Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[Behold]

Should we support the state of Israel or not as Christians? Thank you

God supports Israel long before Jesus was a Jewish Man hanging on The Cross for the sin of the world.

Currently God is supporting Israel, most of all, with the USA.

God as Jesus is coming back to Israel, Himself, to reign with the body of Christ.

So, just connect the dots.........its not that hard unless some crazy "replacement" theology created by the Mary-Cult has "taken hold" of your thinking.

 

[ScottA]

Should we support the state of Israel or not as Christians? Thank you

The "state" of? No. The Israeli bloodline? Yes.

 

[RepentingChristian]

Anti-Zionism is NOT anti-semitism.

What is your definition of "Zionism"? I asked Grok to define it. I'll share it below. Are you opposed to the existence of Israel?

Zionism is a Jewish nationalist movement that supports the establishment and continued existence of a Jewish national homeland (and later a sovereign state) in the historic Land of Israel, also known as Palestine in geographic terms.

The term derives from "Zion," a biblical name for Jerusalem and the Land of Israel, reflecting a deep historical and religious connection Jews have had to the region for thousands of years.

At its foundation, Zionism holds that:
Jews constitute a nation or people (not just a religious group). This nation has a legitimate right to self-determination in its ancestral homeland. Jewish safety, culture, and continuity are best secured through sovereignty in that land, especially given centuries of persecution and antisemitism in the diaspora.

 

[RepentingChristian]

The "state" of? No. The Israeli bloodline? Yes.

Then you are in opposition to God.

Amos 9:14-15
"I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. 15 I will plant them on their land, AND THEY SHALL NEVER AGAIN BE UPROOTED out of the land that I have given them,” says the Lord your God.

 

[Behold]

The "state" of? No. The Israeli bloodline? Yes.

The "israeli bloodline"? ??????????????

I think what you are trying to explain is that "of the seed of Abraham"... of "Isaac"......is what you mean by "Israel" or "blood line".

So, in that case, you mean all the Born again Jews, but not the Nation State, itself.

Now, the issue with that theology, is that God is going to protect not just the "seed of Abraham" but the entire Nation and State of Israel.
"the JEWS".
He'd doing it right now in front of your own eyes... regarding Israel and the JEWS and not just the Messianic "Abrahamic bloodline" .., as God is currently protecting the State of Israel from the entire world of anti-semites who are on its border, and not just found only there.
Try France, and England and Australia.......and other anti-semetic leaning countries.......see them for the update.

Why do you think the USA is "all in" and is currently about to bomb Iran?
Trump/Netanyhu... are just a "for such a time as this"... Chess Piece regarding the fullfillment of God's endtime plan.
If that was not the case then Iran and its demonic proxies would have destroyed the STATE of Israel and all the JEWS, this last 2 yrs and they certainly tried.

A.) It cant be done, as God is not finished with the JEW yet. according to BIBLE Prophecy.......as that happens in the /TRIB and Grt Trib that is not yet begun.

 

[Jericho]

Should we support the state of Israel or not as Christians? Thank you

I find it curious that no one asks this of any other country. Nobody asks if Christians should support China or Russia or whatever. Only Israel is ever singled out. You should probably start by defining what you mean by support.

As a Christian we must recognize that the modern state of Israel is anti-Christ.

Can you name a country that is not? There are no Christian theocracies.

Any nation that commits genocide is out of order.

There is no genocide.

Anti-Zionism is NOT anti-semitism.

It seems to me to be a fine line as one often begets the other.

 

[PeterItalian]

I also believe in supporting Israel. God says in the Bible that He will bless those that bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel.

When the Jews got their State of Israel in 1948, it was a fulfillment of Bible prophecy...that God would bring them back to their land.

Although I am a catholic by faith , but I do not agree with my church teaching in that matter. I am a Christian and I see that Israel is a fulfillment of at the prophecy in the old testament. I see that we as christian have an obligation to support Zionism by faith for a nation for the Jewish People with love in The Holy Lands. though I am open to discuss that and change my opinion if that is against the faith. Jesus is love at the end. No violence. What do you think Sister @Debp ?

 

[Behold]

"Zionist".

What is a Zionist..

A Zionist is a person who supports the movement for the development, protection, and self-determination of the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the Land of Israel.

Currently in Israel, most of the Jews are not Religious, and those that are Religious, are not Messianic.
The Messianic Jew is a very small percentage of "jews" currently found in Israel, YET< God is protecting the STATE of Israel, until He comes back to Judge the JEW and the World., during the Trib and Grt Trib.

Reader, here is some "bible" for you.

Before God sent Jesus to bring in the Gentiles, He was only dealing with the JEW.
Your OT< is all about the JEW........only.
And When the "Time of the Gentiless" ends with the Rapture of the Church, .. God is again going to deal with the JEW.......not "abraham's seed" as they will be RAPTURED.
Understand?
So, God is going to deal with "JEWS".........when Christ comes back to Judge the Nations.

The TRIB is for the JEW.......and that means all those in Israel, at that time... specifically.....even tho God is going to deal with all of humanity, in judgement.

2 Thess 1:8-9.

 

[PeterItalian]

"Zionist".

What is a Zionist..

A Zionist is a person who supports the movement for the development, protection, and self-determination of the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the Land of Israel.

To NOT Be a support of Israel's right to exist (to reject Zionism) is to Reject the Bible that shows us that GOD GAVE this Land to Israel according to the Bible.

Amen, I agree. Even as a catholic I agree with you. I don't know why my church reject Zionism so much. God bless Israel.

 

[Behold]

Amen, I agree. Even as a catholic I agree with you. I don't know why my church reject Zionism so much. God bless Israel.

I love Catholics.
All my favorite Saints are Catholic Saints. that they have defined...tho the NT defines all believers born again as "Saints".
Its the Catholic doctrine that causes the "unrest".

Even "replacement theology"..........this came from Catholic Church Fathers.......its a Catholic teaching, from long ago.

 

[Mark1230]

1Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Abraham went to the land.
His descendants occupied the land.
God made a great nation out of Abraham that blessed the whole world.

Let's assume that modern Israel are the genetic descendants of Abraham (which they are not). Let's also assume that modern Israelites are religious Jews who follow the Torah (which they do not) And that God Himself restored the nation of Israel in 1948 (and not that a bunch Satanic bankers were gifted a piece of land which they then took by terror and force from a couple of million people who had been calling Palestine home since Christ, which is what actually happened)

Presuming that the promise God made to Abraham had not already been fulfilled long before 1948 (which it had)

What do we then do with these promised blessings in verse 3? The Middle East was a rather peaceable place all things considered before a certain tribe moved in to the neighborhood. Ever since 1948 the nation of Israel has been nothing but a burden on the American people and the world. Far from a blessing. The ME region has been completely destabilized. A financial black hole with zero return on investment, unless you count the piles of dead US serviceman and innumerable civilian casualties, a number that grows by the hour. At this moment, America is on the verge of yet another bloody campaign on behalf of the Zionist bankers and warmongers who actually run things, which includes Trump.

If modern Israel are indeed the chosen and promised people, where are all of these blessings we were promised? Israel has been a curse. Tel Aviv is the gayest place in Earth. Israel hates Christ, and they use American "Christians" to prop up their fake nation which could not exist apart from the financial support and military protection of the US. Israel is a satanic creation made possible through satanic deception (see Darby, Scofield and the Jesuit origins of dispensationalism) and not the fulfillment of any prophecy.

If the Zionists (which includes most evangelicals) get their way, "christian" money from the West will finance the building of a third temple, which the "christian" Zionists are fully convinced that after 3 1/2 years Satan will enter into and declare himself to be God. Allow yourself to meditate on that little nugget for a minute.

Thank God that there is actually a faithful Israel which can see through all of this nonsense. We've been trying to warn you guys for years. Love not the world, neither the things in this world. Love your neighbor. God is not a respecter of persons, neither is He a racist. God has one chosen people, and its definitely not the Antichrist state of Israel.

 

[RepentingChristian]

Even "replacement theology"..........this came from Catholic Church Fathers.......its a Catholic teaching, from long ago.

Interesting. By chance do you have a link for that?

 

[Behold]

The Middle East was a rather peaceable place all things considered before a certain tribe moved in to the neighborhood. Ever since 1948 the nation of Israel has been nothing but a burden on the American people and the world. Far from a blessing.

Your Post reveals a person with some anti-semetic "head" issues, according to your post.

Do you have "jew derangement syndrome" whereby you feel a need to blame the Jew for everything, similar to those with Trump Derangement Syndrome who feel the compulsion to "blame Trump".. for everything?

Seems likely @Mark1230 ......according to your post and your next one.

You seem to know nothing about nothing, regarding the BIBLE..... if your post is your actual understanding of the Middle East.
In fact, the Middle east has ushered in 4500 yrs of war, and sometimes the Jew was involved and sometimes not.
See, all this didnt just start in "1948", as the anti-semetic believe who teach that "Israel is the only issue".
In fact its the people that believe this who are the REAL issue... especially on a "christian" forum.

Also, regarding the world being a better place because of the Jew........that can easily be proven.
Just look at all the Nobel Peace Prize winners, as most are Jews.

Are you using a Cell phone?
It was created by a Jew.
Have you any doubt that this is one of the greatest inventions the WORLD has ever been able to enjoy worldwide.
The next time you look at your Cell phone......just remember that a JEW is the reason it exists.
And that is just one world wide TECH that is in use..... that was created by a JEW.

If you looked into the world of MEDICINE, you would truly be amazed at what the "jew" has developed......and on and on.

Also, one of the reasons that more cities in more "non islamic" countries have not been bombed by Muslim/Quran Fanatics, is because of the network of Information that JEWS give to the USA and to many countries that has protected them for a very long time.

Even this very day.......were it not for the Jews and the USA, we would all be in a burning world, courtesy of the Quran' and the religious devil's who abuse it on behalf of the Devil Himself who created it.

 

[Behold]

Interesting. By chance do you have a link for that?

Try this instead.

Historical and theological research indicates that the roots of replacement theology (also known as supersessionism) can be traced to several early Church Fathers, many of whom are recognized as foundational figures in the early, undivided Church that later evolved into the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox traditions.

While the term "Replacement Theology" is modern, the concept—that the Church has replaced Israel as the people of God—has been present in Christian thought since the second century.

Key Early Church Fathers Associated with These Views:

• Justin Martyr (c. 100–165 AD): Often cited as one of the first to express this view, he claimed in his Dialogue with Trypho that the Christian Church is the "true spiritual Israel" and that the covenant with Israel was no longer valid.
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• Irenaeus of Lyon (c. 130–202 AD): Declared that the Jews were disinherited from the grace of God.
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• Tertullian (c. 155–230 AD): Argued that the Jews had been rejected by God due to their rejection of Christ.
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• Origen (185–254 AD): Asserted that the Jews were responsible for killing Jesus, contributing to early anti-Semitic sentiments.
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• Augustine of Hippo (354–430 AD): Taught that the Church is the kingdom of God on earth, with his allegorical interpretations often leading to the view that Israel's promises were transferred to the Church.
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• John Chrysostom (347–407 AD): Known for severe sermons against the Jews (Adversus Judaeos), which reinforced replacement ideas.
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• Context and Modern Position:
  • Medieval Period: The Roman Catholic Church continued to maintain these views, which frequently led to, or justified, persecution and anti-Semitism throughout the Middle Ages.

 

[PeterItalian]

I love Catholics.
All my favorite Saints are Catholic Saints. that they have defined...tho the NT defines all believers born again as "Saints".
Its the Catholic doctrine that causes the "unrest".

Even "replacement theology"..........this came from Catholic Church Fathers.......its a Catholic teaching, from long ago.

Thank you, I wish one day we have a good humble pope who truly follow the christian faith and reject political agendas and elites stuff and more. Since 8th century , the catholic church are in decline , away from the truth. Bishops become just a political position for the elite and the aristocratic family like Medici Family . Even though , I can not leave my faith; I love my faith. God promised that he will never leave his Church and his people. What do you think ?

 

[Mark1230]

Your Post reveals a person with some anti-semetic "head" issues, according to your post.

Do you have "jew derangement syndrome" whereby you feel a need to blame the Jew?

Seem likely @Mark1230 ......according to your post and your next one.

You seem to know nothing about nothing, regarding the BIBLE..... if your post is your actual understanding of the Middle East.
In fact, the Middle east has ushered in 4500 yrs of war, and sometimes the Jew was involved and sometimes not.
See, all this didnt just start in "1948", as the anti-semetic believe who teach that "Israel is the only issue".
In fact its the people that believe this who are the REAL issue... especially on a "christian" forum.

Also, regarding the world being a better place because of the Jew........that can easily be proven.
Just look at all the Nobel Peace Prize winners, as most are Jews.

Are you using a Cell phone?
It was created by a Jew.
Have you any doubt that this is one of the greatest inventions the WORLD has ever been able to enjoy worldwide.
And that just one..... that was created by a JEW.

Also, one of the reasons that more cities in more "non islamic" countries have not been bombed by Muslim/Quran Fanatics, is because of the network of Information that JEWS give to the USA and to many countries that has protected them for a very long time.

The cell phone was created by a Jew. I did not know that. Thank you for making my point.

Jews also ran a large portion of the slave trade, have financed both sides of every war since time out of mind, and they are largely responsible for Hollywood, Porn, and the satanic music industry. What a blessing indeed.

Blacks make up roughly 13% of the population yet commit 50% of the violent crime. Does noticing these statistics make me a racist? It does not. Neither does noticing that your chosen people (not Gods), really don't fit the bill. Its not antisemitism, its anti stupidity.

 

[Behold]

Thank you, I wish one day we have a good humble pope who truly follow the christian faith and reject political agendas and elites stuff and more. Since 8th century , the catholic church are in decline , away from the truth. Bishops become just a political position for the elite and the aristocratic family like Medici Family . Even though , I can not leave my faith; I love my faith. God promised that he will never leave his Church and his people. What do you think ?

What i "think" is that God loves us all and Jesus on The Cross is the Proof.

I teach that God's church is "one believer at a time".....who became born again.

I teach that there are no denominations in Heaven........and the only "one true Church" is every born again Believer.

I teach that when we define ourselves by our Church's Title......."catholic" "baptist" "methodist" "Assembly of God".. ect...then we are drawing dividing lines instead of showing love.

 

[Behold]

The cell phone was created by a Jew. I did not know that. Thank you for making my point.

And thank you for using your cell phone while you continue to prove you are an anti-semetic "type", who comes to forums like this one to prove it.

You have a "new alt" but you are the same Jew Hater as last time... you were here.

Im certain you remember....

Jews also ran a large portion of the slave trade,

And Blacks in Africa and surrounding areas sold most of the Slaves to ENGLAND that became the Slave Trade as you are defining it.

Where is your moronic rant about the "blacks" that sold their own brothers into slavery?

You left that part out....

have financed both sides of every war since time out of mind, and they are largely responsible for Hollywood, Porn, and the satanic music industry. What a blessing indeed.

You are quoting old conspiracy theories, and pretending they are true......same as all Jew Haters who have gone before you @Mark1230

Nothing new. Its the standard brain dead rant you are spewing out.

Blacks make up roughly 13% of the population yet commit 50% of the violent crime. Does noticing these statistics make me a racist?

It depends on the country .....that you find "blacks as 13 %". So, you left out the rest of the world, because an antisemite can't help itself.
Its a type of moral brain rot that keeps getting worse with age.

See you there next time @Mark1230

its anti stupidity.

Anti-Stupidity is not something you are going to be able to accomplish during your lifetime.
You've prove it already.
Just ask anyone who knows you.
or, Just look at your next post. @Mark1230

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Should we support the state of Israel or not as Christians?

Yes, those that actually love the Lord Jesus know He's a Jew and He is returning to the State of Israel when He comes back to earth to start His 1000 Year Reign and He will rule from Israel as the land belongs to the Lord.

Of course we are not to agree with the religious teachings coming out of modern day Israel but we are to support the State of Israel if wee really love the Lord Jesus.

Now the tares will be all racist and attack the Jews because they are led by the demonites and the devilites

I recommend reading In Defense of Israel The Bible’s Mandate For Supporting The Jewish State by John Hagee.

Sadly John Hagee is a false teacher who claims Jewish people do not have to be born again and abide In Christ to receive salvation so he's a heretic.

 

[PeterItalian]

What i "think" is that God loves us all and Jesus on The Cross is the Proof.

I teach that God's church is "one believer at a time".....who became born again.

I teach that there are no denominations in Heaven........and the only "one true Church" is every born again Believer.

I teach that when we define ourselves by our Church's Title......."catholic" "baptist" "methodist" "Assembly of God".. ect...then we are drawing dividing lines instead of showing love.

Amen in Jesus name. I believe that we all belong to the body of our lord Jesus we should be one and reject division.