The Third Woe

[Douggg]

You mean Revelation 12:12. That verse is not related to any of the three woes. Hello?

Thanks for catching the typo. I edited the post.

My question is what number is the woe to the inhabiters of the earth in Revelation 12:12 ? You say it is not woe 3, so what woe number is it ?

 

[Douggg]

Tell me, Douggg, where does it say "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in direct relation to a description of events related to the first woe or the second woe?

The length of the third "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" spans the first two woes. It is not complicated.



When is Satan is cast down to earth to begin the time/times/half time, he is seen as a fallen star in Revelation 9:1 who opens the bottomless pit to release the flesh tormenting locust creatures that begins the first woe lasting 5 months.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Thanks for catching the typo. I edited the post.

My question is what number is the woe to the inhabiters of the earth in Revelation 12:12 ? You say it is not woe 3, so what woe number is it ?

LOL. Douggg, are you a comedian for a living? You should be. Your question relates to the three woes, does it not? I said it's none of those, so that answers your question.

 

[Douggg]

LOL. Douggg, are you a comedian for a living? You should be. Your question relates to the three woes, does it not? I said it's none of those, so that answers your question.

Well if you said it was none of three woes, then which number is it ?

How many woes to the inhabiters of the earth do you have in Revelation ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The length of the third "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" spans the first two woes. It is not complicated.

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Douggggggg. Look at you. Are you for real? You're right that it's not complicated, but you make it complicated by having the third woe start at the same time as the first woe. LOL. Ridiculous! You have some of the most ludicrous interpretations of scripture that I've ever seen in my life. No, the three woes each occur in chronological order, as everyone but you knows. That's why Revelation 9:12 tells us that the first woe is past after Revelation 9:1-11 is fulfilled, with it saying that the second and third woes will follow itand then it tells us when the second woe is past in Revelation 11:14 with the third woe quickly following it.

When is Satan is cast down to earth to begin the time/times/half time, he is seen as a fallen star in Revelation 9:1 who opens the bottomless pit to release the flesh tormenting locust creatures that begins the first woe lasting 5 months.

Yes, and then when the first woe/fifth trumpet events are over, the second woe/sixth trumpet events begin and are described starting in Revelation 9:13 and ending in verse 21. And then there are a couple parenthetical passages from Revelation 10:1-11:13. Then it says when the second woe/sixth trumpet events are over, the third woe begins quickly after that (Revelation 11:14) and is described in Revelation 11:15-18. Very simple, yet, you can't even understand this. You're most likely the only person in the world who doesn't understand that the last 3 trumpets (5, 6 and 7), which correspond to the three woes (Rev 8:13), describe events that happen in chronological order.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Well if you said it was none of three woes, then which number is it ?

It can't be assigned a number because it's none of the three woes. Hello? It's just a separate woe from the three woes that relate to the last 3 trumpets. There's no need to assign a number to it.

How many woes to the inhabiters of the earth do you have in Revelation ?

Irrelevant question not worth answering. It's as relevant of a question as asking how many times does it say "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in relation to the first woe and to the second woe? The answer to that question is none, but does that prove anything? Nothing except for the fact that a description of the woes does not have to include the phrase "woe to the inhabiters of the earth". That phrase does not have to be used only in relation to the three woes, but that is a man-made rule that you came up with to support your doctrine. It's clear that the third woe corresponds to the seventh trumpet. That's undeniable. It's also undeniable that the seventh trumpet events are described in Revelation 11:15-18, but you deny it, anyway.

 

[Douggg]

You're most likely the only person in the world who doesn't understand that the last 3 trumpets (5, 6 and 7), which correspond to the three woes (Rev 8:13), describe events that happen in chronological order.

So you have a straight line time line of... woe one...then woe two...then woe three. So where the time/times/ half time long woe to the inhabiters of the earth of Revelation 12:12 fit, relative that timeline ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you have a straight line time line of... woe one...then woe two...then woe three.

Yes, just like everyone else except you. You are so prideful that you think you are the only one in the world who understands the chronology of the three woes correctly out of all the Christians who have ever lived.

So where the time/times/ half time long woe to the inhabiters of the earth of Revelation 12:12 fit, relative that timeline ?

Douggg, do you forget everything I ever tell you? I'm pretty sure you do. I have told you my understanding of that several times. I have told you that I believe Satan was cast out of heaven (the third heaven) long ago after the resurrection of Christ, after which he was no longer able to accuse believers before God in the third heaven. Does this ring a bell, Dougggggg? I've only told you this probably at least ten times before. And I've told you many times that I don't see the time, times and half a time, the 42 months and 1260 days as being literal time periods and that they figuratively refer to the New Testament time period.

But, I believe the three woes/last 3 trumpets happen during Satan's little season before Jesus returns. I see the reference to the opening of the bottomless pit/abyss in Revelation 9:1 as being the time when Satan is loosed from the bottomless pit/abyss. I believe that Abaddon is another name for Satan because it describes him as being the king of the demonic locusts and fallen angels/demons have no other king but Satan. They are described as "his angels" (Rev 12:9, Matt 25:41).

 

[Douggg]

And I've told you many times that I don't see the time, times and half a time, the 42 months and 1260 days as being literal time periods and that they figuratively refer to the New Testament time period.

figurative ? You can't be serious. Is the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 literal or figurative to you ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

figurative ? You can't be serious.

Says the guy who places the order of the 5th, 6th and 7th trumpets in the order of 7, 5, 6 (and the order of the three woes as 3, 1, 2)! LOL! No, YOU can't be serious. We're talking about the most highly symbolic book in all of scripture and you think I can't be serious by interpreting the time periods in that book figuratively? YOU can't be serious. If you want to disagree, fine, but it's hardly a stretch to think that the time periods in a book that undeniably contains a lot of figurative text are figurative.

Is the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 literal or figurative to you ?

It doesn't even say 7 years! LOL. It says "one week". Taking literally, that would mean 7 days, but most of us discern that to mean 7 years instead. Nice try, Dougggggg.

 

[Douggg]

Says the guy who places the order of the 5th, 6th and 7th trumpets in the order of 7, 5, 6 (and the order of the three woes as 3, 1, 2)! LOL! No, YOU can't be serious. We're talking about the most highly symbolic book in all of scripture and you think I can't be serious by interpreting the time periods in that book figuratively? YOU can't be serious. If you want to disagree, fine, but it's hardly a stretch to think that the time periods in a book that undeniably contains a lot of figurative text are figurative.


It doesn't even say 7 years! LOL. It says "one week". Taking literally, that would mean 7 days, but most of us discern that to mean 7 years instead. Nice try, Dougggggg.

No wonder you can't make timeline charts.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No wonder you can't make timeline charts.

LOL. That's all you can say in response. Weak. As if your timeline charts are any more than a complete joke? It does you no good to create timeline charts, obviously. They are embarrassing (for you). You have the 7th trumpet/3rd woe events starting at the same time as the 5th trumpet/1st woe events. How do you think that anyone can possibly take you seriously when you believe such laughable nonsense? Revelation 9:12 even explicitly says that the second and third woes follow the end of the first woe and Revelation 11:14 explicitly says that the third woe follows the completion of the second woe and you still deny that the three woe events occur in chronological order. What a joke.

 

[Trekson]

You need to just leave the forum for awhile and spend time studying scripture and then come back to us. Because at this point you are just embarrassing yourself repeatedly with your nonsense.

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

The fact that you were not even familiar with this verse shows that you are not someone who should be taken seriously.

Sorry bro, but you're the one that is clueless.

 

[ewq1938]

The 3rd woe/7th trump is found in Rev 11, not Rev 12.

That's your opinion, but the bible disagrees.

No it agrees:

Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[ewq1938]

If you really think that the feasts have nothing to do w/ the end times and bible prophecy, you still have a whole lot of learning to do.

You admitted no prophecy about the second coming ever mentions the feast of trumpets so this theory of yours has zero biblical support while the last trump being the 7th trump is an exact match.

 

[ewq1938]

When during the 7 years does the second woe of a third of mankind killed by a 200,000,000 man army take place ?

The second woe is the 6th trump. It is a 42 month period not 7 years/84 months.

 

[Douggg]

The second woe is the 6th trump. It is a 42 month period not 7 years/84 months.

So when during that 42 months before Jesus returns does the second woe take place ? Remember the first woe lasts 5 months.

 

[Douggg]

Sorry bro, but you're the one that is clueless.

Spiritual Israelite thinks that the time frames in Revelation are figurative and not literal. So maybe it's best if we just put him on ignore.

 

[Trekson]

No it agrees:

Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The woes are addressed to the "inhabiters of the earth" and they gradually increase. Woe 1 consists of Rev. 9:1-11, Woe 2 consists of Rev. 9:14-11:14, Woe 3 consists Rev. 11:15-Rev. 12:12. It is even addressed the same way, "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth". A child can see the connection, yet y'all want to keep on denying it!!! That makes no sense!!

 

[Trekson]

Spiritual Israelite thinks that the time frames in Revelation are figurative and not literal. So maybe it's best if we just put him on ignore.

I would love to, how do we do that?