When Jesus and the apostles lived and taught, there was secular government. That changed with Constantine.
The government should have defended their citizens, not surrender to Islam.
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When Jesus and the apostles lived and taught, there was secular government. That changed with Constantine.
The government should have defended their citizens, not surrender to Islam.
Did Jesus and the apostles not teach that the disciples are to love their enemy?
Armour of God
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That would lead to your own death, them taking your land, them killing your children and them, raping your wife.
Your being absolutely stupid now
It’s not easy to follow Jesus. Following him may or may not lead to my own death, them taking my land, them killing my children and them raping my wife.
I’m obeying Jesus and the apostles in all circumstances. You’re not.
Who’s the stupid one? Those who don’t obey Jesus and the apostles, I suggest.
Armour of God
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Armour of God
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You aren’t aligned with the teaching of Jesus and the apostles on this issue; I am. If that makes me stupid in your eyes then so be it. Is it your eyes or Jesus’ that matters?
No.
Armour of God
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Which means they should stop bombing everyone and let Islam invade.
Jesus never said you can't defend yourself and your family
Triumph1300
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Jesus never said, "Go, ahead, go over the top and kill women and children at random as you like."
Look at the mess they are creating and the widespread suffering, is that Jesus' way??
It is sickening and there is no end to the hate that has been created.
If Israel surrendered to Jesus, are you certain that God would not protect them from Islam while they obeyed the Messiah’s teaching?
Do it by obeying Jesus and the apostles.
Armour of God
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Ephesians 6:10-12
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
The Crusades was a defense against the evil forces of Islam. They followed the teachings of the New Testement
Armour of God
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Your allowed to defend yourself against evil authorities as it says in Ephisians 6:10-12. Your just being silly now. I'm going back to bed
I defend myself from evil by, and while, obeying the teaching of Jesus and the apostles.
2 Corinthians 10:3-5 isn’t optional for me. The Crusaders violated the teaching.
It’s a grievous mistake to pit Paul against himself, against Jesus, and against the other apostles.
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He's probably written 100's of such posts in this thread.
Pacifists abandon the Biblical command to DO JUSTICE. Micah 6:8
You have to keep asking him the same question because he doesn't answer.
This thread is about the reasons FOR the Crusades. All he can do is hijack the thread and argue against history.
You got that right.
He pushes a false Gospel, a half Gospel. He denies the Gospel where Christ commands us to act - ask, seek, knock - to make our lives better. Not just sit around, like we have no roll to play in the Great Commission of baptizing nations.
How dare our Lord talk about politics and nations?! According to pacifist ideology, we need to embrace a new age way of interpreting sacred Scripture in opposition to the way it's been interpreted over centuries by millions - and put into violent practice.
Silly. Stupid. Evasive. I've debated pacifists many times. The fatal flaw in the philosophy is the only reason they're alive (and free to hold such an abominable philosophy) is because others acted contradictory to it.
Margaret Thatcher famously said, "The problem with socialism is, sooner or later, you run out of other people's money." Both of these philosophies have the same fatal flaw, dependence on others acting contrary to it in order to endure. Notice how he relies on platitudes - love as Jesus told us - as a justification to disregard what else Jesus told us to; namely, give to Caesar what is Caesar's? We don't Sabbath 7 days per week but spend most of our time on the practical needs of life, which our Lord supported. That's government; addressing the soulful, practical needs of life.
This is why Scripture says if you don't work, you don't eat! He can't reconcile the fact that God's love has limits, which is the whole reason why the Lake of Fire and Second Death exists.
Worse, is his attempt to supplant historical fact with his pacifist argument. Millions of Christians for centuries acted contrary to his "true" or "real" conception of what a Christian is. One can imagine him rebuking Jesus for telling people to cut their own eye out, sell your cloak to buy a sword, coming not to bring peace but a sword, turning over tables and whipping at people - and ultimately, the first thing he does upon his 2nd Coming, smite all his enemies. That's not the Christ pacifists want us to be Christ-like.
@Armour of God almost nothing of what @Wrangler wrote about me in post #1236 is true. Whether or not you believe his false witness is your business. The Lord will rebuke him.
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Wrangler has said in this thread: “You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.”
I’m a follower of Jesus. I obviously disagree with Wrangler’s teaching concerning the followers of Jesus. Do you agree with this particular teaching of Wrangler’s or disagree with it?
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Wrangler has said in this thread: “You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.”
I’m a follower of Jesus. I obviously disagree with Wrangler’s teaching concerning the followers of Jesus. Do you agree with this particular teaching of Wrangler’s or disagree with it?
Armour of God
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@Wrangler
Ephesians 6:10-22
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Personally I'm greatful that the brave men of the Crusades followed this bible command and stood up to defended themselves against the evil invading forces of Islam. If they had surrendered, like some people wished they had, then none of us would be here today. All of Eurpoe would be Islam and there would be no Christianity, no Christian Americas. Perhaps that's what some of these people really want, the demise of Christianity.
Ephesians 6:10-22
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Personally I'm greatful that the brave men of the Crusades followed this bible command and stood up to defended themselves against the evil invading forces of Islam. If they had surrendered, like some people wished they had, then none of us would be here today. All of Eurpoe would be Islam and there would be no Christianity, no Christian Americas. Perhaps that's what some of these people really want, the demise of Christianity.
@Armour of God I received notification that you mentioned me in one of your threads this evening. Thank you. I’m unable to respond to it because your thread is located in a forum where I don’t have posting privileges. If you really want to discuss it with me - which I would be happy to do - it will have to be in one of the forums not designated “Christians Only”. (I’m a Jewish monotheist / primitive Christian and many members on this platform don’t accept that a Jewish monotheist / primitive Christian can be a Christian without becoming a trinitarian. In response to that, I voluntarily requested my original registration here be changed from “Christian” to “Other Faith” almost four years ago.)
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Welcome to the forum.
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Armour of God
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That's fine. I'm my opinion a Christian is someone who believes in Christ. You believe in Christ so to me you are a Christian brother.
May Gods grace and peace be with you
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