The "sudden destruction" from which unbelievers "will not escape" on the day of the Lord will be caused by fire coming down on the earth.

[Spiritual Israelite]

""Nope. Matthew 25:31-46 has not yet happened,""
100% agreed.
""No one has yet appeared before the judgment seat of Christ."" 1 Cor 3:10-15, 2 Cor 5:10
Since that is the teaching of Paul, who do you believe will appear there ?

Matthew 25:31-46 makes it clear that it will be all of the saved, which are those who will inherit eternal life in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world (Matt 25:34,46) and all of the lost, which are those who will be cast into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels for everlasting punishment (Matt 25:41,46).

You missed one reference to the judgment seat of Christ.

Romans 14:10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written: “As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.”
12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.

In verse 11 here, Paul references this prophecy...

Isaiah 45:22 “Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. 23 I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath. 24 He shall say, ‘Surely in the Lord I have righteousness and strength. To Him men shall come, And all shall be ashamed Who are incensed against Him.

It is not just believers who will appear before the judgment seat of Christ, as some people think. Every person, saved and lost, will bow before Jesus Christ when He is in His judgment seat/throne, including those "who are incensed against Him". And they will all acknowledge that He is Lord.

Philippians 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[rvmb]

Matthew 25:31-46 makes it clear that it will be all of the saved, which are those who will inherit eternal life in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world (Matt 25:34,46) and all of the lost, which are those who will be cast into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels for everlasting punishment (Matt 25:41,46).

You missed one reference to the judgment seat of Christ.

Romans 14:10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written: “As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.”
12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.

In verse 11 here, Paul references this prophecy...

Isaiah 45:22 “Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. 23 I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath. 24 He shall say, ‘Surely in the Lord I have righteousness and strength. To Him men shall come, And all shall be ashamed Who are incensed against Him.

It is not just believers who will appear before the judgment seat of Christ, as some people think. Every person, saved and lost, will bow before Jesus Christ when He is in His judgment seat/throne, including those "who are incensed against Him". And they will all acknowledge that He is Lord.

Philippians 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Gal 2:7-9... who is your Apostle, Matthew or Paul ?
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7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
**
The Judgement Seat of Christ Rom 14:10, 1 Cor 3:10-15, 2 Cor 5:10 is a Paul teaching applicable to Paul's audience not Matthews.

 

[Jay Ross]

What does Acts 9:15, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16 teach you ?

What is the point that you are making in your quoted NT scriptures?

Acts 9:15: - 15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children/sons of Israel.​

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Galatians 2:7-9: - 7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter 8 (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), 9 and when James, Cephas/Peter, and John, who seemed/were esteemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.​

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Romans 11:13-15: - 13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?​

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Romans 15:14-16: - 14 Now I myself am confident concerning you, my brethren, that you also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another. 15 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written more boldly to you on some points, as reminding you, because of the grace given to me by God, 16 that I might be a minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering of the Gentiles might be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit​

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Gal 2:7-9... who is your Apostle, Matthew or Paul ?

Galatians 2:7-9 doesn't reference Matthew. Did you mean Peter? What is the point of this question? I'm not into playing games.

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7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
**
The Judgement Seat of Christ Rom 14:10, 1 Cor 3:10-15, 2 Cor 5:10 is a Paul teaching applicable to Paul's audience not Matthews.

What in the world are you talking about? Do you think Paul never said anything about unbelievers? Can you please address what I said in my post?

 

[rvmb]

What is the point that you are making in your quoted NT scriptures?

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Acts 9:15: - 15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children/sons of Israel.​

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Galatians 2:7-9: - 7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter 8 (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), 9 and when James, Cephas/Peter, and John, who seemed/were esteemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.​

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Romans 11:13-15: - 13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?​

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Romans 15:14-16: - 14 Now I myself am confident concerning you, my brethren, that you also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another. 15 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written more boldly to you on some points, as reminding you, because of the grace given to me by God, 16 that I might be a minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering of the Gentiles might be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit​

""What is the point that you are making in your quoted NT scriptures?""
That was the question to you.
Based on those verses who did Christ select to teach you how to enter eternal life ?

 

[rvmb]

Galatians 2:7-9 doesn't reference Matthew. Did you mean Peter? What is the point of this question? I'm not into playing games.


What in the world are you talking about? Do you think Paul never said anything about unbelievers? Can you please address what I said in my post?

Is Matthew one of the 12 ?
Do you think >>THEY<< in Gal 2:7-9 has nothing to do with Matthew ?
So again, with reference to Gal 2:7-9, who is your Apostle, THEY-the 12 or Paul ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Is Matthew one of the 12 ?
Do you think >>THEY<< in Gal 2:7-9 has nothing to do with Matthew ?
So again, with reference to Gal 2:7-9, who is your Apostle, THEY-the 12 or Paul ?

Please address my post instead of playing games. You can't expect me to answer your questions without addressing what I said in post #141 first. After you do that then get back to me again about whatever point you're trying to make here and just get to the point instead of asking questions.

 

[rvmb]

Please address my post instead of playing games. You can't expect me to answer your questions without addressing what I said in post #141 first. After you do that then get back to me again about whatever point you're trying to make here and just get to the point instead of asking questions.

Do you know who your Apostle is ?
If so, who do you believe it is ?

 

[Earburner]

Moses spoke this to the nation of Israel before they entered the Land of Canaan: -

Deuteronomy 7:6: - 6 "For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure, above all the peoples on the face of His fertile soil.

That promise to Israel was fulfilled unto them that BELIEVED in "the Promise that was to come", who was Jesus!!

In every generation since Pentecost, every individual Jew that has NOT answered the calling of Christ to them, to repent and believe in Him, it is absolutely impossible for them to be grafted back into their own tree, aka the KoG!!

To ALL born again believers in Jesus:
1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

All Jews [and Gentiles- no difference] who reject Jesus, shall remain in eternal darkness/death.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Do you know who your Apostle is ?
If so, who do you believe it is ?

Are you a child? Did you not read what I said? Please be an adult and address my post instead of playing games. You can't expect me to answer your questions without addressing what I said in post #141 first. After you do that then get back to me again about whatever point you're trying to make here and just get to the point instead of asking questions.

 

[rvmb]

Are you a child? Did you not read what I said? Please be an adult and address my post instead of playing games. You can't expect me to answer your questions without addressing what I said in post #141 first. After you do that then get back to me again about whatever point you're trying to make here and just get to the point instead of asking questions.

Do you know who your Apostle is or do you just want to trade insults because you don't ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Do you know who your Apostle is or do you just want to trade insults because you don't ?

Why do you think I should answer your question before you address anything I said in my post #141 which came before your question? Do you not understand how these discussions work? Address what I said in that post first and then I'll answer your question. That's how adults have discussions. Imagine me asking you a question in response to yours and demanding that you answer it without answering your question first. That's the kind of thing you're doing here and it's not acceptable.

 

[rvmb]

Why do you think I should answer your question before you address anything I said in my post #141 which came before your question? Do you not understand how these discussions work? Address what I said in that post first and then I'll answer your question. That's how adults have discussions. Imagine me asking a question in response to yours and demanding that you answer it before I answer yours. That's the kind of thing you're doing here and it's not acceptable.

Clowns pretend to know everything and then when asked simple questions about what they should know they can't/dont answer & instead resort to diversions & insults, glad you're not like that xx

 

[Jay Ross]

""What is the point that you are making in your quoted NT scriptures?""
That was the question to you.
Based on those verses who did Christ select to teach you how to enter eternal life ?

I reference scripture, both the OT and the NT to form my understanding of the Old Salvation Covenant which Christ refreshed.

 

[rvmb]

I reference scripture, both the OT and the NT to form my understanding of the Old Salvation Covenant which Christ refreshed.

We can think & do what please but that doesn't over-ride what Christ taught THROUGH His Apostles.
A simple question to you :-
Who is your Christ selected Apostle ?

 

[Jay Ross]

We can think & do what please but that doesn't over-ride what Christ taught THROUGH His Apostles.
A simple question to you :-
Who is your Christ selected Apostle ?

Do I need to select an Apostle to follow?

 

[rvmb]

Do I need to select an Apostle to follow?

Who does the Bible teach is your Christ appointed Apostle ?
It's an easy question for those who 'know' Scripture :)

 

[Jay Ross]

Do I need to select an Apostle to follow?

Who does the Bible teach is your Christ appointed Apostle ?
It's an easy question for those who 'know' Scripture :)

My answer will not change.

Christ told His disciples/"Apostles" to go and make other disciples and to continue this process until He comes a second time.

So, once again what is your point?

 

[rvmb]

My answer will not change.

Christ told His disciples/"Apostles" to go and make other disciples and to continue this process until He comes a second time.

So, once again what is your point?

""Apostles" to go and make other disciples""
In that case Paul was also taught that.
Please list the verses >>FROM PAUL<< where he teaches the same

 

[Earburner]

Matthew 25:31-46 makes it clear that it will be all of the saved, which are those who will inherit eternal life in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world (Matt 25:34,46) and all of the lost, which are those who will be cast into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels for everlasting punishment (Matt 25:41,46).

You missed one reference to the judgment seat of Christ.

Romans 14:10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written: “As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.”
12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.

In verse 11 here, Paul references this prophecy...

Isaiah 45:22 “Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. 23 I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath. 24 He shall say, ‘Surely in the Lord I have righteousness and strength. To Him men shall come, And all shall be ashamed Who are incensed against Him.

It is not just believers who will appear before the judgment seat of Christ, as some people think. Every person, saved and lost, will bow before Jesus Christ when He is in His judgment seat/throne, including those "who are incensed against Him". And they will all acknowledge that He is Lord.

Philippians 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Everyone who was of faith in Christ, during their life time, have willingly appeared before the judgment seat of Christ, in the day that they repented before God, having continual faith in Jesus. All of such ARE NOT condemned ever again.

Everyone who was not of faith in Christ, during their life time, and did not willingly appear before the judgment seat of Christ, they remain under Adam's judgment, as being condemned ALREADY.
 Therefore, all of such who DID NOT bow before Jesus, while they had breath, they remain to be condemned ALREADY, and shall bow unto Him out of sheer terror and fear unto eternal destruction, in the day of His appearance in flaming fire.