Is your faith defined by what you DON'T believe? - The anti-doctrinal stance

[amigo de christo]

I don't. But perhaps I define my doctrine in terms of doctrine I believe that aren't orthodox?

• Moses' covenant was temporary and punitive
• The Levitical priesthood was always corrupt and God never wanted sacrifices
• The prophets are superior to the other books of the Bible
• Inspiration is not infallibility

The levitical priesthood was not always corrupt . My covenant was with LEVI and HE feared my word .
IT was often priests that were corrupt . Not the covenant itself .
As far as sacrifices went . GOD saw sacrifices as CORRUPT when they came from a corrupt heart .
Though this covenant was temporary till the promise came . WHICH BE JESUS .

 

[Wick Stick]

How is it that the Books of the Prophets are superior to the other books of the Bible?

Prophets deliver messages from God. I put that ahead of recording a history, telling a story, or a collection of wise sayings.

 

[St. SteVen]

Prophets deliver messages from God. I put that ahead of recording a history, telling a story, or a collection of wise sayings.

That makes sense, thanks.

Of what value are prophecies from so long ago?
You probably remember these two topics that questioned the validity of "fulfilled" prophecy in the NT.

Were messianic prophecies acquired, rather than intended? (in the original texts)​

Of what value is the fulfillment of OT prophecy? - since the prophecies were acquired rather than intended​

 

[Wick Stick]

The levitical priesthood was not always corrupt . My covenant was with LEVI and HE feared my word .
IT was often priests that were corrupt . Not the covenant itself .
As far as sacrifices went . GOD saw sacrifices as CORRUPT when they came from a corrupt heart .
Though this covenant was temporary till the promise came . WHICH BE JESUS .

I didn't say the covenant was corrupt. I said it was punitive.

The Israelites made the Molten Calf at the base of Mt Sinai. As punishment, God gave them a parasite class of priests and Levites who took part of their crops and cattle, recorded their offenses against them, and sometimes enforced the Law against them by taking up rocks and stoning them to death.

This punishment was meant to be temporary (Gal 3:24). It's no coincidence that God replaced that priesthood and that covenant with a BETTER priesthood and BETTER covenant (the book of Hebrews in a nutshell).

As for sacrifices, I see that Israel WANTED to offer sacrifices, because they WANTED to worship in the same fashion as the heathen nations around them (Exo 32, Eze 20:32). God ALLOWED them to offer sacrifices to Him, not because He wanted sacrifices (Psa 40:6), but because they wanted them, and it was better for them to direct their worship to Him than idols or foreign gods.

The situation today is not so different. God does not NEED us to worship him with songs, or dances, or flag-waving, or Easter pageants. He ALLOWS us to direct our silly worship to Him, because we enjoy it and our energies are better directed at Him than... elsewhere.

 

[Wick Stick]

That makes sense, thanks.

Of what value are prophecies from so long ago?
You probably remember these two topics that questioned the validity of "fulfilled" prophecy in the NT.

Were messianic prophecies acquired, rather than intended? (in the original texts)​

Of what value is the fulfillment of OT prophecy? - since the prophecies were acquired rather than intended​

I do remember, and my answer is still the same.

God's voice has creative power. What He says doesn't just come true once. It echoes through the halls of eternity, coming to fruition again and again.

If the prophets declare God's words, and God's words have that kind of power, then... we can look at what God said then and see it's fulfillment over and over in our own lives, times, and world. I see the apostle Matthew using prophecy that way in his gospel, at least.

 

[Marvelloustime]

The levitical priesthood was not always corrupt . My covenant was with LEVI and HE feared my word .
IT was often priests that were corrupt . Not the covenant itself .
As far as sacrifices went . GOD saw sacrifices as CORRUPT when they came from a corrupt heart .
Though this covenant was temporary till the promise came . WHICH BE JESUS .

@amigo de christo

 

[St. SteVen]

@amigo de christo
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[Behold]

Is your faith defined by what you believe, or by what you DON'T believe?

Faith is defined by believing.

Faith is Trust.

An example of faith.......would be that when we TRUST in Christ for our Salvation... we have placed our FAITH in Christ.

If we do this before we die, we go to Heaven after we die.....otherwise we go to Hell and there is no 2nd chance in Hell to give God our Faith........as He wont accept it then.

See, everyone who died and went to Hell in the last 2 mins...........now believes in Hell and they are ALL calling out to God to save them, right now.
He wont., and that is because God requires us to give Him our faith in Christ before we die, and they didnt.
Some of them didnt because a devil led Universalist like YOU, @St. SteVen ... told them the LIE that "everyone is already reconciled", and now they died believing you, and are in HELL.
YOU caused that to happen to them, you are accountable. @St. SteVen

So, "justification by FAITH"..... That is how God has established His glorious offer of Salvation to the world. = Its Faith based and it has to happen before you die.

 

[St. SteVen]

If we do this before we die, we go to Heaven after we die.....otherwise we go to Hell and there is no 2nd chance in Hell to give God our Faith........as He wont accept it then.

Can you support that with scripture? (all of it)
Jesus already preached in the realm of the dead before His resurrection.

See, everyone who died and went to Hell in the last 2 mins...........now believes in Hell and they are ALL calling out to God to save them, right now.
He wont., and that is because God requires us to give Him our faith in Christ before we die, and they didnt.
Some of them didnt because a devil led Universalist like YOU, @St. SteVen ... told them the LIE that "everyone is already reconciled", and now they died believing you, and are in HELL.
YOU caused that to happen to them, you are accountable. @St. SteVen

Nonsense.
I have never told anyone such.

 

[amigo de christo]

Faith is defined by believing.

Faith is Trust.

An example of faith.......would be that when we TRUST in Christ for our Salvation... we have placed our FAITH in Christ.

If we do this before we die, we go to Heaven after we die.....otherwise we go to Hell and there is no 2nd chance in Hell to give God our Faith........as He wont accept it then.

See, everyone who died and went to Hell in the last 2 mins...........now believes in Hell and they are ALL calling out to God to save them, right now.
He wont., and that is because God requires us to give Him our faith in Christ before we die, and they didnt.
Some of them didnt because a devil led Universalist like YOU, @St. SteVen ... told them the LIE that "everyone is already reconciled", and now they died believing you, and are in HELL.
YOU caused that to happen to them, you are accountable. @St. SteVen

So, "justification by FAITH"..... That is how God has established His glorious offer of Salvation to the world. = Its Faith based and it has to happen before you die.

sadly less and less are pointing to Christ and rather to a lie . Keep the faith my friend . St s teven has no idea
the wrath he is storing up for himself , LEST HE REPENT asap .

 

[Jack]

Reading this forum, or any Christian forum it is easy to see those defined by what they don't believe.
Scan the topic titles and you can see it. Read a thread and see respondents lining up on either side of a doctrinal issue.

This may be an opportunity for some self-examination. (for me too)

Is your faith defined by what you believe, or by what you DON'T believe?

Do you make a career out of being anti-doctrinal?

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You said you don't trust the Bible. You're totally confused!

 

[amigo de christo]

You said you don't trust the Bible. You're totally confused!

Very .