ISLAM IS NOT THE REVELATION BEAST

[Davy]

Firstly, I am a Protestant Christian. My ancestors came to the Americas in the 1600's from France, having been under the persecutions against French Huguenots in France by the Catholic Church. And as much as I disagree with Radical Islam, I still am not deceived into thinking Islam represents the Revelation beast for the end times.

Per the signs of the end that Lord Jesus gave His Church in His Olivet discourse, the Revelation beast will operate from Jerusalem, not Europe, and not Mecca.

Below Lord Jesus was speaking of signs that happen at the end of this world just prior to His return...

Matt 24:15-16
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
KJV

Matt 24:21
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
KJV

That sign of the "abomination of desolation" idol to be setup per the Book of Daniel is to happen in JUDEA. That means JERUSALEM. It is one of the signs Jesus gave about the future "great tribulation", so it has not yet happened today, as the "great tribulation" is still in our near future.

Lord Jesus then in that same Matthew 24 Chapter gave the following sign about the coming of a false-Christ to Jerusalem, which is who He was pointing to that will cause the "abomination of desolation" idol to stand in that "holy place", in Jerusalem, meaning a new stone temple.

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.

Lord Jesus gave us the warning that if someone comes up to you in that time and says something like, "Lo, here is Christ, or there", then do not believe it. Why? Because that will be a FALSE-CHRIST.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

The above "false Christs" phrase Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance translated the Greek word pseudochristos as 'a spurious Messiah', meaning a singular false-Christ, or false-Messiah.

And there is your first MAJOR CLUE that the coming Antichrist/false-Messiah is NOT going to come from Islam, but instead from among the Jews.

And the reason is simple. It is because in order for that pseudo-Christ to mimic Lord Jesus Christ, and that is what his game will be about, he must simulate his origins being from the tribe of Judah, and of the house of David. No one born of Ishmael (Arabs) following Islam can mimic that.

25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

And just in case the reader didn't quite get His meaning, Lord Jesus repeated His warning about that coming pseudo-Christ, for us to not believe that false one who comes first will be Jesus.

Apostle Paul gave this same warning in 2 Thessalonians 2...

2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

That is the same subject Lord Jesus was warning about, a coming false-Messiah to Jerusalem that will sit in a new stone temple built there for the end, and proclaim himself as GOD. Paul in that same Chapter repeats the sign Jesus gave about that future false one in Jerusalem working the great signs, wonders, and miracles to deceive the world with.

Then Lord Jesus gave the Church even more information about that coming false-Christ, in His Book of Revelation He sent through His servant John...

Rev 13:11-15
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
KJV

That is about the false-Christ Jesus warned us about for the end. He is that "another beast", a 2nd beast representing the idea of the 'beast king'. In Revelation 13:1, the first beast is about a kingdom beast that comes up out of the sea of peoples. In Revelation 17:15 Lord Jesus defined that sea of waters to mean peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. That 1st beast is to have ten horns (ten kings), seven heads (earthly power zones), and ten crowns.

And per Revelation 17, in the last verse, we are told the Babylon Harlot symbolic "woman" is a "great city". And per Revelation 11:8 we are shown that "great city" is about JERUSALEM for the end.

What this means for Islam is that it will be subject to the one-world beast religion just like deceived Christian brethren will be also, and all other religions too. Or didn't you notice Apostle Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 that the coming false-Christ will exalt himself over ALL THAT IS WORSHIPED, OR THAT IS CALLED GOD?

What is going on today between Iran, Israel, and the Christian West are simply moves towards the coming "one world government" in prep for the coming false-Christ to reign from Jerusalem.

 

[Davy]

Furthermore, Communist Russia and Red China, which support Radical Islam terrorists with arms and training, aren't being called the Revelation 'beast'. Usually the main supporters of a radical movement represents the head of the snake. Yet we hear nothing about Russia or Red China in the mix.

That is even more strange when we look at God's Word that shows in Ezekiel 38 that Russia is behind the alignment of Islamic nations that will try to come up against Israel on the last day of this world. (Word "chief" for the chief prince of Meshech in Ezekiel 38 is the word 'Rosh', considered by scholars to be an old name for Rus, which is Russia. That is confirmed by just looking at who is funding and training radical Islam today.)

 

[Jay Ross]

It seems as if Davy is nailing his theist upon the door of religion with regards to the Beast of Revelation.

The fourth beast of Daniel 7:1-12 spoke pompous words against the Lord God. Islamist nations are operating under the influence of this fourth beast as well as the Little Horn beast.

The beast in Revelations is an amalgamation of all of the four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12.

It is important to identify the entity type of these beasts as being fallen wicked heavenly hosts who hold influence over people, people groups, nations, kingdoms and empires. If our paradigm about the entity type the beasts of Daniel 7 is wrong, then any understanding that we post is also wrong.

 

[Davy]

If one listens to the Jews who still reject Lord Jesus today, they will be in a world of hurt. Why?

It is because according to God's written Word, there is coming a false-Messiah to Jerusalem to play God first, prior... to the return our Lord Jesus Christ Who will destroy that false-Messiah. Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2 even said that false one will sit in a stone temple in Jerusalem before Jesus returns, and proclaim himself as God, and over all that is called God (i.e., over ALL religions), or that is worshiped.

In Matthew 24:23-26, Lord first warned about that coming false-Messiah, called a pseudo-Christ in the Greek. And Lord Jesus warned us that if someone during the "great tribulation" time comes up to us and says something like, "Lo, Christ is here, or there", Jesus said to believe it NOT. Lord Jesus remarked how that coming pseudo-Christ will work 'great signs and wonders' that IF it were possible, would deceive even His very elect. And Lord Jesus gave that warning for JERUSALEM, not Mecca, not Rome, not New York, not Brussels, etc.

So MARK those who try... to get your understanding away from JERUSALEM on this, because those either knowingly or unknowingly are pushing the devil's theology, and not staying in The Word of God as written.

 

[The Light]

And per Revelation 17, in the last verse, we are told the Babylon Harlot symbolic "woman" is a "great city". And per Revelation 11:8 we are shown that "great city" is about JERUSALEM for the end.

Davy, please. Just run now Davy. Run Davy Run.

Do you just skip over the scripture blindly?

The great city is Vatican City. Souls of men? Ring any bells Davy?

Revelation 18
12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

Did Jerusalem make the merchants of the earth rich? Or do you think that 220,000 plus Catholic Churches all over the world made the merchants rich?

Revelation 18
15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

Is Jerusalem decked in purple and scarlet with a gold cup in her hand? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Revelation 17
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Davy. It's only going to get worse as the scripture continually proves that you are without a clue. Go ahead and just run, because the scriptures that prove you are Biblically inept are going to keep coming.

 

[The Light]

And per Revelation 17, in the last verse, we are told the Babylon Harlot symbolic "woman" is a "great city". And per Revelation 11:8 we are shown that "great city" is about JERUSALEM for the end.

Davy, please. Just run now Davy. Run Davy Run.

Do you just skip over the scripture blindly?

The great city is Vatican City. Souls of men? Ring any bells Davy?

Revelation 18
12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

Did Jerusalem make the merchants of the earth rich? Or do you think that 220,000 plus Catholic Churches all over the world made the merchants rich?

Revelation 18
15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

Is Jerusalem decked in purple and scarlet with a gold cup in her hand? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Revelation 17
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Davy. It's only going to get worse as the scripture continually proves that you are without a clue. Go ahead and just run, because the scriptures that prove you are Biblically inept are going to keep coming.

 

[soberxp]

Why don't you think that Israel and its American ally are the ones...
To talk big and speak as if representing God.

Or perhaps the heretical Christians are the beast.(Revelation13:6)
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

 

[soberxp]

Furthermore, Communist Russia and Red China, which support Radical Islam terrorists with arms and training, aren't being called the Revelation 'beast'. Usually the main supporters of a radical movement represents the head of the snake. Yet we hear nothing about Russia or Red China in the mix.

That is even more strange when we look at God's Word that shows in Ezekiel 38 that Russia is behind the alignment of Islamic nations that will try to come up against Israel on the last day of this world. (Word "chief" for the chief prince of Meshech in Ezekiel 38 is the word 'Rosh', considered by scholars to be an old name for Rus, which is Russia. That is confirmed by just looking at who is funding and training radical Islam today.)

The United States is the country that has trained and supported the most terrorists.
It began during the period when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan until now.

Mark
3:23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?

3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

3:26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

 

[Davy]

Why don't you think that Israel and its American ally are the ones...

Because just by reading... The Bible one easily can know that God's Israel is still under His protection, even when His chosen people rebel. Those who rebel will eventually be 'cut off'.

Or perhaps the heretical Christians are the beast.(Revelation13:6)
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

There are heretical Christians that claim... to be Christians, just like there's the heretical "synagogue of Satan" that claim... to be Jews but are not.

When the false-Messiah shows up in Jerusalem, playing The Christ, it will be the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" that will be behind setting him up. They cannot claim ignorance of their actions then, for they well know what they are doing, as they worship Lucifer and not God. So those are not like the true seed of Israel which will be deceived, and be in shame when Jesus shows up later to destroy that false-Messiah setup in Jerusalem.

 

[Davy]

The United States is the country that has trained and supported the most terrorists.
It began during the period when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan until now.

The Afghans were not terrorists when fighting the Soviet Union, our enemy. So it's silly to try and compare that time of the Soviet invasion with the later U.S. military actions in Afghanistan.

And since you mention U.S. training for them, what about Iraq also? and even the Viet Minh under Ho during WWII? The U.S. trained those groups too. Those events happened when those groups were U.S. allies. The Viet Minh was our ally fighting against the Japanese. Iraq was our ally when U.S. ally Shah of Iran was ousted. Iraq was fighting against Iran and ally to the U.S. at that point, even when Sadam was one of Iraq's leaders. Sadam had U.S. military equipment we gave Iraq during their war with Iran, and he used it against U.S. soldiers in the Gulf War.

 

[Aman]

Davy, please. Just run now Davy. Run Davy Run.

Do you just skip over the scripture blindly?

The great city is Vatican City. Souls of men? Ring any bells Davy?

Revelation 18
12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

Did Jerusalem make the merchants of the earth rich? Or do you think that 220,000 plus Catholic Churches all over the world made the merchants rich?

Revelation 18
15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

Is Jerusalem decked in purple and scarlet with a gold cup in her hand? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Revelation 17
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Davy. It's only going to get worse as the scripture continually proves that you are without a clue. Go ahead and just run, because the scriptures that prove you are Biblically inept are going to keep coming.

the harlot riding the beast is not vatican city.

the harlot is none other than COMMERCE, it is she who has made the kings of the earth rich through her sorceries!

and yes, the harlot commerce does buy and sell the souls of men, they are traded as any other commodity.

buying and selling all those things listed in your quote:
The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

it really pains me to see you rip Davey as you do, seeing you name the Lord as your savior, why do you treat Davey with such contempt and disdain and that openly, shame on you!

he is correct.

everything comes to a head in Jesrsalem!

the fig tree hath budded and summer is nigh, darkness is increasing and the light fades.

this is where the two witnesses give their testimony for three-and-one-half years at the end of which they are killed on those very streets.

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

that scripture leave no room for doubt!!!

if it were as you say - vatican city - then why do the two witnesses give testimony and die in jerusalem and not vatican city?

 

[The Light]

the harlot riding the beast is not vatican city.

the harlot is none other than COMMERCE, it is she who has made the kings of the earth rich through her sorceries!

and yes, the harlot commerce does buy and sell the souls of men, they are traded as any other commodity.

buying and selling all those things listed in your quote:
The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

First off, the harlot riding the beast is a woman. Is COMMERCE a woman???????????

Vatican City is the home of the so-called HOLY MOTHER CHURCH which is a woman.

Revelation 17
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Secondly the woman is arrayed in purple and scarlet.

Is COMMERCE arrayed in purple and scarlet?
In Vatican City Bishops wear purple and Cardinals wear scarlet. Purple and Scarlet

I don't believe your point can be proven correct.

it really pains me to see you rip Davey as you do, seeing you name the Lord as your savior, why do you treat Davey with such contempt and disdain and that openly, shame on you!

You are either new here or are Davy. If you are new here welcome to the forum. If you are Davy, you will have no answers.

If you are new here, might I suggest you spend some time reading some of Davy's posts. See what he dishes out to others that disagree with his beliefs. Salvation does not depend on what your end time beliefs are.

When the scriptures are brought out, Davy cannot address the facts or prove his beliefs. He has to run.

he is correct.
everything comes to a head in Jesrsalem!

That is not what is being discussed. We are talking about the great city that has made the merchants of the world rich. They will wail when they see the destruction of that great city.

Revelation 18
17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Do you think that the merchants of the world will weep when Jerusalem is destroyed?

this is where the two witnesses give their testimony for three-and-one-half years at the end of which they are killed on those very streets.

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

that scripture leave no room for doubt!!!

Yes. Jerusalem is where the two witnesses testify and are killed. Yes. Jerusalem is where are Lord is crucified. As the scripture tells us.

However, that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the great city being discussed. Jerusalem does not dress in purple and scarlet. Jerusalem does not have a gold cup in her hands. Jerusalem did not make the merchants of the earth rich. And the merchants will not weep over the destruction of Jerusalem.

if it were as you say - vatican city - then why do the two witnesses give testimony and die in jerusalem and not vatican city?

Simple. Scripture tells us that the two witness give testimony and die in Jerusalem. That has nothing whatsoever to do with the great city that makes the merchants of the earth rich that is destroyed in one hour.

 

[Aman]

First off, the harlot riding the beast is a woman. Is COMMERCE a woman???????????

Vatican City is the home of the so-called HOLY MOTHER CHURCH which is a woman.

Revelation 17
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Secondly the woman is arrayed in purple and scarlet.

Is COMMERCE arrayed in purple and scarlet?
In Vatican City Bishops wear purple and Cardinals wear scarlet. Purple and Scarlet

I don't believe your point can be proven correct.

You are either new here or are Davy. If you are new here welcome to the forum. If you are Davy, you will have no answers.

If you are new here, might I suggest you spend some time reading some of Davy's posts. See what he dishes out to others that disagree with his beliefs. Salvation does not depend on what your end time beliefs are.

When the scriptures are brought out, Davy cannot address the facts or prove his beliefs. He has to run.


That is not what is being discussed. We are talking about the great city that has made the merchants of the world rich. They will wail when they see the destruction of that great city.

Revelation 18
17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Do you think that the merchants of the world will weep when Jerusalem is destroyed?

Yes. Jerusalem is where the two witnesses testify and are killed. Yes. Jerusalem is where are Lord is crucified. As the scripture tells us.

However, that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the great city being discussed. Jerusalem does not dress in purple and scarlet. Jerusalem does not have a gold cup in her hands. Jerusalem did not make the merchants of the earth rich. And the merchants will not weep over the destruction of Jerusalem.


Simple. Scripture tells us that the two witness give testimony and die in Jerusalem. That has nothing whatsoever to do with the great city that makes the merchants of the earth rich that is destroyed in one hour.

i don't debate, you win.

i thought perhaps here would be different but I see it's no different than any other.

I'm out, please delete my account, i'll keep looking for understanding elsewhere... though I think it does not exist.

thank our father i still have my closet.

 

[Jay Ross]

I agree Islam is not the fourth beast of Daniel 7:1-12, but they are being influenced within his dominion, and that of the Little Horn, to speak great words against God, and to trample God's Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts.

 

[Luther7]

Firstly, I am a Protestant Christian. My ancestors came to the Americas in the 1600's from France, having been under the persecutions against French Huguenots in France by the Catholic Church. And as much as I disagree with Radical Islam, I still am not deceived into thinking Islam represents the Revelation beast for the end times.

Per the signs of the end that Lord Jesus gave His Church in His Olivet discourse, the Revelation beast will operate from Jerusalem, not Europe, and not Mecca.

Below Lord Jesus was speaking of signs that happen at the end of this world just prior to His return...

Matt 24:15-16
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
KJV

Matt 24:21
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
KJV

That sign of the "abomination of desolation" idol to be setup per the Book of Daniel is to happen in JUDEA. That means JERUSALEM. It is one of the signs Jesus gave about the future "great tribulation", so it has not yet happened today, as the "great tribulation" is still in our near future.

Lord Jesus then in that same Matthew 24 Chapter gave the following sign about the coming of a false-Christ to Jerusalem, which is who He was pointing to that will cause the "abomination of desolation" idol to stand in that "holy place", in Jerusalem, meaning a new stone temple.

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.

Lord Jesus gave us the warning that if someone comes up to you in that time and says something like, "Lo, here is Christ, or there", then do not believe it. Why? Because that will be a FALSE-CHRIST.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

The above "false Christs" phrase Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance translated the Greek word pseudochristos as 'a spurious Messiah', meaning a singular false-Christ, or false-Messiah.

And there is your first MAJOR CLUE that the coming Antichrist/false-Messiah is NOT going to come from Islam, but instead from among the Jews.

And the reason is simple. It is because in order for that pseudo-Christ to mimic Lord Jesus Christ, and that is what his game will be about, he must simulate his origins being from the tribe of Judah, and of the house of David. No one born of Ishmael (Arabs) following Islam can mimic that.

25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

And just in case the reader didn't quite get His meaning, Lord Jesus repeated His warning about that coming pseudo-Christ, for us to not believe that false one who comes first will be Jesus.

Apostle Paul gave this same warning in 2 Thessalonians 2...

2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

That is the same subject Lord Jesus was warning about, a coming false-Messiah to Jerusalem that will sit in a new stone temple built there for the end, and proclaim himself as GOD. Paul in that same Chapter repeats the sign Jesus gave about that future false one in Jerusalem working the great signs, wonders, and miracles to deceive the world with.

Then Lord Jesus gave the Church even more information about that coming false-Christ, in His Book of Revelation He sent through His servant John...

Rev 13:11-15
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
KJV

That is about the false-Christ Jesus warned us about for the end. He is that "another beast", a 2nd beast representing the idea of the 'beast king'. In Revelation 13:1, the first beast is about a kingdom beast that comes up out of the sea of peoples. In Revelation 17:15 Lord Jesus defined that sea of waters to mean peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. That 1st beast is to have ten horns (ten kings), seven heads (earthly power zones), and ten crowns.

And per Revelation 17, in the last verse, we are told the Babylon Harlot symbolic "woman" is a "great city". And per Revelation 11:8 we are shown that "great city" is about JERUSALEM for the end.

What this means for Islam is that it will be subject to the one-world beast religion just like deceived Christian brethren will be also, and all other religions too. Or didn't you notice Apostle Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 that the coming false-Christ will exalt himself over ALL THAT IS WORSHIPED, OR THAT IS CALLED GOD?

What is going on today between Iran, Israel, and the Christian West are simply moves towards the coming "one world government" in prep for the coming false-Christ to reign from Jerusalem.

Wait till those pre- tribbers realize they ain't going anywhere! I agree with you.

 

[The Light]

Wait till those pre- tribbers realize they ain't going anywhere! I agree with you.

If you understood that there are two folds and the Church is the first fold you would understand that the Church will be raptured before the great tribulation. Then God will turn his attention to His Chosen and there will be 144,000 first fruits of the second harvest. He is coming in an hour that you think not, just as He says.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Furthermore, Communist Russia and Red China, which support Radical Islam terrorists with arms and training, aren't being called the Revelation 'beast'. Usually the main supporters of a radical movement represents the head of the snake. Yet we hear nothing about Russia or Red China in the mix.

That is even more strange when we look at God's Word that shows in Ezekiel 38 that Russia is behind the alignment of Islamic nations that will try to come up against Israel on the last day of this world. (Word "chief" for the chief prince of Meshech in Ezekiel 38 is the word 'Rosh', considered by scholars to be an old name for Rus, which is Russia. That is confirmed by just looking at who is funding and training radical Islam today.)

Anti-Christ is just that !
One has to understand that.

So if one is claiming, that say the State of Israel Government that is in Power now is bad ?
Who is to say that the State may not become truly bad under the other Partys ?
By all that I have seen with the want of intent games being played in regards to trying in getting rid of the PM that is in power now.
So if the Evil Socialist can get into Power that is clearly Evil !

All of the trouble makers are Socialist who clearly only want to Dictate over the People in fact ! be it the Socialist in the State of Israel or be it anyone else Islamic trash !

Like who would want to be under a Dictatorship !

Or why would people look up to Socialism as a Idol !
I would say, it's because such as the Idol they serve, playes the Games for such Godless fools and gives them what they want ? for that's the ends that Satanist has to play such cards ! for the time being ! and once they have dominated, then they will change their tune !

The Beast is Mans works ! it's a rejection of Christ Jesus in fact. or a false god ! that is peddled by religious dupes.

The Devil was a nice guy, willing to give something to you ! he even tryed to temp Salvation it's self ? Jesus ! with giving him the whole world ! how about That ! but Jesus knew who it was and exposed the Tempter !
For the Tempter wanted Salvation it's self ? to serve Temptation as a Idol god !

Jesus never came to lord it over People or dictating mandness, but for People to rise up out of the Deceptions and Delusions of this world !
All people who are not Saved are Lost ! but some of the Lost are not all that stupid or totaly pathetic, for they can have some understanding of how evil works, but they may not be masters of overcoming all such workings.

All Blighted people love to undermine other people ! why do they do such ? because they are clearly a Blight !
I seen this on TV of late, a Islamic dude Gang related with Businesses all under his control making huge money and not paying other people like new immigrants, mainly Islamic people no where near the correct pay rates etc etc.

So the deal is not so much with a Nation but in regards the people with in all Nations, who are what's called Owned ! owned by the system of this world, for they have no hope they are Slaves ! but we are to stand above such Wolves, Saints be Praised !

Is the Media worthy of Christ Jesus ? so why Idolise them.

 

[Luther7]

If you understood that there are two folds and the Church is the first fold you would understand that the Church will be raptured before the great tribulation. Then God will turn his attention to His Chosen and there will be 144,000 first fruits of the second harvest. He is coming in an hour that you think not, just as He says.

His " chosen" are all whom Christ died for. NO ONE ELSE. Otherwise everything that Jesus went through was in vain ( God forbid). And the only time we have to become one of His is NOW.

 

[The Light]

His " chosen" are all whom Christ died for. NO ONE ELSE. Otherwise everything that Jesus went through was in vain ( God forbid). And the only time we have to become one of His is NOW.

Quit hiding behind this. The Jews are the Chosen people. FACT.

There are two folds. The Church who knows Jesus currently and are known by Him will be the first fold. The second fold will be of the 12 tribes across the earth. Two folds into one-fold, just as the Word says. The one fold is the great multitude seen in Revelation 7 and Rev 19.

John 10
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 

[Davy]

His " chosen" are all whom Christ died for. NO ONE ELSE. Otherwise everything that Jesus went through was in vain ( God forbid). And the only time we have to become one of His is NOW.

NO WAY!!!

Christ died on the cross for the remission of the sins of ALL... who would believe. God is NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS, as written.

Per what Apostle Paul revealed about the 'mystery' of the majority of Jews having been spiritually blinded by God during this present world, with that blindness removed on the day of Christ's future coming, THAT... shows the 'fat lady ain't sung yet', not even when Jesus returns!

Many... during this present world time have yet to have 'their'... opportunity to hear The Gospel with eyes to see, and ears to hear. That is what Christ's future Millennium reign is mainly for. It will be a great time of teaching by Christ's elect. Jesus even promised His elect of the Church of Philadelphia that He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come worship Him at the feet of His elect! (Rev.3).

Just because there will be many that will have fallen away and will appear spiritually naked and in shame when Jesus does return, does NOT mean they are forever lost, which is the dirty doctrine of men you are pushing. ACCOUNTABILITY TO GOD is required, and ALL must declare who their allegiance is with, regardless of what limited scope preachers like Calvin thought.

On the day of Christ's future return, we ALL... will be changed to our "spiritual body". That "spiritual body" is able to grasp much wider spiritual concepts from God than our limited carnal minds. And in Christ's future "thousand years" reign, Satan will be locked in his pit prison unable to deceive the unsaved nations. Thus the unsaved will... HEAR with UNDERSTANDING, so they can make their choice to believe or not, WITHOUT Satan's influence! That is how ACCOUNTABILITY in that time will be achieved for the unsaved in that time.