Earburner
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From my post #34:
Actually, it is very simple, when one understands KJV Dan. 9:24 and the Six works of God that Jesus had to perform, establish and "finish". John 17:4.
When Might Satan With His Angels Come to This Earth For the Tribulation?
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Actually, it is very simple, when one understands KJV Dan. 9:24 and the Six works of God that Jesus had to perform, establish and "finish". John 17:4.
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What is simple is how easy it is to just 'notice' how this present day world is among the nations, and then... simply COMPARE it to Christ's future Kingdom reign over ALL nations.
One of the biggest lies to tell oneself about Christ's Kingdom, and makes one look a fool, is to say that Christ's Kingdom INCLUDES all of today's EVIL that is still in this world, and even on top of that, trying to claim that Jesus Christ is reigning over those evil people and nations today.
What you said about Satan already cast out is Bible? Hardly. That's a doctrine of men 'loosely' based on what Lord Jesus said in John 12:31...
John 12:31
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
KJV
Did you not notice Lord Jesus included that "Now is the judgment of this world:" along with that casting out?
You obviously have not understood what Lord Jesus said here either about His Judgment of John 12:31...
John 16:7-11
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you.
8 And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on Me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to My Father, and ye see Me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
KJV
That is what Christ's cross did with Satan; it sealed the judgement of Satan so that he would be subject to the "lake of fire" after Christ's future return. Today's world has actually not been judged by Christ yet, meaning all men. Don't you recall that every soul must stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ? (2 Cor.5:10)
John 5:22-24
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father Which hath sent Him.
Just when... will all men honour the Son? When Jesus returns in our near future.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him That sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
KJV
So tell me, do you think the world was judged by Christ at His cross?
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Earburner
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Years ago, satan fell from heaven, BUT he was NOT barred or "bound" from re-entering into heaven, to approach God the Father's presence. Job 1:6-12.
Luke 10
[17] And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
[18] And he said unto them, I beheld [witnessed as a spectator] Satan as lightning fall from heaven [years ago].
Gen. 3:14.....upon thy belly shalt thou go, and DUST /[earth] shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Ref. my post #34:
However, ever since Jesus' death and resurrection, Satan was indeed then permanently "bound" to this earth (which is "the bottomless pit", "into chains of darkness") and therefore no longer has access into Heaven, OR INTO ANYONE WHO BELONGS TO HEAVEN, aka born again Christians!!
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KJV John 12:31 simply explains what literally happened to satan. He was permanently cast out of heaven and onto the earth
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be [permanently] cast out [of heaven]
The bottomless pit means endless grave/death. This Earth is the grave (place) of satan's endless death.
KJV Rev.9
[1] And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
[2] And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
[11] And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
Rev.11
[7] And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev.17
[8] The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev.20
[1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain [of darkness] in his hand [figuratively]. (See 2 Peter 2:4).
[3] And cast [thrust] him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
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I think I'll believe what God did. He cast Lucifer and his angel bretherin with him, out of Heaven after Lucifer and 1/3rd of God's angels went to war with God and lost.
As such Lucifer became ha Satan and lord of this world. As he was called in the New Testament.
Which is why Satan was here to tempt Jesus in the wilderness.
And to answer your red font question.
I think the world was blanketed in God's grace after Jesus "died" on the cross.
No one could come to Jesus unless God called them into that gift God gives.
According to your idea, Satan cannot exist yet. He's still Lucifer ,Light Bringer,in Heaven.
Which means ,being angels are servants of the most high,God is sending Lucifer into the world so to perpetrate evil.
He's Lord of this world by God's decree. But can still serve and visit Heaven at will.
What you might consider is the term,revelation, can also mean the revealing of things past. And so to show why the world is what it is in Johns day. And beyond.
Yet per the Revelation 12:7-8 Scripture, when that war happens, their PLACE WILL NO MORE BE FOUND IN HEAVEN...
Rev 12:7-8
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
KJV
Per the Book of Job, etc., Satan and his angels have been allowed in Heaven, even right before The Father's Throne to accuse God's people. That reveals this war in Heaven of Rev.12:7 has not happened yet.
So you should read and understand the actual Bible Scripture as written, before just latching onto a doctrine of men and trying to prove anything else wrong.
Not good enough... you failed to answer my question:
So tell me, do you think the world was judged by Christ at His cross?
Partly true as Daniel 9:26b suggests that the war in heaven has been ongoing since the Temple was destroyed and the Israelites either killed or sold into slavery into the four corners of the earth.
Daniel 9:26b: - Fifth Prophecy[1]
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
[1] Verse 26b speaks of the destruction of the city and its sanctuary which will last until the end of the trampling of God’s Sanctuary and His earthly hosts at the completion of the decreed 2,300 years. At this time the visitation of the Father’s iniquities upon their children and the children’s children will also end. Verse 26b has a time span of around 2,000 or so years and ends when Isaiah 24:21-22 is fulfilled and the Judged heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth are imprisoned.
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What you have posted is fundamentally true except the war in heaven has been fought over the timespan of the past two ages or part thereof.
However, the completion of the war in heaven will end with the fulfilment of Isaiah 24:21-22 when the Heavenly hosts are judged in heaven and are gathered together on the face of the earth and then dispatched into a cistern/pit for many days which Rev 16:12-16 tells us will happen soon when the Kings of the earth gather at Armageddon to also be judged.
My understanding that Armageddon will occur around the year 2045 AD give or take a year or two on either side.
Davy, the above advice is applicable to all who comment on this forum. We all fall short in the department of understanding what the scriptures contain.
Shalom
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Obviously. The world system was judged and Satan's power in the second death was defeated..
No, this present world has not... been judged yet.
The Biblical evidence for that is written throughout The New Testament, especially at the end of Revelation 20 at the Great White Throne Judgment and casting into the lake of fire.
But there are 'hidden' religious factions that exist among Christianity that want us to think... that Christ's Kingdom has already come in this present world, when Lord Jesus specifically said it has not (John 18:36). Those false ones are planning on their "one world government" for the end of this world, which will involve that "man of sin" of 2 Thess.2 that Apostle Paul warned us about for the end. He will proclaim himself as God and over all that is called God, Paul said. That means he is coming to mimic Lord Jesus Christ in Jerusalem, and the majority of the world will believe it.
That is why they must proclaim Jesus' Kingdom having already come on earth today, even though God's Word shows Lord Jesus must RETURN back to this earth in order for that to happen.
Why do you put a hands praying emoji on what I posted?
Don't you understand about the coming one-world beast kingdom of Revelation 13:1 that is being setup today on earth? And don't you understand Lord Jesus' warning about a coming false-Christ to Jerusalem working great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world, which is the same warning that Apostle Paul gave in 2 Thessalonians 2 about that coming "man of sin" at the end of this world who will sit in a new stone temple built in JERUSALEM, and play GOD, and over all that is even called... God, or that is worshiped? Didn't you understand Apostle Paul on that, or have you been spiritually ASLEEP and DRUNKEN IN THE NIGHT?
HOW... is it possible that Christ's Kingdom has come upon this earth when that coming one-world beast kingdom ruled by Satan the "dragon" over ALL NATIONS AND PEOPLES FOR 42 MONTHS, is set to happen in our near future? Are you able to think for yourself?
ONLY Christ's Kingdom of The SPIRIT has come upon the earth today, at His cross. It is manifested THROUGH HIS CHURCH HERE ON EARTH, and that means through HIS BODY OF BELIEVERS, not through any Church building or material thing. Don't you understand that while Satan and his works are allowed to work in this present world time all the way up to Christ's future return, that means IF... Christ's 'literal' Kingdom were already established on earth today, Satan and his workers would destroy it? How many Christian Churches have been burned during this present world? You'd be surprised at the number, and it's still going on.
But no matter, because CHRIST'S TRUE CHURCH today is manifest through THE SPIRIT. And anyone who even attempts to mess with His Church of The Spirit is simply 'cut off' from it.
John 18:36-37
36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But My kingdom is not from the world.”
ESV
Earburner
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Instead of announcing just the "front page news" ONLY, (Rev. 12:7), by God's Holy Spirit, you should read the whole "article" of Rev. 12:1-11, and THEN you will see the history of satan, right up to the first appearance of Jesus, "the Lamb of God". It was by His death and resurrection that sealed satan's fate forever, of him never being able to leave planet earth, or to enter into heaven ever again.
Jesus' verification of both accounts☆☆
is sufficient for me. It reveals them to be PAST, of what has happened to Satan, since His rebellion against God!!
In ref. to KJV Gen. 3:14**, Jesus [the Tree of Life] recalls what he SAW of satan's fall from his place from heaven.
☆☆KJV Luke 10
[18] And he said unto them, I [Jesus] beheld [past tense] Satan as lightning fall from heaven. See also Isa. 14:12
** Gen. 3
[14] And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and DUST [earth] shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: See also Job 1:6-7.
☆☆KJV John 12
[31] NOW [at this time] is the judgment of this world:
NOW [at this time] SHALL the prince of this world be cast out [of heaven permanently].
Rev. 12
[12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil IS COME DOWN unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time [in relation to eternity].
>Satan's "short time" began in the day when Jesus was crucified and resurrected into Eternal New life. ☆☆ KJV John 12:31.
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Nah... you're actually only trying... to change the subject, because I well understand what the Rev.12:1-FIVE verses declare, which is a history from the time of the 'old world' when Lucifer first rebelled and drew a third of the angels with him, up to Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His promised "rod of iron".
Nice try though, with you intentionally... mixing up those later Rev.12:6-11 verses as being part of that history, which they are not.
The 1260 days of Rev.12:6 is about the first part of Daniel's symbolic final "one week" of Dan.9:27, and has NOT been fulfilled yet, but is still in the works today with God protecting His Church in the symbolic "wilderness" who are in The Gospel of Jesus Christ.
THEN... in OUR NEAR FUTURE... the Rev.12:7 war in Heaven will happen, which represents the MID-POINT of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week" of seven years, with Satan and his angels coming to earth and stopping the orthodox Jew's sacrifices in Jerusalem, and instead placing the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in the new Jew's stone temple that will have been built there. This is when all those Rev.12:7-17 verse events are all connected together about the very END of this world, during the "great tribulation" time.
The Scripture evidence for that is easy to see there also, because Rev.12:8 shows Satan and his angels being 'literally'... cast OUT of Heaven, down to the earth, with their ABODE in Heaven no longer being there. And there ain't... any other place they can go except here on earth, in plain sight, because there's ONLY TWO dimensions of existence written of in all of God's Word. And we know... for certain... that casting out did NOT happen in the past, because after Satan had rebelled he shows up before God's Throne in Heaven, with his angels, to accuse Job before God. That is why the Rev.12:10 verse points out about Satan being able to accuse God's people before God's Throne, because once cast out, Satan won't be allowed in Heaven anymore to do that. It's a simple matter of 2 + 2, for those who can do arithmetic that is.
Then Rev.12:11 is specifically about the events of the 5th SEAL of Rev.6 which Lord Jesus opened in description. The saints killed for giving the Testimony of The Word of God that are in Heaven under the Altar ask God "How long..." before He avenges their blood. And He tells them to wait a little season for their brethren and fellowservants who will be killed for that Testimony as they were, which is about the coming "great tribulation" timing. They will overcome the dragon (Satan) by The Blood of The Lamb Jesus Christ. Now really show Biblical ignorance and try to claim THAT already happened back at Satan's original fall.
The Rev.12:12-17 verses are then about the latter half of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week", a period of 1260 days. That is when what comes out of the 'mouths' of the locusts of Rev.9 will 'sting' those NOT sealed with God's Seal for a period of "five months", that being the time Jesus shortened the tribulation to. Rev.12:17 specifically mentions those who have the Testimony of Jesus Christ, so it is not just only about believing Jews of the seed of the symbolic woman. It is about the WHOLE of Christ's Church of both believing Israelites and believing Gentiles, as ONE BODY.
Earburner
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Unfortunately, you are persistently unaware that the book of Revelation is directly from the Mind of God the Father, who speaks in the past, present and the future, ALL AT THE SAME TIME. Isa. 55:8-9.
All of that should tell you that the book of Revelation is not only just about the future.
However, if that weren't bad enough, you blatantly ignore that the 70th week of Daniel is the actual first 3.5 years of the joint ministry of John the Baptist for 6 mos. and Jesus for 3.0 years, whereby the six works of God (Dan. 9:24) were given to Jesus to perform and "Finish", of which he did do, as he declared in John 17:4.
[4] I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Not only did Jesus fulfill His "mortal ministry" upto "the midst of the [70th] week", when "he was cutoff [crucified] but not for Himself", but after His Resurrection, he continued to nurture and work with the Early Church for the remaining 3.5 years of that 70th week, even into Paul the Apostle's ministry, when he was called by the Lord Jesus Himself, while he was traveling on the road to Damascus. You know that scene very well!
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Those silly remarks just proves how DECEIVED YOU ARE, and shows you don't know what Christ's Book of Revelation is really about, you are so BLINDED.
I feel sorry for anyone who believes what you say.
BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
Did you know that Daniel 12 gives us a hint of the end time prophecy about the coming Revelation 12:7-8 war in Heaven between Archangel Michael and his angels vs. Satan and his angels?
Dan 12:1-2
12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
KJV
Those events are timed for the very END of this world, for the time of "great tribulation", and to the time of Christ's future return, and then His Judging from the Book of Life.
Here is where Lord Jesus repeated that idea of Daniel 12:1 about a "time of trouble" at the END...
Matt 24:21
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
KJV
That idea of Daniel 12:1 with, "And at that time shall Michael stand up..." uses a word (amad-OT:5975) that can mean to literally stand in front of someone or something, or to make a stand in battle against someone or something. Who might that 'stand' be against that Archangel Michael will make? The timing given there we know about the coming "great tribulation" time as that "time of trouble". And who is coming to this world in order to cause that future trouble?
2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV
Rev 12:7-9
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
KJV
That casting of Satan and his angels out of the Heavenly dimension has NOT happened yet today. That is what the Daniel 12:1 verse is talking about with Archangel Michael making a stand which then follows a time of trouble that has never been on earth before, nor will ever be again.
Think about just that coming "time of trouble" and "great tribulation" that Lord Jesus called it. This present world has already had two world wars, earthquakes in various places, famines, pestilences, etc., so how much worse can things get? That depends on what viewpoint one is looking with. Lord Jesus said that we'd hear of wars and rumors of wars, but not to be troubled by that, because the END is not yet, meaning the END of this world, i.e., the "time of trouble", will be a time when all wars have stopped, which means a time of world peace. Now that is looking at the "time of trouble" with a different viewpoint, one that many brethren are not being taught to consider, and is actually the KIND of trouble God's Word is pointing to for the END, i.e., spiritual deception to a false-Messiah doing great signs, wonders, and miracles in JERUSALEM, who will proclaim to be The Christ.
Did you know that Daniel 12 gives us a hint of the end time prophecy about the coming Revelation 12:7-8 war in Heaven between Archangel Michael and his angels vs. Satan and his angels?
Dan 12:1-2
12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
KJV
Those events are timed for the very END of this world, for the time of "great tribulation", and to the time of Christ's future return, and then His Judging from the Book of Life.
Here is where Lord Jesus repeated that idea of Daniel 12:1 about a "time of trouble" at the END...
Matt 24:21
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
KJV
That idea of Daniel 12:1 with, "And at that time shall Michael stand up..." uses a word (amad-OT:5975) that can mean to literally stand in front of someone or something, or to make a stand in battle against someone or something. Who might that 'stand' be against that Archangel Michael will make? The timing given there we know about the coming "great tribulation" time as that "time of trouble". And who is coming to this world in order to cause that future trouble?
2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV
Rev 12:7-9
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
KJV
That casting of Satan and his angels out of the Heavenly dimension has NOT happened yet today. That is what the Daniel 12:1 verse is talking about with Archangel Michael making a stand which then follows a time of trouble that has never been on earth before, nor will ever be again.
Think about just that coming "time of trouble" and "great tribulation" that Lord Jesus called it. This present world has already had two world wars, earthquakes in various places, famines, pestilences, etc., so how much worse can things get? That depends on what viewpoint one is looking with. Lord Jesus said that we'd hear of wars and rumors of wars, but not to be troubled by that, because the END is not yet, meaning the END of this world, i.e., the "time of trouble", will be a time when all wars have stopped, which means a time of world peace. Now that is looking at the "time of trouble" with a different viewpoint, one that many brethren are not being taught to consider, and is actually the KIND of trouble God's Word is pointing to for the END, i.e., spiritual deception to a false-Messiah doing great signs, wonders, and miracles in JERUSALEM, who will proclaim to be The Christ.
HOW... can this casting out of the Heavenly dimension of Satan and his angels coming here in OUR earthly dimension be even possible?
Brethren in Christ, you do read God's written Word for yourself also, don't you? Have you never read about angels appearing upon this earth? Even in Hebrews 13:2, we are admonished to be hospitable to strangers, because some have entertained angels and didn't know it. That means those angels did not appear on earth with bird wings, etc. They appeared here on this earth with the image of men. (See Genesis 18 & 19)
And with God's prophet Isaiah and Apostle Paul being allowed to 'see' into the Heavenly dimension, that also reveals there is another... reality that exists behind the veil of this flesh world existence. (See Isaiah 6, 2 Corinthians 12).
I have even tried to reveal about that other reality of the Heavenly dimension, the world made up of SPIRIT where our Heavenly Father and the angels dwell, per the Hebrews 11:3 verse which is very profound, because it shows that the material things of this world that we see were not made of the material matter that appears. It means this material world, or earthly dimension, was created from that OTHER world of SPIRIT where GOD dwells. And that world of SPIRIT is not made up of material matter. Apostle John even says in John 4 that "God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth."
Since God created this earthly material world from that other... dimension of SPIRIT, the Heavenly, it means that other dimension of the Heavenly is the MORE real one, as it existed before this earthly creation was created. Why then do most have a greater focus on this earthly material world then? It has to do with the deceptions of this present material world and Satan and his workers who keep that deception going in people's minds. Many are simply too scared to think about what they cannot see; they fear the unknown and won't do much about that fear by getting into God's Word for themselves. And that makes my heart sad, because God took the time to write His Personal Letter to each one us, and translated in each person's language, so they would not fear, and would get to know Him and His Son Jesus Christ.
Those in Christ will never properly understand the coming events upon this earth at the END without first understanding about that other dimension of reality, the Heavenly, and how angels are able to appear and live upon this material earth. It is not simply about some disembodied spirit idea popular among those who only think with their fleshy mind. God created the angels also with the image of man, from God's Own Image likeness. And that means even Satan has that image of man also.
Brethren in Christ, you do read God's written Word for yourself also, don't you? Have you never read about angels appearing upon this earth? Even in Hebrews 13:2, we are admonished to be hospitable to strangers, because some have entertained angels and didn't know it. That means those angels did not appear on earth with bird wings, etc. They appeared here on this earth with the image of men. (See Genesis 18 & 19)
And with God's prophet Isaiah and Apostle Paul being allowed to 'see' into the Heavenly dimension, that also reveals there is another... reality that exists behind the veil of this flesh world existence. (See Isaiah 6, 2 Corinthians 12).
I have even tried to reveal about that other reality of the Heavenly dimension, the world made up of SPIRIT where our Heavenly Father and the angels dwell, per the Hebrews 11:3 verse which is very profound, because it shows that the material things of this world that we see were not made of the material matter that appears. It means this material world, or earthly dimension, was created from that OTHER world of SPIRIT where GOD dwells. And that world of SPIRIT is not made up of material matter. Apostle John even says in John 4 that "God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth."
Since God created this earthly material world from that other... dimension of SPIRIT, the Heavenly, it means that other dimension of the Heavenly is the MORE real one, as it existed before this earthly creation was created. Why then do most have a greater focus on this earthly material world then? It has to do with the deceptions of this present material world and Satan and his workers who keep that deception going in people's minds. Many are simply too scared to think about what they cannot see; they fear the unknown and won't do much about that fear by getting into God's Word for themselves. And that makes my heart sad, because God took the time to write His Personal Letter to each one us, and translated in each person's language, so they would not fear, and would get to know Him and His Son Jesus Christ.
Those in Christ will never properly understand the coming events upon this earth at the END without first understanding about that other dimension of reality, the Heavenly, and how angels are able to appear and live upon this material earth. It is not simply about some disembodied spirit idea popular among those who only think with their fleshy mind. God created the angels also with the image of man, from God's Own Image likeness. And that means even Satan has that image of man also.
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When Might Satan With His Angels Come to This Earth For the Tribulation?
In Brief…big picture…
Satan and “his” “fallen” angels are already present on this Earth.
Satan and “his” angels…
*Presently on Earth, attempt through cunning tactics to draw humans Away from the Lord God.
* “During the Tribulations”, sent down from Heaven…
They Shall have a small window of opportunity and authority to rule this World, over their followers,
AND
over those not committed in Belief in the Lord God…
AND
with power to KILL, those WHO choose during the Trib to commit to the Lord God,
AND
The same willing to bodily Die, (by Fallen angels Power)… For their newly established commitment to the Lord God.
Thereafter…
Departed living souls of men who followed Satan…
Separated…from Earth…sent to Hell.
Thereafter…
Living Believing men, neither Soul Saved ie. (committed), who managed to NOT be bodily KILLED during Satans “short world reign”…
They Remain ON Earth.
Thereafter…
The Word of God (called Lord Jesus)
The Power of God (called Christ the Lord Jesus)…
The Son of Man (visible to human eyes)
Descends From the Clouds…( with “his” invisible TO human Eyes) …angels and (Saints IN Christ )
He.. Christ the Lord Jesus, Son of Man…called Son of God…
Sits on a Specific White Cloud… that ALL…
* Spiritual eyes in Heaven…
* Spiritual angels, Saints with Him, can see Him.
* Fallen Angels chained in Hell…can see Him,
* Fallen Angels ON Earth…can See Him…
* Departed Living Souls in Hell, can See Him…
This is the First Occurrence…of “every” created Angel and “every” created human mans SOUL…at the Same Time ”Seeing”
Christ the Lord Jesus “as” HE was first “Presented (to a small portion of this World, “as” the “legal” Son of Man
AND Spiritual “Son of God”.
Thereafter…(the look /see) of this Famed World Renown, talked about, written about, debated, accepted, rejected…Son of God…
* All Fallen Angels Are Cast down to Hell.
* Christ The Lord Jesus claims His “Promised Earthly Land Inheritance”, Earthly Land Kingdom, Earthly Throne….AND “KING of kings” Title”,
And With Him…
His Angel Servants in HIS Kingdom.
AND With Him…
Glorified Bodily Risen, Soul Saved, Spirit Quickened Saints, Also in such Kingdom being “their Land Inheritance to Occupy, (WITH Their KING Christ the Lord Jesus).
Outside The Lords Kingdom… “unsaved but Believing Mortal men”, ( having managed to escape bodily death during the Trib)
Begin… establishing their own claims to lands…
They…establish governance, appoint kings, build villages, towns, cities, grow crops, manufacture goods, trade with other people and Nations…
And ALL share the common belief in The Lord God…
And All are WITHOUT cunning influences of fallen angels….temporarily (1,000 years) sent to Hell.
Teaching of Christ Jesus “KING of kings, His Word, of THAT World” continues.
For One Thousand years, approx 30-40 generations of men live and die…
With No Wars of Nation Against Nation.
No mention of Plagues, Rampant Diseases or Debilitations…
(Likely, some mens Natural Jealousy stirs and Greed, complaints fester)…
Thereafter…(ending the 1,000 years)…
Satan, his Fallen Angels are Released From Hell to once again roam the Earth.
The last Generation of Human Men (of every Nation) Co-Conspire with Satan to Attack, War Against Christ the Lords Earthly Kingdom…
(Thus fulfilling All Nations will come Against ISRAEL)…
Christs Power of His Two Edged Sword…(between eternal Life and Death)…Christ calls down from Heaven, FIRE to Kill human men Coming Against His Kingdom …
Ending The existence of Natural Earthly Terrestrial manKIND.
AND Fallen Angels ON Earth——>
Christs Holy servant Angels Battle Against (in the air, And Defeat) Satans Angels …
(Thus Fulfilling The Prophetic Battle of Armageddon)
Thereafter…
All men in Attendance, Judgement, Evidence Books Opened, Per Evidence Each IS Judged, Sentenced. Sentence Commenced…
each individual man…With or Without God Forever.
Thereafter…
A new Heaven
A new Earth
Only Faithful Converted Believers in the Lord God Almighty shall be the inhabitants…
AND
No barrier between Heaven and Earth…
THUS As it is IN Heaven So too Shall it be ON Earth Prophecy Fulfilled.
Time for Each individual manKind of Being TO Freely Heartfully Choose;
WHOM he will Believe;
Whom he will Serve;
IS Before his physical, mortal, Bodily Death.
Glory to God, Faithful and Just is He.
Taken
In Brief…big picture…
Satan and “his” “fallen” angels are already present on this Earth.
Satan and “his” angels…
*Presently on Earth, attempt through cunning tactics to draw humans Away from the Lord God.
* “During the Tribulations”, sent down from Heaven…
They Shall have a small window of opportunity and authority to rule this World, over their followers,
AND
over those not committed in Belief in the Lord God…
AND
with power to KILL, those WHO choose during the Trib to commit to the Lord God,
AND
The same willing to bodily Die, (by Fallen angels Power)… For their newly established commitment to the Lord God.
Thereafter…
Departed living souls of men who followed Satan…
Separated…from Earth…sent to Hell.
Thereafter…
Living Believing men, neither Soul Saved ie. (committed), who managed to NOT be bodily KILLED during Satans “short world reign”…
They Remain ON Earth.
Thereafter…
The Word of God (called Lord Jesus)
The Power of God (called Christ the Lord Jesus)…
The Son of Man (visible to human eyes)
Descends From the Clouds…( with “his” invisible TO human Eyes) …angels and (Saints IN Christ )
He.. Christ the Lord Jesus, Son of Man…called Son of God…
Sits on a Specific White Cloud… that ALL…
* Spiritual eyes in Heaven…
* Spiritual angels, Saints with Him, can see Him.
* Fallen Angels chained in Hell…can see Him,
* Fallen Angels ON Earth…can See Him…
* Departed Living Souls in Hell, can See Him…
This is the First Occurrence…of “every” created Angel and “every” created human mans SOUL…at the Same Time ”Seeing”
Christ the Lord Jesus “as” HE was first “Presented (to a small portion of this World, “as” the “legal” Son of Man
AND Spiritual “Son of God”.
Thereafter…(the look /see) of this Famed World Renown, talked about, written about, debated, accepted, rejected…Son of God…
* All Fallen Angels Are Cast down to Hell.
* Christ The Lord Jesus claims His “Promised Earthly Land Inheritance”, Earthly Land Kingdom, Earthly Throne….AND “KING of kings” Title”,
And With Him…
His Angel Servants in HIS Kingdom.
AND With Him…
Glorified Bodily Risen, Soul Saved, Spirit Quickened Saints, Also in such Kingdom being “their Land Inheritance to Occupy, (WITH Their KING Christ the Lord Jesus).
Outside The Lords Kingdom… “unsaved but Believing Mortal men”, ( having managed to escape bodily death during the Trib)
Begin… establishing their own claims to lands…
They…establish governance, appoint kings, build villages, towns, cities, grow crops, manufacture goods, trade with other people and Nations…
And ALL share the common belief in The Lord God…
And All are WITHOUT cunning influences of fallen angels….temporarily (1,000 years) sent to Hell.
Teaching of Christ Jesus “KING of kings, His Word, of THAT World” continues.
For One Thousand years, approx 30-40 generations of men live and die…
With No Wars of Nation Against Nation.
No mention of Plagues, Rampant Diseases or Debilitations…
(Likely, some mens Natural Jealousy stirs and Greed, complaints fester)…
Thereafter…(ending the 1,000 years)…
Satan, his Fallen Angels are Released From Hell to once again roam the Earth.
The last Generation of Human Men (of every Nation) Co-Conspire with Satan to Attack, War Against Christ the Lords Earthly Kingdom…
(Thus fulfilling All Nations will come Against ISRAEL)…
Christs Power of His Two Edged Sword…(between eternal Life and Death)…Christ calls down from Heaven, FIRE to Kill human men Coming Against His Kingdom …
Ending The existence of Natural Earthly Terrestrial manKIND.
AND Fallen Angels ON Earth——>
Christs Holy servant Angels Battle Against (in the air, And Defeat) Satans Angels …
(Thus Fulfilling The Prophetic Battle of Armageddon)
Thereafter…
All men in Attendance, Judgement, Evidence Books Opened, Per Evidence Each IS Judged, Sentenced. Sentence Commenced…
each individual man…With or Without God Forever.
Thereafter…
A new Heaven
A new Earth
Only Faithful Converted Believers in the Lord God Almighty shall be the inhabitants…
AND
No barrier between Heaven and Earth…
THUS As it is IN Heaven So too Shall it be ON Earth Prophecy Fulfilled.
Time for Each individual manKind of Being TO Freely Heartfully Choose;
WHOM he will Believe;
Whom he will Serve;
IS Before his physical, mortal, Bodily Death.
Glory to God, Faithful and Just is He.
Taken
That's just a tradition of men that reveals they don't understand about the TWO SEPARATE DIMENSIONS OF EXISTENCE WRITTEN OF IN GOD'S WORD.
The dimension of the Heavenly is invisible to us who live in this earthly dimension, UNLESS... GOD allows us to see into the Heavenly, like He did with His prophets like Isaiah and Ezekiel, and later with Apostle Paul, and Apostle John.
That other dimension exists behind a symbolic 'veil', and it is very real. An angel could be standing right next to you right now, and you wouldn't know it.
Satan is NOT YET cast out of that Heavenly dimension. He still operates in it, and still accuses us before God's Throne. That is why those Revelation 12:6-17 verses contain prophetic pointers specifically about the END of this world.
When Satan and his angels ARE... finally cast out of the Heavenly dimension, with no more place found for them there like Revelation 12:8 says, then The World Will Literally SEE them in our earthly dimension! They will no longer be invisible working BEHIND THE VEIL.
This is why Revelation 13:11-14 shows the "dragon" (Satan) will rain fire down to the earth from heaven IN THE SIGHT OF MEN. It is also why Ezekiel 28:18 shows when God destroys Satan, bringing a fire within him to consume him, THAT WILL HAPPEN ON EARTH IN SIGHT OF ALL THOSE WHO SEE IT, meaning in this earthly dimension by men.
THAT... is how those who heed God's written Word will understand how that first supernatural Messiah that is to appear in Jerusalem will be Satan himself playing GOD. He can't do that if he is working behind the veil of the invisible Heavenly dimension. He MUST be seen in OUR earthly dimension to do those great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world.
Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV
That above verse is pointing directly to Satan appearing on earth IN PLAIN SIGHT, in OUR earthly dimension, NOT INVISIBLE. Those NOT Sealed with God's Seal will WONDER (i.e., marvel) when they SEE Satan and wonder when they behold him.
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