To understand Christianity, you must understand Judaism

[Luther7]

No one knows where the word Jesus came from it just showed up in the 17th century....and there is no J's in the scriptures......Look it up......Yob....Yacob....Yoshua....yericho...etc. The word that is actually used for Christ's name is Ἰησοῦς and it is Greek and it means healer.....or doctor. And that is how it translates in the English. Which does not matter because Miriam would not have given her Son a Greek name.
There is your lessen, where can I send the bill?

The Johnny Appleseed of Truth
Be good and do good

The New Testament was written in Greek as God allowed it. The transliteration is Iesous. In modern English it is pronounced with the J. This is not hard to understand. If God wanted us to use the Hebrew equivalent, He would do so. But it's the New Testament, and it was written in Greek. And the scriptures teach that in the name of JESUS every knee shall bow. And there is no other name under heaven by which we can become saved.

These are God's words. It is no coincidence that God makes a clean break from using the Hebrew pronunciation. You are either saved by the blood of Jesus or you will end up worshipping the jewish messiah "moshiach" ( anti-christ) in the last days. That's where this is all going with this name changing. So it does matter.

 

[Grailhunter]

The New Testament was written in Greek as God allowed it. The transliteration is Iesous. In modern English it is pronounced with the J. This is not hard to understand. If God wanted us to use the Hebrew equivalent, He would do so. But it's the New Testament, and it was written in Greek. And the scriptures teach that in the name of JESUS every knee shall bow. And there is no other name under heaven by which we can become saved.

These are God's words. It is no coincidence that God makes a clean break from using the Hebrew pronunciation. You are either saved by the blood of Jesus or you will end up worshipping the jewish messiah "moshiach" ( anti-christ) in the last days. That's where this is all going with this name changing. So it does matter.

You have a lot to learn...
What we have are translations. The Greek word used for Christ's name is not a name it is a Greek word. Christ name was known to be a common name and you are not going to find too many Greeks with that name because it means healer or doctor. And again Miriam would not have given her Son a Greek name.

God Word? Some of it. Yahweh's name was removed from the scriptures and replaced with the words God or Lord around 6,800 times.....not counting the grammar changes for that. 6,800 changes by men....not God.

Johnney Appleseed of Truth
Be good and do good

 

[rockytopva]

"To understand Christianity you must first get to know the Lord Jesus Christ on a personal level.

For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. - 1 Corinthians 2:2"

Yes. This says it all. AMEN.

I do not know why... But few people know the significance on Martin Luther's works on faith. Especially upon...

1. John Bunyan
2. John Wesley

John Wesley was at the end of his road after a series of depressing failures. In 1738 while listening to Luther's preface to the Epistle to the Romans he felt his heart, "strangely warned by the love of God." From there came the Methodist movement

John Bunyan... The simple passage from Martin Luther's commentary on the book of Galatians that made such a huge difference on this uneducated man's life. And the simplicity that was passed down in his own works as well... How easy it is to receive Salvation and the Holy Ghost... Paul taught justification by faith in Christ Jesus, without the deeds of the Law. He reported this to the disciples at Antioch. Among the disciples were some that had been brought up in the ancient customs of the Jews. These rose against Paul in quick indignation, accusing him of propagating a gospel of lawlessness. Great dissension followed. Paul and Barnabas stood up for the truth. They testified: "Wherever we preached to the Gentiles, the Holy Ghost came upon those who received the Word. This happened everywhere. We preached not circumcision, we did not require observance of the Law. We preached faith in Jesus Christ. At our preaching of faith, God gave to the hearers the Holy Ghost." From this fact Paul and Barnabas inferred that the Holy Ghost approved the faith of the Gentiles without the Law and circumcision. If the faith of the Gentiles had not pleased the Holy Ghost, He would not have manifested His presence in the uncircumcised hearers of the Word. - Penelope: Or Love’s Labour Lost, vol. 3 | Project Gutenberg

The Holy Ghost was received after instructions that this was something to be received by simple faith in Christ.

 

[Luther7]

I do not know why... But few people know the significance on Martin Luther's works on faith. Especially upon...

1. John Bunyan
2. John Wesley

John Wesley was at the end of his road after a series of depressing failures. In 1738 while listening to Luther's preface to the Epistle to the Romans he felt his heart, "strangely warned by the love of God." From there came the Methodist movement

John Bunyan... The simple passage from Martin Luther's commentary on the book of Galatians that made such a huge difference on this uneducated man's life. And the simplicity that was passed down in his own works as well... How easy it is to receive Salvation and the Holy Ghost... Paul taught justification by faith in Christ Jesus, without the deeds of the Law. He reported this to the disciples at Antioch. Among the disciples were some that had been brought up in the ancient customs of the Jews. These rose against Paul in quick indignation, accusing him of propagating a gospel of lawlessness. Great dissension followed. Paul and Barnabas stood up for the truth. They testified: "Wherever we preached to the Gentiles, the Holy Ghost came upon those who received the Word. This happened everywhere. We preached not circumcision, we did not require observance of the Law. We preached faith in Jesus Christ. At our preaching of faith, God gave to the hearers the Holy Ghost." From this fact Paul and Barnabas inferred that the Holy Ghost approved the faith of the Gentiles without the Law and circumcision. If the faith of the Gentiles had not pleased the Holy Ghost, He would not have manifested His presence in the uncircumcised hearers of the Word. - Penelope: Or Love’s Labour Lost, vol. 3 | Project Gutenberg

The Holy Ghost was received after instructions that this was something to be received by simple faith in Christ.

Yes, a man used by God in so many ways. He would be sick to his stomach if he saw the state of the church and it's worship of Israel. And he, among many others, tried to warn us. But it appears to be God's end time plan to use them against us, along with the Christian zionists.

 

[Luther7]

You have a lot to learn...
What we have are translations. The Greek word used for Christ's name is not a name it is a Greek word. Christ name was known to be a common name and you are not going to find too many Greeks with that name because it means healer or doctor. And again Miriam would not have given her Son a Greek name.

God Word? Some of it. Yahweh's name was removed from the scriptures and replaced with the words God or Lord around 6,800 times.....not counting the grammar changes for that. 6,800 changes by men....not God.

Johnney Appleseed of Truth
Be good and do good

jews don't like the name of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ either. I'll stick with what the early church and the church fathers used.

 

[Grailhunter]

jews don't like the name of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ either. I'll stick with what the early church and the church fathers used.

Do you know what the early church fathers used? Don't think so.
Jesus is an English Word.

 

[Luther7]

Do you know what the early church fathers used? Don't think so.
Jesus is an English Word.

( Internet search):
"Yes, Martin Luther frequently used the name Jesus (often spelled Jhesus or Jesus in German/Latin) throughout his writings, sermons, and his translation of the Bible. He focused heavily on the theology of Jesus Christ, writing extensively on the necessity of faith in him, such as in his 1523 work"That Jesus Christ Was Born a Jew".
Council of Centers on Jewish-Christian Relations
Council of Centers on Jewish-Christian Relations
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Key details regarding Luther's usage:
Bible Translation: In his 1545 German Bible translation, Luther used "Jhesus".
Theology: He emphasized praying in "Jesus' name" as an act of identifying with Christ's mission.
Christocentric Focus: Luther often argued that the scriptures must focus on Christ, famously criticizing the book of James for, in his view, not mentioning him enough."

(I'm with him.)We go by the Greek because God wanted it that way. OTHERWISE THE NEW TESTAMENT WOULD BE IN HEBREW

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes, Martin Luther frequently used the name Jesus (often spelled Jhesus or Jesus in German/Latin) throughout his writings, sermons, and his translation of the Bible.

You so funny.
The word Jesus did not exist during Martin Luther's time.
These is why Theologians have to be linguists and historians....to dispel these false beliefs.
Again there are no J's in the scriptures....The letter J came out in the 15th century. The original King James Versions used the Greek word for healer. Later revisions used the word Jesus.
There are two ways to translate form ancient languages....phonic similarities or meanings. For example the Greek word for horse and the English word for Horse.
The word Jesus has no meaning. The closest J sound in the biblical era was a sneeze.
Why did they use the Greek word for healer? Well for one the Greek did not have letters or sounds for Y's. But why they picked the Greek word for healer? People speculate but no one knows for sure. But for sure Miriam did not give her Son a Greek name nor do the scriptures say the Son of God would have a Greek name.
Christ's name is Yeshua. Which makes sense because He was Jewish and his name was common with the Jewish people.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

You said: "I guess it depends on what you count as Judaism. The roots of Judaism go all the way back to Abraham. "
The roots were always Christ since the foundation of the world. The Old Testament was just that ...a testament or covenant to a people of no significance after the Cross. Now it's New Covenant time.

You also said: "The Talmud came much later. So, there is a distinction between how Judaism is practiced now and how it was practiced 2,000 years ago."

But the distinction means nothing. 99.9% of jews TODAY follow talmudic judaism. The past is the past. It is irrelevant. We should all be concerned about what they have in store for us goyim. And it's coming fast.

I would say you are correct in that we all should be concerned about what we as Nations have been sowing ! It's outright pathetic what has been taking place.
Why is the question, in how can such evil intent get away with it all !

Comes dowen to the Serpent. he is a nice fellow to be sure and a shineing example to anyone who is carnal or only religious dupe.

Anyone born before say 1980 should be able to understand the values that were the norm beforehand have clearly been changed ! so the values before 1980 were that of the past 100's of years !
Only nowadays has the past been turned totaly on it's head ! That if back in 1980 or before and one said what things are going to become by say 2010 let alone 2016 you would be a laughingstock !
They would think one was retarded or a outright filthmonger moronic idiot, they would give you a flick under the ear and told to stop or one would end up in a mental hospital ! because no one could be so stupid !

 

[Luther7]

You so funny.
The word Jesus did not exist during Martin Luther's time.
These is why Theologians have to be linguists and historians....to dispel these false beliefs.
Again there are no J's in the scriptures....The letter J came out in the 15th century. The original King James Versions used the Greek word for healer. Later revisions used the word Jesus.
There are two ways to translate form ancient languages....phonic similarities or meanings. For example the Greek word for horse and the English word for Horse.
The word Jesus has no meaning. The closest J sound in the biblical era was a sneeze.
Why did they use the Greek word for healer? Well for one the Greek did not have letters or sounds for Y's. But why they picked the Greek word for healer? People speculate but no one knows for sure. But for sure Miriam did not give her Son a Greek name nor do the scriptures say the Son of God would have a Greek name.
Christ's name is Yeshua. Which makes sense because He was Jewish and his name was common with the Jewish people.

You said: "The word Jesus has no meaning. "

I believe God saved me some time ago. And with that salvation comes the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit allows believers to understand who God is through His Word.

His Word is embodied in His dear Son, who is equal with God because He is God. And He has complete control over His Word, the Bible. So like I said before, if God wanted us true believers to know His Son by any other name, IT WOULD BE WRITTEN AS SUCH.
This means that He would have guided the holy men of old to use the Hebrew equivalent of Jesus......but He didn't. So THE WHOLE WORLD knows the name of Jesus.

YOU insist His name must be changed. I believe the will of God is for the name of Jesus Christ to be magnified. Are you a jew? I should have gotten that out of the way first.

 

[Grailhunter]

You said: "The word Jesus has no meaning. "

I believe God saved me some time ago. And with that salvation comes the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit allows believers to understand who God is through His Word.

His Word is embodied in His dear Son, who is equal with God because He is God. And He has complete control over His Word, the Bible. So like I said before, if God wanted us true believers to know His Son by any other name, IT WOULD BE WRITTEN AS SUCH.
This means that He would have guided the holy men of old to use the Hebrew equivalent of Jesus......but He didn't. So THE WHOLE WORLD knows the name of Jesus.

YOU insist His name must be changed. I believe the will of God is for the name of Jesus Christ to be magnified. Are you a jew? I should have gotten that out of the way first.

The names of God the Father and God the Son are important. And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved. Act 4:12
So much changed with the translations.....God the Father's name removed from the Old Testament. The names of persons and places that started with a Y changed to J. Yob, Yacob, Yoshua, Yames, Yericho.....even the name of Jerusalem.

I am not a Jew and Yeshua is not English. As a Theologian my ministry is about correcting misunderstandings and false beliefs. The word Jesus cannot be translated from anything in the scriptures.....Like I said the King James Version of the Bible used the Greek name for Christ in the first editions then later the word Jesus came out of thin air in the 17th century. What do you think they called Christ before the 17th century.

But my point is accuracy. As a theologian I believe Christians deserve to at least hear the Truth. If they don't like it or are not interested that up to them. I plant seeds....sort of what Yeshua talked about....what happens after that is up to them and God.

If we are not going to call Christ by his name we can call him anything. George sounds good. Yeshua means salvation or to save.....Jesus has no meaning. What does it hurt to call God the Father Bob and God the Son George?

 

[Luther7]

The names of God the Father and God the Son are important. And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved. Act 4:12
So much changed with the translations.....God the Father's name removed from the Old Testament. The names of persons and places that started with a Y changed to J. Yob, Yacob, Yoshua, Yames, Yericho.....even the name of Jerusalem.

I am not a Jew and Yeshua is not English. As a Theologian my ministry is about correcting misunderstandings and false beliefs. The word Jesus cannot be translated from anything in the scriptures.....Like I said the King James Version of the Bible used the Greek name for Christ in the first editions then later the word Jesus came out of thin air in the 17th century. What do you think they called Christ before the 17th century.

But my point is accuracy. As a theologian I believe Christians deserve to at least hear the Truth. If they don't like it or are not interested that up to them. I plant seeds....sort of what Yeshua talked about....what happens after that is up to them and God.

If we are not going to call Christ by his name we can call him anything. George sounds good. Yeshua means salvation or to save.....Jesus has no meaning. What does it hurt to call God the Father Bob and God the Son George?

You see you mock God. I don't know what kind of "theologian" you are but you have no respect for this very sensitive issue. The WORLD knows His name to be JESUS.
So what is your goal here? That some day the New Testament will be re- written with the " correct" name? .

How about we focus on something more pressing like..... WORLD JEWRY and their plans for us GOYIM. Because like I said, the only group that has a problem with the name of Jesus besides you are the jews. I'm sure they love this confusion/ division created between Christians.

 

[Grailhunter]

You see you mock God. I don't know what kind of "theologian" you are but you have no respect for this very sensitive issue. The WORLD knows His name to be JESUS.
So what is your goal here? That some day the New Testament will be re- written with the " correct" name? .

How about we focus on something more pressing like..... WORLD JEWRY and their plans for us GOYIM. Because like I said, the only group that has a problem with the name of Jesus besides you are the jews. I'm sure they love this confusion/ division created between Christians.

My goal? The same as always, that people know the truth.
It does not matter if we are Jews or Christians, Christ's name is Yeshua.

 

[Luther7]

My goal? The same as always, that people know the truth.
It does not matter if we are Jews or Christians, Christ's name is Yeshua.

And if the world is inclined to call Him Jesus, that should be fine as well. I'm not saying that the Hebrew derivative is wrong and neither do I dismiss it. But like I've said, God had His new covenant written in Greek.

 

[Grailhunter]

And if the world is inclined to call Him Jesus, that should be fine as well. I'm not saying that the Hebrew derivative is wrong and neither do I dismiss it. But like I've said, God had His new covenant written in Greek.

Just because it was written in Greek does not mean you lose all the names.
God the Father's name is no longer in our Bible and the name of God the Son was never in the New Testament so that is not in our Bibles. Does it matter? Like I said it is between you and God. You now know the real name of Christ, do what you want.

 

[Luther7]

Just because it was written in Greek does not mean you lose all the names.
God the Father's name is no longer in our Bible and the name of God the Son was never in the New Testament so that is not in our Bibles. Does it matter? Like I said it is between you and God. You now know the real name of Christ, do what you want.

I'm sorry but I knew this topic a long time ago. Already been here, done that. After really searching out this matter I believe the Holy Spirit has led me to trust that His Word will bring forth the truth even if there is a better translation which those who are diligent will find.

All of our knowledge and understanding about God comes from Him, so I really believe He would have or will put it on my heart if a name change is necessary. I am having some fun going back and forth with you respectfully of course. We should be examining these things.

One big revelation that was put before me was the Septuagint. I don't know what you know about it but it is a real game changer to say the least. More on that later perhaps?

 

[Grailhunter]

I believe the Holy Spirit has led me to trust that His Word will bring forth the truth even if there is a better translation which those who are diligent will find.

Define "God's Word." God's Word from what source? You cannot get God's Word from God. You buy your Bible from a store.....which was printed by men.....which was translated by men....
If you are serious about knowing the truth go back to scriptures in their original languages. And then you have to piece together bits a pieces of texts....looking for the oldest text. But whatever you do, do not trust a college educated Theologian???

My concern with names has to do with accuracy and the belief that the names of God the Father and God the Son are important.....And it is just not them....it is the true names of the characters in the Scriptures and why they were changed. So many fingers in the pie. All the changes made because men had a belief or did not understand something so they changed the scriptures to suit them and you, because you do not know the actual scriptures read these changes as the "Word of God"

One big revelation that was put before me was the Septuagint. I don't know what you know about it but it is a real game changer to say the least. More on that later perhaps?

The Septuagint.....are you kidding?.....I am a Theologian....Life long education in five countries. If it was not for the Septuagint all we would have is the dead sea scrolls. God works in mysterious ways??? We can thank one of Alexander the Great's generals for that.

 

[Luther7]

Define "God's Word." God's Word from what source? You cannot get God's Word from God. You buy your Bible from a store.....which was printed by men.....which was translated by men....
If you are serious about knowing the truth go back to scriptures in their original languages. And then you have to piece together bits a pieces of texts....looking for the oldest text. But whatever you do, do not trust a college educated Theologian???

My concern with names has to do with accuracy and the belief that the names of God the Father and God the Son are important.....And it is just not them....it is the true names of the characters in the Scriptures and why they were changed. So many fingers in the pie. All the changes made because men had a belief or did not understand something so they changed the scriptures to suit them and you, because you do not know the actual scriptures read these changes as the "Word of God"


The Septuagint.....are you kidding?.....I am a Theologian....Life long education in five countries. If it was not for the Septuagint all we would have is the dead sea scrolls. God works in mysterious ways??? We can thank one of Alexander the Great's generals for that.

You said: "My concern with names has to do with accuracy and the belief that the names of God the Father and God the Son are important"

Yes, of course. And ultimately if we are being led by the Spirit of God, we will have peace with what name we use and what version we read and study.

You also said: "The Septuagint.....are you kidding?.....I am a Theologian....."

Ok that's good. I am a mere student of the Bible. I believe God guides me in truth. I mentioned the Septuagint to discuss it. I have always gone to the KJV but now I feel I have to do my homework comparing the KJV OT with the Septuagint because of such drastic differences.

The Greek Old testament is apparently what Jesus and his disciples referenced, and was also what the early, early church used, since it was the oldest translation. I find it amazing how different it is from the masoretic text. Since I am spiritually suspicious of these things, I am starting to see a " pharaseeical " or mystical jewish influence with the masoretic text.

Of course that would need further explanation but it is my early observation. I am currently using the Brenton Septuagint, comparing it with the apostolic polyglot ( love that name). Your thoughts?

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes, of course. And ultimately if we are being led by the Spirit of God, we will have peace with what name we use and what version we read and study.

I am lead by the Spirit of God to find the truth and tell others.

You said: "My concern with names has to do with accuracy and the belief that the names of God the Father and God the Son are important"

Yes, of course. And ultimately if we are being led by the Spirit of God, we will have peace with what name we use and what version we read and study.

You also said: "The Septuagint.....are you kidding?.....I am a Theologian....."

Ok that's good. I am a mere student of the Bible. I believe God guides me in truth. I mentioned the Septuagint to discuss it. I have always gone to the KJV but now I feel I have to do my homework comparing the KJV OT with the Septuagint because of such drastic differences.

The Greek Old testament is apparently what Jesus and his disciples referenced, and was also what the early, early church used, since it was the oldest translation. I find it amazing how different it is from the masoretic text. Since I am spiritually suspicious of these things, I am starting to see a " pharaseeical " or mystical jewish influence with the masoretic text.

Of course that would need further explanation but it is my early observation. I am currently using the Brenton Septuagint, comparing it with the apostolic polyglot ( love that name). Your thoughts?

Except for the absents of God the Father's name the Septuagint is relatively accurate. The inaccuracies of the Old Testament occur as time went along. And the King James Version of the Bible is the most inaccurate translation in print.

 

[GeneZ]

A professor at the University of Cambridge use to teach a course called “To understand Christianity, you must understand Judaism.”

To understand Christianity (in relation to the Cross) YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THE LAW OF MOSES (concerning the sacrifices).

But Judaism itself (living under the Law) was antithetical to the Grace that Christians have now been given by God to walk in.
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