right away, their paths cut off, are the remnant of the woman in Revelation 12:17.

The time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 reflects the remaining amount of time left in the 7 years.

Revelation 12:15, indicates that Satan will try destroy the woman with a flood (a large number of soldiers under the beast's command). But in Revelation 12:16, the earth opens her mouth and swallows the flood - i.e. there will be landslides burying the attacking military units.

1260 and the 'times" equal the same amount of time. I agree w/ who is fleeing but it is only a smaller remnant, the flood, could actually be water if they're fleeing in an area where breaking a dam could accomplish that. The description in vs. 16 doesn't fit a landslide. The "time" in 12:14 reflects how long they will be in hiding, not until the end of the 7 yrs. Armageddon, does not end the 70th week, nor is it said to occur on day 2520. After Armageddon there will still be 45-75 days left for Israel to fulfill the last three goals of Dan. 9:24.

 

[Trekson]

Because both end with Jesus's return.


No, the millennium begins at the end of the 7 years.

Gog/Magog, then 7 years. The first 7 moths of the 7 years, Israel will spend burying the dead of Gog's armies.


The daily sacrifices will be stopped first, and then the abomination of desolation setup 1290 days.

Ahh, I see. Ez. 39 is one of those chapters that have differing times within them. Zech. 14 is one of them. It goes from post mill, then back to the millennial era itself. Let me try to explain it this way, have you ever watched a show or movie where the opening scenes are showing a particular event, then they go to commercial and when the show comes back it says something like "six months earlier" and then starts from the past detailing the events that leads us up to the opening scene and then the story continues. Rev. 12 is one place where it is easier to see that happening but other prophecies do that to. We are told to 'rightly divide" for a reason, everything regarding unfulfilled prophecy is related in some way and the narrative we each arrive at must make sense w/ the whole of prophecy. A separate Gog/Magog war, doesn't.

 

[Trekson]

Ahh, I see. Ez. 39 is one of those chapters that have differing times within them. Zech. 14 is one of them. It goes from post mill, then back to the millennial era itself. Let me try to explain it this way, have you ever watched a show or movie where the opening scenes are showing a particular event, then they go to commercial and when the show comes back it says something like "six months earlier" and then starts from the past detailing the events that leads us up to the opening scene and then the story continues. Rev. 12 is one place where it is easier to see that happening but other prophecies do that to. We are told to 'rightly divide" for a reason, everything regarding unfulfilled prophecy is related in some way and the narrative we each arrive at must make sense w/ the whole of prophecy. A separate Gog/Magog war, doesn't.

 

[Douggg]

The description in vs. 16 doesn't fit a landslide.

I see your point.

Revelation 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Perhaps could be a landslide that combined with an earthquake that creates a large chasm which swallows up the soldiers sent to destroy the woman in the mountain sanctuary.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I see your point.

Revelation 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Perhaps could be a landslide that combined with an earthquake that creates a large chasm which swallows up the soldiers sent to destroy the woman in the mountain sanctuary.

Say what?! One of the most ridiculous carnal interpretations I’ve heard so far.

Clearly, you have no understanding of who the woman represents, how the earth “opened its mouth,” or what the “flood” the dragon cast out of his mouth actually signifies.

Did you also miss verse 14, where the woman is given two wings of a great eagle so she can fly into the wilderness? Are you going to tell us that you believe giant literal bird is going to swoop down, pick up a woman, and drop her off at some mountain sanctuary?

Until you learn to interpret Scripture spiritually and allow Scripture to interpret itself, you will continue to miss the meaning entirely.

 

[Douggg]

Say what?! One of the most ridiculous carnal interpretations I’ve heard so far.

Clearly, you have no understanding of who the woman represents, how the earth “opened its mouth,” or what the “flood” the dragon cast out of his mouth actually signifies.

Did you also miss verse 14, where the woman is given two wings of a great eagle so she can fly into the wilderness? Are you going to tell us that you believe giant literal bird is going to swoop down, pick up a woman, and drop her off at some mountain sanctuary?

Until you learn to interpret Scripture spiritually and allow Scripture to interpret itself, you will continue to miss the meaning entirely.

When does the fleeing to the mountains that Jesus warned them in Judaea in Matthew 24:15-21 take place ?

 

[Trekson]

I see your point.

Revelation 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Perhaps could be a landslide that combined with an earthquake that creates a large chasm which swallows up the soldiers sent to destroy the woman in the mountain sanctuary.

The latter is how I view it but the flood could actually be water not troops.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I see your point.

Revelation 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Perhaps could be a landslide that combined with an earthquake that creates a large chasm which swallows up the soldiers sent to destroy the woman in the mountain sanctuary.

Why are you interpreting it as if it's talking about a literal flood? Do you think it's talking about a literal woman or a literal dragon there? I'm sure you don't. So, why would it be talking about a literal flood? You need to learn to interpret the book of Revelation in a consistent manner and not interpret things literally that are obviously contained within a symbolic context. As of now, you think it's possible that a symbolic woman could be helped by the earth to swallow up a literal flood that is cast out of a symbolic dragon's mouth. Think about how nonsensical that is.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The latter is how I view it but the flood could actually be water not troops.

It says the flood comes out of the dragon's mouth. The dragon is clearly symbolic, so how could a literal flood come out of a symbolic dragon's symbolic mouth?

 

[TribulationSigns]

When does the fleeing to the mountains that Jesus warned them in Judaea in Matthew 24:15-21 take place ?

You have been here for a long time and you have seen my posts explaining what Judaea and the mountains signifies in Matthew 24:15-21 for many times, yet are your ears spiritually deaf?

You need to THINK carefully. What Judaea, and what Mountains? Should we stick to the isolated wording here? Yes, BUT search the Bible, compare Scirpture with Scripture, in order to find the interpretation. We don't fall into that, "There's no need to be complicated" excuses. We MUST search and study all of the Scriptures in order to rightly divide or determine what God is really talking about. What Judaea? What Woman? What Jerusalem? What child that sucks? What house top? What clothing you cannot take from? The key word is "RIGHTLY" determining what God is really saying:

2nd Timothy 2:15

• "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

...it's not just a line, it's the Only way of rightly dividing or proportioning the word of God correctly! Since the discourse is for the New Testament congregation. Not 70AD Jerusalem. Not 1948 Jerusalem. Therefore, Jerusalem is spiritually the woman. Judaea is spiritually the holy place of God's people. The only holy place in the New Testament on this side of the Cross! The corporate assembly. This is WHERE the abomination of desolation will be standing in! Only after Satan is loosened and works through the false prophets and christs preaching lying signs and wonders there! This is where we, Elect, need to flee WHEN WE SEE IT, because God's house is under Judgment for her unfaithfulness.

Selah!

Matthew 24 is NOT about Israel. Not about physical city Jerusalem in the Middle East. Not about Roman Soldiers. Not about your antichrist's European armies. Not about the mountains in Jordan. It is about the CHURCH, God's House, of the New Testament after the Cross. If you do not like this becasue it does not fit your chart doctrines... well TOO BAD, because it blinds you from the Truth!

@rwb

 

[TribulationSigns]

And Doug...or anyone that matter. Pay attention.

What housetops? Is it my barn? Is it a building in the Middle East? Any house that we might live in? The ONLY way to really know what it's talking about is to allow scripture to interpret scripture. As complicated as you might think it is, it is the only way!

Matthew 10:27

• "What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops."

Luke 12:3

• "Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops."

The housetops signify the pulpit, the place on high where one preaches. A podium or Dais, which is a raised platform from which to speak. What did God told us what to do about the housetop?

Matthew 24:17

• Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

Why did God warned us not to take anything out of his house, humm?

 

[TribulationSigns]

And what about Matthew 24:18?

Matthew 24:18

• Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

Have you ever checked with the parable of the sower? Do you realize that according to God, the field is the world? And what does clothes have to do with anything? And what is he doing in the world? And why he is told not to return back where? Have you thought about it carefully?

God is talking about His people who are out on a missionary in the world instead of regularly going to home assembly every Sunday. But is told not to return back to their home church to take HIS CLOTHES. What clothes or garment is it? It is his clothes of righteous. Although he is already sealed with the Holy Spirit, there is no need for him to go back to his home assembly to get his clothes of righteous. It is because his assembly has the abomination of desolation stands therein, in case if he "sees" it. So he need to stay away from the house to avoid God's judgment (plagues) upon the church. This is why Christ warned that it will be a time when men with spirit of devils are going out in the world to attack the church or assemblies from WITHIN to deceive many as a judgment of God, which is why He wants us to stay away or risk yourself to be deceived also... if that is possible (Matthew 24:24).

Revelation 16:13-16

• And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
• For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
• Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
• And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Christ will come upon the church like a thief, meaning that the unsaved within the congregation will not recognize that judgment has come upon them. They will continue as if everything is normal and praising the Lord with entertainment songs, unaware that Christ is visiting His house in judgment! That is the point of what the battle of Armageddon is like!

The warning was given so that believers would remain watchful and keep their garments, but the unregenerate in the churches will not perceive what is happening. Just as a thief comes unexpectedly in the night, so Christ’s judgment will come upon the unfaithful congregation without their awareness, just like God did with the Jews of the Old Testament!

But to us, Christ commanded us to hold fast to our garments—the garments of salvation—and to stand afar off and remain watchful until the battle of Armageddon is finished as far as the judgment of the church is concerned! Armageddon is not a physical war between nations, but a spiritual battle against and within the churches throughout the world where false prophets and false christs have taken authority, replacing the true Christ with their own doctrines and "lying signs and wonders."

This is why God is gathering them together like the tares being banded, Matthew 13:30, during Armageddon as a judgment. It is the hour of judgment upon the unfaithful congregation—Babylon the Great. She is a mystery to many because, just like the Jews of the Old Testament, they refuse to believe that God would ever judge His own house.

But history repeats itself. Deja vu. God judged the Old Testament congregation for their unfaithfulness, and He will do the same again. Judgment begins with the house of God. This must take place BEFORE Christ returns!

So Douggg...No, I am not making it complicated, it "IS" complicated to those who does not have spiritual discernment. And the worst thing in the world to do is take something complicated as the unadulterated Word of God, and handle it as if it were a children's book or timeline charts to be understood by EVERYONE. That is not how it works with the Bible. The Bible is the most intricate, consistent, and knowledgeable book ever given to man!

@rwb

 

[Trekson]

It says the flood comes out of the dragon's mouth. The dragon is clearly symbolic, so how could a literal flood come out of a symbolic dragon's symbolic mouth?

A verbal order to bust the dam.

 

[Douggg]

Why are you interpreting it as if it's talking about a literal flood? Do you think it's talking about a literal woman or a literal dragon there? I'm sure you don't. So, why would it be talking about a literal flood? You need to learn to interpret the book of Revelation in a consistent manner and not interpret things literally that are obviously contained within a symbolic context. As of now, you think it's possible that a symbolic woman could be helped by the earth to swallow up a literal flood that is cast out of a symbolic dragon's mouth. Think about how nonsensical that is.

The flood, I think, is great number of troops sent to destroy them who had fled into the mountains of Israel.

The earth opening its mouth to swallow up the metaphorical flood, I think, will be an earthquake opening a chasm as the convoy of troops traveling on the highway first enter the mountains. Landslides from above the highway, caused by the earthquake, will sweep across the highway and sweep the convoy into the chasm.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The flood, I think, is great number of troops sent to destroy them who had fled into the mountains of Israel.

Wow! So Douggg—the guy who always insists on a rigid, wooden literal interpretation of everything—is suddenly spiritualizing the Flood now? How convenient. Amazing how “literal” only lasts until it becomes inconvenient.


Now I will explain what Revelation 12:13-17 talks about if anyone have spiritual ears to hear:

Rev 12:13-16
(13) And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
(14) And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
(15) And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
(16) And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
(17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Before the Cross, the woman represented the Old Testament congregation—Israel—when Christ was born. But after the Cross, after Christ ascended to heaven and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, the woman NOW represents the New Testament congregation. Remember the kingdom of God was taking from Israel and gave to other which is the New Testament Church. This is what happened. And church has fled into the wilderness, which signifies the world that was without the water of the Gospel. There she now proclaims the Gospel.

The dragon was cast out of the Old Testament congregation that fell, and he was bound at the Cross so that he could not deceive the nations (the Gentiles) where the woman fled to. This is why the woman could go forth into the wilderness and expand the kingdom to the ends of the earth.

Immediately the serpent tried to cast water out of his mouth like a flood after the fleeing woman signifies persecution from national Israel—figures such as Saul, the Pharisees, the scribes, and other enemies of the Gospel—who tried to frustrate and stop the church from being established in the world. Obviously they have failed.

The earth signifies the world. Thus the world helped the woman BECAUSE this is where she fled after the Cross, after the man child was born, ascended to heaven, and the Holy Spirit was poured out.

The wilderness is a synonym for the Gentiles nations, which were like a desert before the woman—the Israel of God—took refuge there from the persecution of national Israel. So the earth (the world) helped the woman because it is where she fled from the face of the serpent.

Woman Israel, now representing the New Testament church, has gone to the nations—the Gentile world who did not know God. Thus the deserts now bloom with the Gospel. And the dragon is enraged and went to make war with the remnant of her seed - Christians, ever since the Cross until today.

This is what Revelation 12:12–17 is about. It is not about your vision of armies chasing Jews who flee to physical mountains. Absurd interpretation, Douggg!

@rwb