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Spiritual Israelite

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Yes. He honestly will fulfill all His promises. I kid you not. Why would you call Him not keeping His word 'honest'?
Do you want to be taken seriously or not? I'm not getting the impression that you do. I'm obviously talking about YOU, not God. Don't slander me by acting as if my comments towards YOU are being made towards God. Understand? It's ironic that your username is "dad" because you act very childish.

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He does not save any nation unless they believe in Jesus.
He does not save any nation, period. He saves individuals within all nations.

When that remnant see Jesus returning, they will finally realize and believe and weep as for an only son. That is why they are saved.
Nonsense! This is a doctrine of demons. When Jesus returns, it will be too late for anyone to repent and believe! He is not coming to give people one last chance to repent and believe, He is coming to take vengeance on all of those who do not believe, whether they are ethnic Jews or Gentiles.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

That is why you or I are saved, belief in Jesus. Did you think that God waves a wand and picks out some nationn of unbelievers and forces them to convert while tossing the others to hell in a handbasket?
How is it then that all of the people of one nation will be saved all at once but not the people from any other nation? How does that work exactly without violating God's character of not being a respecter of persons?

See above. He is no respecter of persons and whosoever comes to Him He will in no wise cast out. The remnant comes to Him in the end. It will be come to Jesus time.
Why would they all come to Him in the end, but not all the people of any other nation?
 
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When that remnant see Jesus returning, they will finally realize and believe and weep as for an only son.
Are you aware that your remnant includes Judas Iscariot et al?

Zechariah 12:10
...they shall look upon me whom they have pierced...

That includes Judas, Caiaphas, and all of the Jewish leaders responsible for Jesus' death.

Are you ready to see Judas et al in heaven?
 

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For over 200 years, the Protestant reformers had been proving from scripture and from history that the papal church of Rome was the Antichrist, the man of sin, and the little horn of Daniel 7. As a result of this, the Catholic Church was leaking members and financial support like a burst water balloon. Rome needed an answer. Previously, they would meet such a challenge head on, through war and threats against secular rulers. In this case however, the stampede towards protestant truth required more. So Rome called what was later known as the council of Trent.
At this council they affirmed Catholic teaching, that tradition was of equal authority as scripture. They compromised on nothing, but still couldn't find an answer to the fast growing protestant movement, until the Jesuits provided it. They had to change the manner in which prophecy was interpreted. The reformers were historicist, just as were many of the church communities before them, such as the Waldenses and Cathars (Albigenses) and the Celtic church in Britain.
Enter Francisco (Franciscus) Ribera, a Spanish Jesuit priest (1537–1591) who is widely regarded as the key early futurist Jesuit commentator on Revelation. Ribera was a Jesuit from Spain who taught at the University of Salamanca and wrote a large commentary on Revelation around 1585–1590. His commentary argued that most of Revelation (after the early chapters) refers not to church history, but to a short, literal period (about three and a half years) immediately before the Second Coming.
Ribera was more of a writer than a lecturer. He also died at the early age of 54. For these reasons, Ribera’s views needed a shrewd and articulate champion to carry his message far and wide. The champion was found and his name was Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621).
Bellarmine was an Italian cardinal and also one of the ablest Jesuit
controversialists. He was a powerful speaker and lectured to large audiences. Bellarmine picked up where Ribera left off. In fact, Bellarmine made it his special project to spread the literalistic hermeneutic of futurism with unabated passion.
“He insisted that the prophecies concerning Antichrist in Daniel, Paul, and John, had no application to the papal power. This formed the third part of his Disputationes de Controversiis Christianae Fidei Adversus Huius Temporis Haereticos [Polemic Lectures Concerning the Disputed Points of Christian Belief Against the Heretics of This Time], published between 1581 and 1593. This was the most detailed apology of the Catholic faith ever produced, and became the arsenal for all future defenders and expositors. It called forth a host of counter-writings from Protestant leaders, who considered him their greatest adversary.” (Froom, PFF, II, p. 495).
Though the basics of Bellarmine’s prophetic views were identical to Ribera’s, he “perfected”, “refined” and amplified many of the details. And he crusaded in favor of the literalistic futurist view and against the Protestants with an evangelistic zeal worthy of admiration!
Bellarmine was an expert at turning the Reformers against themselves. For example, he wondered why Luther, who taught that his views were based on Scripture alone, doubted the canonicity of the book of Revelation. In contrast, Bellarmine appeared to be the defender of the book of Revelation as part of the New Testament canon.
He also took painstaking efforts to document the fact that the Reformers could not even agree among themselves as to when the prophetic periods began and ended. For example, some Protestants dated the beginning of the dominion of the Antichrist from the fall of Rome (400 A. D.). Others dated it to 600 A. D., when Pope Gregory the Great took the papal throne, and still others dated it to somewhere between 200 and 773, 1,000, or even 1,200. Bellarmine contended that if the Reformers could not agree on the time period of Antichrist’s dominion, neither could they be trusted to identify who he was. Bellarmine also documented that the Early Church fathers (not the New Testament writers!!) taught an individual Antichrist who would rule for a literal three and a half year period. In this way he tried to prove that his view was the original belief of the Early Church. He also showed that each of the Reformers interpreted Daniel and Revelation’s symbols differently. In this way he worked to undermine their views regarding the identity of the Antichrist.
In chapter five of his work, Bellarmine employed an argument which would later be picked up by Protestants. There, Bellarmine rewrote history, saying that the Roman Empire had never been divided according to the specifications of the prophecy and therefore, Antichrist could not have come yet. According to Bellarmine, the complete desolation of the Roman Empire must come before the advent of the Antichrist, and this had not yet taken place. It turned out later that a host of Protestant writers picked up this argument and “ran with it”.
The essence of Bellarmine’s argument is that the Papacy cannot be the Antichrist for three reasons:
1. The Antichrist prophecies call for an individual but the Papacy is a system.
2. The Antichrist time periods demand a literal three and one half years, but the Papacy has existed for centuries.
3. Antichrist is to sit in the Jerusalem Temple, but the popes are ruling in Rome.
Let’s allow Bellarmine to tell us these things in his own words:
“For all Catholics think thus that the Antichrist will be one certain man; but all heretics teach. . . that Antichrist is expressly declared to be not a single person, but an individual throne or absolute kingdom, and apostate seat of those who rule over the church.”
(Quoted in Froom, PFF, II, p. 500).
“Antichrist will not reign except for three years and a half. But the Pope has now reigned spiritually in the church more than 1500 years; nor can anyone be pointed out who has been accepted for Antichrist, who has ruled exactly three and one-half years; therefore the Pope is not Antichrist. Then Antichrist has not yet come. (Quoted in Froom, PFF, II, p. 502).
“The Pope is not antichrist since indeed his throne is not in Jerusalem, nor in the temple of Solomon; surely it is credible that from the year 600, no Roman pontiff has ever been in Jerusalem.”
(Quoted in Froom, PFF, II, p. 502).
The above teachings were later picked up by catholic leaning Protestants such as Samuel Maitland, James Todd, William Burgh, John Darby of the Plymouth Brethren, and the renowned John Henry Newman. Then through the Schofield Bible these Jesuit lies and deceptions, all invented to destroy Protestantism, ended up in the Dallas Theological Seminary, and the rest is history.

Futurism is the principle cause and motivation behind the current war against Iran and the wholesale unconditional support for Israel. All on delusion and Jesuit deception designed, successfully, to take the teeth out of protestant scriptural authority.
How you may wonder? Through the lie, invented by Ribera and later refined by Bellarmine, that the temple, spoken of in 2 Thess.2, must be a third temple expected by the dispensation people today to be built and that it is essential to Christ's second coming. Nearly all evangelical and charismatic preachers teach this, and they are all wrong. And what's more, they are responsible for deceiving multitudes and turning the attention of sincere well meaning Christians away from true Protestantism and the biblically affirmed teaching of the reformers and their almost fanatical focus on Israel as the center of end time prophecy, when in reality the focus ought to be on the United States.

All of futurism is built on the false premise of a future physical temple in Jerusalem. It is a curious blindness that those who promote this teaching cannot see within the very verse they use as the basis for it, declares the reason why it is untenable. Paul calls this temple, whatever you want to believe it may be whether physical or spiritual, the temple of God. Paul clearly and succinctly declares the temple as God's own temple. A dwelling place for His presence. That one single profound statement renders the entire Jesuit and now modern Protestant belief in a third temple built by either apostate Jews or the Antichrist himself, as a satanic inspired deception. And now there's a war being waged on those false grounds.
Baloney, because the papacy at best might be the FP but one will never be the a/c although Catholicism is a good example of having the spirit of antichrist. But again so do a lot of places in the world. Futurism is the only eschatology that aligns w/ scripture. The bible has always been futurist from Genesis through Revelation. Your last statement is completely wrong. Another temple is a very minor point of futurism and it is believed because the bible says there will be one and I'm not speaking about EZ. 40+!
 

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I agree somewhat with the commentaries but there are some glaring issues that stick out like a sore thumb.

Tapp equates joy with the sun and concludes that when the sun no longer goes down we will have habitual cheerfulness. An explanation of why we currently have joy when the sun is up and don’t when the sun is down is completely missing and doesn’t seem to take in account that He will never leave us or forsake us.
I seems possible that the sun was pictured often as joy in former times.
Sutcliffe equates the sun with the sun of Zion (Messiah) which is a very reasonable explanation but fails to explain why currently Messiah would be going down. It sounds good on the surface but lacks agreement with other scriptures if this condition is placed in the future. The explanation works if we place it occurring at the cross but I suspect that is avoided due to bias.
The sun of Zion, if it refers to it's joy, might make better sense
Barnes doesn’t comment on what the sun represents but does equate the sun going down with calamity, error, and sin. Avoiding what the sun represents allows for the explanation of why we currently have problems when the sun goes down but an interpretation that can answer both what the sun represents and why we have calamity when it goes down would be a superior interpretation.
Again, if the sun was something like their happiness or joy, then naturally if we say their sun will not go down anymore it just means they will not be gloomy or sad anymore.
F.B. Meyer doesn’t say what the sun represents nor does he attempt to explain why it’s going down would be problematic in the first place but he does comment on what transpires when the sun doesn’t go down.
As above
Whedon seems to equate the sun not going down with Jehovah being spiritual Jerusalem’s light but as the other commentaries do, he completely fails to address why we would currently experience the light of Jehovah going down.
Well currently there is no the joy of the Lord in Israel. If it is present tense. If talking future, then -- as above
Do you see the problem here? Can you answer both what the sun represents and why we would currently have calamity when the sun goes down? I have a reasonable answer for this if you’re interested.
In this context, if the sun represents the joy of Israel then it would not be sunny now. If it talked about the sun not going away, I guess that could refer to their joy not being taken away any more.

Since nothing is impossible for God, then do you agree that it’s currently possible that Jeremiah 31:35-36 was fulfilled and Israel is no longer a nation before God, forevermore?
No.
 

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Are you aware that your remnant includes Judas Iscariot et al?

Zechariah 12:10
...they shall look upon me whom they have pierced...

That includes Judas, Caiaphas, and all of the Jewish leaders responsible for Jesus' death.

Are you ready to see Judas et al in heaven?
You think when it says they will look on Him who they killed, it means Judas!? No. They would be the remnant that believe.
 

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That is meaningless, as Abraham discovered when he realized he was living in "a strange country". God's plan for all of His people in the end is to give them the eternal new heavens and new earth.

He left his home, so naturally the camping in another country was all new and 'strange'! Of course he desired heaven! That does not mean that that land will not be given to whom God said it would be given.
Visit New Jerusalem? What in the world does that mean? The New Jerusalem is not a literal city. It is "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Revelation 21:9). Christ's bride/wife is not a literal city, it is the church.
Ha. No. It is quite literal. Specific dimensions, gates, materials, streets, river etc etc.
I believe that you have no idea of what you're talking about.
I believe you believe that!
 
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Do you want to be taken seriously or not? I'm not getting the impression that you do. I'm obviously talking about YOU, not God. Don't slander me by acting as if my comments towards YOU are being made towards God. Understand? It's ironic that your username is "dad" because you act very childish.
Actually, no idea what you are talking about. either we believe He will make all His promises come true -- or not. period. Do you, for example believe He will give the promised land to the saved remnant or not?
He does not save any nation, period. He saves individuals within all nations.
Unless all the individuals get saved!
Nonsense! This is a doctrine of demons. When Jesus returns, it will be too late for anyone to repent and believe!
I never said after. Strawman
He is not coming to give people one last chance to repent and believe, He is coming to take vengeance on all of those who do not believe, whether they are ethnic Jews or Gentiles.

He is also coming to save His people. There are not just goats/weeds/tares around !
2 Thessalonians 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
Those will of course be punished while believers are rewarded. You seem to think only the evil exists?
How is it then that all of the people of one nation will be saved all at once but not the people from any other nation? How does that work exactly without violating God's character of not being a respecter of persons?
Well, after what they go through, you still need to ask?
Why would they all come to Him in the end, but not all the people of any other nation?
Because He brought them to the point of realizing they were wrong? Plenty from other nations are saved as well in the Tribulation.
 

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Ha. No. It is quite literal. Specific dimensions, gates, materials, streets, river etc etc.
Ha. Tell me how a literal city can possibly be "the bride, the Lamb's wife". Please explain that to me in detail. Ha, indeed.
 

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Actually, no idea what you are talking about. either we believe He will make all His promises come true -- or not. period. Do you, for example believe He will give the promised land to the saved remnant or not?
I believe your understanding of that is flawed. How are you not getting that by now? I believe, as I've said several times now, that God expanded His promise not only to Gentile believers, but also beyond that promised land to include the entire new heavens and new earth. Instead of praising God for that, you insist He should stick with the plan of just giving Jewish believers a piece of land instead.

I never said after. Strawman
What do you mean after? I didn't say "after", I said "When Jesus returns, it will be too late for anyone to repent and believe!". Did you not indicate that you believe they will see Him coming and then will repent and believe upon seeing Him? That's how it came across.

He is also coming to save His people. There are not just goats/weeds/tares around !
Why won't He save the people of other nations in the same way? You continue to make Him out to be a respecter of persons, but scripture clearly teaches that He is not (Acts 10:34-35).

Those will of course be punished while believers are rewarded. You seem to think only the evil exists?

Well, after what they go through, you still need to ask?

Because He brought them to the point of realizing they were wrong? Plenty from other nations are saved as well in the Tribulation.
But, not entire nations. For some reason you think God will only do that for Israel, thereby making Him out to be a respecter of persons.
 

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I believe your understanding of that is flawed. How are you not getting that by now? I believe, as I've said several times now, that God expanded His promise not only to Gentile believers, but also beyond that promised land to include the entire new heavens and new earth. Instead of praising God for that, you insist He should stick with the plan of just giving Jewish believers a piece of land instead.
Having the promised land ALSO for saved Israel fulfills what God said would happen. You can't wave the promise away.
What do you mean after? I didn't say "after", I said "When Jesus returns, it will be too late for anyone to repent and believe!"
After He returns. What if some got saved when they saw the sign of the son of man in the sky? For whatever reason, it does seem like a fairly last minute thing. Better late than never.
. Did you not indicate that you believe they will see Him coming and then will repent and believe upon seeing Him? That's how it came across.
How long will people see Him before His feet touch earth? What is the sign of the coming of the son of man? In some way it could be recognizable for Israel. How about those two witnesses that rise from the dead probably when He is returning or just before? What if you were a survivor in Israel after most people had already been killed, and you saw say, Elijah (or whoever they might be) rise up after having been killed and seen by all the world dead? What if you saw all the water on earth was turned to blood, and the stars and sun went out? etc etc. Then, after being saved and then seeing Jesus descending from heaven, sure, weeping that you had hated Him and killed Him and rejected your messiah etc would be what would happen.
Why won't He save the people of other nations in the same way?
He doesn't save Israel by a magic wand wave. They finally get it. The survivors finally realize and believe. It took that Great Tribulation, plagues, vials, angels from God preaching, 144,000 Jews preaching, 2 witnesses preaching, miracles, distinct signs happening, etc etc to bring the remnant to that point finally. That is one reason there was that 7 year period to begin with, to reach them! Almost like an extra seven years at the end of the world to get them to be saved. That is what it takes for them! Stubborn till the end.
You continue to make Him out to be a respecter of persons, but scripture clearly teaches that He is not (Acts 10:34-35).
False, all who call are saved. The remnant call.
But, not entire nations.
Israel had the Scriptures, the prophets etc etc. They of all people should recognize the signs when they see prophesy fulfilled. The remnant apparently finally get it.
 

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That is a title, like Lamb. So if it says the city is for the bride and the Lamb will be in it that means that believers and Jesus will be there.
The text doesn't indicate that the city is for the bride. The text indicates that the city IS the bride. Stop trying to change scripture to make it say what you want it to say.

Revelation 21:9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me and talked with me, saying, “Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife.” 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
 

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Having the promised land ALSO for saved Israel fulfills what God said would happen. You can't wave the promise away.
I'm not doing that, I'm accepting that God expanded His promise to something better, as Hebrews 11:8-16 indicates.

After He returns. What if some got saved when they saw the sign of the son of man in the sky? For whatever reason, it does seem like a fairly last minute thing. Better late than never.
That is a doctrine of demons, as I said. Once it is time for Jesus to come again, it will be too late for anyone to repent. Read 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9. Does that give any indication that any believers will have a chance to repent and believe once it is time for Jesus to come again? Clearly not.

How long will people see Him before His feet touch earth? What is the sign of the coming of the son of man? In some way it could be recognizable for Israel. How about those two witnesses that rise from the dead probably when He is returning or just before? What if you were a survivor in Israel after most people had already been killed, and you saw say, Elijah (or whoever they might be) rise up after having been killed and seen by all the world dead? What if you saw all the water on earth was turned to blood, and the stars and sun went out? etc etc. Then, after being saved and then seeing Jesus descending from heaven, sure, weeping that you had hated Him and killed Him and rejected your messiah etc would be what would happen.

He doesn't save Israel by a magic wand wave. They finally get it. The survivors finally realize and believe. It took that Great Tribulation, plagues, vials, angels from God preaching, 144,000 Jews preaching, 2 witnesses preaching, miracles, distinct signs happening, etc etc to bring the remnant to that point finally. That is one reason there was that 7 year period to begin with, to reach them! Almost like an extra seven years at the end of the world to get them to be saved. That is what it takes for them! Stubborn till the end.
Your beliefs are based entirely on speculation rather than on any clear scriptures. I can't take you seriously.

False, all who call are saved. The remnant call.
You are doing nothing to explain why the people of only one nation would all call on the Lord to be saved, but not the people of any other nation. You believe it will be God's doing. That is what you have said. So, you make Him out to be a respecter of persons. Deny it all you want, but that is exactly what you're doing.

Israel had the Scriptures, the prophets etc etc. They of all people should recognize the signs when they see prophesy fulfilled. The remnant apparently finally get it.
Yes, they somehow all get it all at the same time. Without God making that happen? Really? The odds of that happening are extremely slim, at best.
 
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You think when it says they will look on Him who they killed, it means Judas!? No. They would be the remnant that believe.
Judas et al are of the house of David, who will look upon Jesus whom they had pierced. Zechariah 12:10

The verse declares that they will mourn and be in bitterness for Him, so obviously they will believe.

And so you'll meet and greet them in heaven.
 

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I'm not doing that, I'm accepting that God expanded His promise to something better, as Hebrews 11:8-16 indicates.
No, you are saying they will not get that promised land. Be honest
That is a doctrine of demons, as I said. Once it is time for Jesus to come again, it will be too late for anyone to repent.
AFTER He comes of course. Not before. During the tribulation, even the last part is legit
Read 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9. Does that give any indication that any believers will have a chance to repent and believe once it is time for Jesus to come again? Clearly not.
Strawman argument. When He is already here and destroying enemies that is too late. 5 minutes before that - fine and dandy.
Your beliefs are based entirely on speculation rather than on any clear scriptures. I can't take you seriously.
Your position is weak, confused and unsupportable
You are doing nothing to explain why the people of only one nation would all call on the Lord to be saved, but not the people of any other nation.
People of all nations are saved. In the case of the pitiful survivors in Israel, they all believe. He is no respecter of persons so He saves even them!
You believe it will be God's doing. That is what you have said.
In bringing them to the place where they finally see. He doesn't magically make them accept Him. They decide. Just like the rest of us all decide to be saved or not.
So, you make Him out to be a respecter of persons. Deny it all you want, but that is exactly what you're doing.
On the contrary. Despite their crimes and rejections and sins through ages, He accepts even them when they believe. Whosoever will, let him come. No respect of persons. Try to respect the promises too!
Yes, they somehow all get it all at the same time. Without God making that happen? Really? The odds of that happening are extremely slim, at best.
Where is the mystery on how people accept Jesus or not? The 'somehow' is the same for all people on earth. Jesus. There is no other way
 

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Judas et al are of the house of David, who will look upon Jesus whom they had pierced. Zechariah 12:10
Says ---who!? Judas is the son of perdition. natural birth and parents mean squat. What makes you call Judas the house of Israel?
The verse declares that they will mourn and be in bitterness for Him, so obviously they will believe.
Right...and..?
And so you'll meet and greet them in heaven.
Yes, all saved are brethren. This is news? I will likely also meet many of them in the earthly promised land on their farm! ha
 

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Says ---who!? Judas is the son of perdition. natural birth and parents mean squat. What makes you call Judas the house of Israel?
What makes you deny that Judas was of the house of David?
Yes, all saved are brethren. This is news? I will likely also meet many of them in the earthly promised land on their farm! ha
The house of David gets saved in Zechariah 12:10.

So Judas gets saved.

Get ready to meet and greet him in heaven.
 
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