IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE SABBATH THEN CONSIDER THIS

[Soyeong]

Dear Soyeong,
You haven't understood the difference between the Old Covenant and New Covenant. The Old Covenant is natural and the New Covenant is spiritual. You are living like the Old Covenant laws and ordinances are still necessary to be performed. The Old Covenant laws and ordinances were fulfilled by Christ and they are fulfilled spiritually for a converted believer. Because they are, they don't need to be physically followed any longer.

My understanding of the difference between the Mosaic and New Covenants is based on what is stated in Scripture whereas everything that you just stated about the difference has no foundation in Scripture.

Do you believe that you need to physically eat the Lord's Supper? Do you believe that you need to be water baptized?

Yes. Yes.

For converted believers, both are being complied with spiritually instead of physically. Babes, who remain carnally minded, observe these physical commands because they can't yet comply with them spiritually.

In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have carnal minds who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God.

The Lord's Supper is the natural, the consuming of truth upon conversion is the spiritual. Water baptism is the natural, the spiritual baptism that comes latter (the Latter Rain) is the spiritual. After the spiritual comes, the natural is no longer necessary.

If we correctly understand a spiritual principle, then it will lead us to take physical actions that embody that principle in accordance with the Law of God, but correctly understanding a spiritual principle will never lead us away from following the instructions that God gave in order to teach us that principle. Nowhere does the Bible state that after the Spiritual comes the natural is no longer necessary.

The same is true for physical circumcision and the physical observance of one day of rest per week. Once converted, they are both spiritually accomplished by Christ within the person. The physical observance of both laws will end.


There is simply nothing physical that needs to be done any longer to make a converted believer acceptable to Christ.

After a person is converted, they will be a new man who is governed by Christ. They will have the same character traits as He does. They will love God and will love their neighbor which will cause them to do good works. There is nothing else.

Look at what Christ said about the Lord's Supper:

Mat 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

The physical eating of bread and drinking wine is a physical type that foreshadows its spiritual fulfillment. It is fulfilled for a person when they are converted. That is when they enter the Kingdom of Heaven and Christ begins spiritually feeding them His truth. It happens to all converted believers while they are still in the flesh. If a person doesn't spiritually consume the Lord's Supper prior to dying, they will not be found in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Joe

The foreshadow testify about the truth of what is to come and we should live in a way that testifies about the truth of what is to come by continuing to follow Christ's example of obedience to the Law of God rather than a way that bears false witness against the truth of what is to come. It is for your own good to be able to distinguish when you are basing your views on what is stated in the Bible and when you are making up things that sounds good to you.

 

[FaithWillDo]

There is no correlation, equating the new covenant to his will

Dear Doug,
The New Covenant is a spiritual covenant that conforms a person's "will" to Christ's "will". When the process is complete, the person will be like Christ and will never sin again.

This process is what this verse below is describing:

Isa 26:9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the (New) earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

The "earth" is a spirit word that represents a person's individual spirit. When it is still "natural", it is called the Old Earth. At that time, it is weak & carnal. In Revelation, it is called the Great Harlot. The Old Earth is destroyed upon conversion. Rev 18 describes the Great Harlot's destruction which occurs during the conversion process.

When the "earth" is governed by the Holy Spirit, it is called the New Earth. The New Earth is strong and has a divine nature.

Judgments that comes from the indwelling Holy Spirit upon the person's spirit will teach the person righteousness. This process will change the carnal mind into the mind of Christ which will not sin. Paul calls this process of judgment the chastisement of Christ. This process of judgment occurs at the same time that the person receives a continual nourishment of truth from Christ. It is from both processes that a newly converted person (called a child/weaned from the breasts) will begin maturing into a man of full age who will walk only by the Spirit and by faith. It is at this point the person will be like Christ and will no longer sin.

Joe

 

[FaithWillDo]

My understanding of the difference between the Mosaic and New Covenants is based on what is stated in Scripture whereas everything that you just stated about the difference has no foundation in Scripture.


Yes. Yes.


In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have carnal minds who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God.


If we correctly understand a spiritual principle, then it will lead us to take physical actions that embody that principle in accordance with the Law of God, but correctly understanding a spiritual principle will never lead us away from following the instructions that God gave in order to teach us that principle. Nowhere does the Bible state that after the Spiritual comes the natural is no longer necessary.


The foreshadow testify about the truth of what is to come and we should live in a way that testifies about the truth of what is to come by continuing to follow Christ's example of obedience to the Law of God rather than a way that bears false witness against the truth of what is to come. It is for your own good to be able to distinguished when you are basing your views on what is stated in the Bible and when you are making up things that sounds good to you.

Dear Soyeong,
As I have stated, you are not seeing that the physical is only a foreshadowing of the spiritual that comes to a person upon their conversion.
There is nothing more I can say to help you. Christ is the only one who has that power. He did it for me 21 years ago and He will do it for you and everyone else someday - but only at a time of His own choosing.

Jer 33:3 ‘Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.’

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, AND TO COME UNTO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Since Christ is the Savior and He does all the work of saving a person, the salvation of all mankind is a certainty.

I see no point in continuing our discussion.

Joe

 

[Soyeong]

Dear Soyeong,
As I have stated, you are not seeing that the physical is only a foreshadowing of the spiritual that comes to a person upon their conversion.
There is nothing more I can say to help you. Christ is the only one who has that power. He did it for me 21 years ago and He will do it for you and everyone else someday - but only at a time of His own choosing.

Jer 33:3 ‘Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.’

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, AND TO COME UNTO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Since Christ is the Savior and He does all the work of saving a person, the salvation of all mankind is a certainty.

I see no point in continuing our discussion.

Joe

The Hebrew word “yada” refers to intimate relationships/knowledge gained by experience, such as with Genesis 4:1 where Adam knew (yada) Eve, she conceived, and gave birth to Cain. God’s way is the way to know (yada) Him and Jesus by experiencing being in His likeness through embodying His character traits, which is the narrow way to eternal life (John 17:3). For example, in Genesis 18:19, God knew (yada) Abraham that he would teach his children and those of His household to walk in His way by being doers of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know (yada) Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the law is to graciously teach us how to have an intimate relationship with God and Jesus by walking in His way, which is His gift of eternal life.

To know God is to know truth. An arrow flies true when it hits its mark, our mark is to walk in God’s way, and God’s law is truth (Psalms 119:142) because it was given to teach us how to walk in God’s way (1 Kings 2:1-3) while sin is missing the mark, sin is what is contrary to God’s character traits, and sin is the transgression of God’s law (1 John 3:4). The Spirit has the role of leading us in truth (John 16:13) and of leading us to obey God’s law (Ezekiel 36:26-26) because God’s character traits are the fruits of the Spirit. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God’s law, so he is the way, the truth, and the life, and the way to know the Father (John 14:6-11). This is how all men are saved and come to a knowledge of the truth.

 

[FaithWillDo]

The new covenant will be made with Israel not us

Dear Doug,
The New Covenant of Grace through Faith began with the resurrection of Christ - it went first to the Nation of Israel and then a short time later to the Gentiles.

If you don't believe the New Covenant is for you, then do you believe that you are under any covenant? Just how are you saved?

Don't you know that salvation only comes through Abraham who is a Jew? To be saved, all Jews and Gentiles must become spiritual Jews to receive the promises made to Abraham. The flesh counts for nothing. Those who are blessed to become spiritual Jews are called the heirs of Abraham/the mighty nation, the Elect, the Bride, the saints, etc. They will reign with Christ over the "lost' in the final age until the last person is saved. In other words, the "lost" will all be blessed in Abraham even though they did not receive the promises of being his heir.

Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

The physical Nation of Israel is not God's chosen people. Abraham and his spiritual descendants are the chosen people. The physical Nation of Israel has been cast into outer darkness (completely blind to Christ) and will not be saved until after the last Gentile has been saved.

This concept applies:

Mar 10:31 But many that are first shall be last (the physical Nation of Israel); and the last first (Gentiles).

Joe

 

[LoveYeshua]

You cant mean that the ten commandments, especially the sabbath, arent relevant to people today. People say that the ten commandments, including the sabbath, must be obeyed. Look at the seventh day adventists.
Beside which, our apostle for us in today's dispensation are commanded to follow Paul; the essence of all ten commandments can be found in his epistles, all but the sabbath.
Let me ask what might seem to be silly and not serious but do you think we should steal?

just something I dee here Doug Paul and the sabbath, he did follow it, when he mentions a particular verse about not minding the sabbath(s), he was speaking about the multiple sabbaths in the old testamant, there is no way Paul did not follow the 4th commandment but he was speaking of the rest of the law of Moses with the many different sabbaths, please research this and see for yourself.