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Big Boy Johnson... The only man on the planet without leaven. Maybe somebody will make a saint out of him one day.
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Should we ignore Galatians 5:9 then?
You know I'm not the one that put Galatians 5:9 in the Word.
I'm just repeating what the Lord said in His Word
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Thank you. A messenger. There is nothing in the word itself, angel, that suggests angels are created beings. We get that idea from elsewhere in scripture, but not from the word itself. Messenger. So when we look at the word archangel, what do we see? The prefix comes from the word
757 ἄρχω archo ar’-kho
a primary word; v; TDNT-1:478,81; {See TDNT 102}
AV-rule over 1, reign over 1; 2
1) to be chief, to lead, to rule
the chief or ruler over the angels. in scripture, we read of only one archangel. Some claim Gabriel to be an archangel, but that doesn't come from scripture. There is only one head. One chief. One ruler. God's name t throughout the scripture is Michael. Elsewhere in scripture we read of the Lord of hosts. Check out a full explanation here as to the evidence we use on defining Jesus as Michael...
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Adventists don't get their beliefs from corn flake packets. Nothing they believe is without scriptural evidence...
""There is nothing in the word itself, angel, that suggests angels are created beings. ""
What verses do you believe teach how & who made angels ?
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""Thank you. A messenger."" <<< or angel
Jesus created all of the Angelic Hosts, both the good ones and the fallen ones.
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And THE Angel of the Lord was specifically Jesus preincarnated in OT, not Michael as in heaven both are existing right now there
Investigative Judgement is a heresy, as it denies Pauline Justification, and requiring one to keep Jewish Sabbath another heretical view, as Sda moves it to be required to be saved
And THE Angel of the Lord was specifically Jesus preincarnated in OT, not Michael as in heaven both are existing right now there
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Another wannabe SDA critic and expert on SDA heresy. You are playing mind games with yourself. You imagine you have great knowledge and sufficient evidence to condemn an entire domination yet in the very post in which you attempt to accomplish that, you reveal your ignorance. You know nothing as you ought to know.
What is the Investigative Judgment? – Answering Adventism
Unveiling the Seventh-Day Adventist's core doctrine: Investigative Judgment's complex origins and impact on Christian orthodoxy.
answeringadventism.com
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But not an SDA source itself. Why oh why do people expect an unbiased explanation of anyone's beliefs by going to their enemies?All taken from official Sda sourcesWhat is the Investigative Judgment? – Answering Adventism
Unveiling the Seventh-Day Adventist's core doctrine: Investigative Judgment's complex origins and impact on Christian orthodoxy.
Do you then accept Ellen White teaching on this issue that in the end, you will be judged based upon how well you confirmed to the Law, how well kept it and the sabbath Day, and that in that trial Jesus shall not be your mediator?
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Why would there be no Mediator during the investigative judgement? Please refer me to any suggestion from Ellen White that such is taught or believed.
Have to ask Ellen White that
Ellen G. White, who the SDA Church believes was divinely inspired and corrects inaccurate interpretations of scripture, claimed that, at the close of human probation (a false doctrine), the mediation of Christ will cease and the believer will have to stand before Almighty God without an intercessor. In fact, she claimed that Jesus is only mediating for those who let nothing interfere with their duty to perfect holiness and believe and understand the teaching of the investigative judgement. She claims this is because, like the Jews of Jesus’s day that rejected Him, if one rejects the teaching of the investigative judgement then one is rejecting Christ as mediator.
In the same vision that she falsely claimed to be shown the day and hour of Jesus’s return, she also falsely claimed that once this meditation stops then Jesus will take off the Levitical priesthood garments He is wearing and put on His kingly robe. Which means she didn’t believe He was ruling and reigning as a king presently. Jesus is not wearing Levitical priesthood garments in heaven.
All of this severely contradicts scripture and shows a serious lack of understanding as to what Jesus’s mediation entails and accomplishes.
The Holy Spirit very clearly tells us that Jesus will forever live to make intercession for His people because He will not die, thus His priesthood will never end (Hebrews 7:25). He will also rule and reign forever as a king because He is not just a high priest, but a King (Revelation 11:15). He is a High Priest King. Since He is after the order of Melchizedek, not Aaron, Melchizedek was both a high priest and a king (Hebrews 6:19-20, 7:1). This means that as long as Jesus is ruling and reigning He will also be interceding for His people. His ascension was the inauguration and coronation of His kingly reign.
Christ is the only mediator between God and man (1 Timothy 2:5). This work entails more than simply interceding on behalf of sinners. It’s how the believer has peace with God (Romans 5:1-11). If Jesus’s mediation were to cease, man would be eternally lost. Even into eternity, Jesus will remain the intercessory connection point between God and man forever bridging the gap, keeping His people secure.
Ellen White claimed that “whatever contradicts God’s Word, we can be sure proceeds from Satan”, that her writings never contradict God’s Word, and bear the test of investigation.
Will Jesus cease mediating for believers at some point? – Answering Adventism
Contradiction? Explore how Ellen White's claimed professing believers will have to stand in the sight of Almighty God without an intercessor, contrary to script
answeringadventism.com
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Are you too shy to actually produce Ellen White quotes and teachings, and you have to take the easy route and quote her enemies and trust what they have to say about her. Of course, being enemies to Adventism they will tell the truth right?Have to ask Ellen White that
Ellen G. White, who the SDA Church believes was divinely inspired and corrects inaccurate interpretations of scripture, claimed that, at the close of human probation (a false doctrine), the mediation of Christ will cease and the believer will have to stand before Almighty God without an intercessor. In fact, she claimed that Jesus is only mediating for those who let nothing interfere with their duty to perfect holiness and believe and understand the teaching of the investigative judgement. She claims this is because, like the Jews of Jesus’s day that rejected Him, if one rejects the teaching of the investigative judgement then one is rejecting Christ as mediator.
In the same vision that she falsely claimed to be shown the day and hour of Jesus’s return, she also falsely claimed that once this meditation stops then Jesus will take off the Levitical priesthood garments He is wearing and put on His kingly robe. Which means she didn’t believe He was ruling and reigning as a king presently. Jesus is not wearing Levitical priesthood garments in heaven.
All of this severely contradicts scripture and shows a serious lack of understanding as to what Jesus’s mediation entails and accomplishes.
The Holy Spirit very clearly tells us that Jesus will forever live to make intercession for His people because He will not die, thus His priesthood will never end (Hebrews 7:25). He will also rule and reign forever as a king because He is not just a high priest, but a King (Revelation 11:15). He is a High Priest King. Since He is after the order of Melchizedek, not Aaron, Melchizedek was both a high priest and a king (Hebrews 6:19-20, 7:1). This means that as long as Jesus is ruling and reigning He will also be interceding for His people. His ascension was the inauguration and coronation of His kingly reign.
Christ is the only mediator between God and man (1 Timothy 2:5). This work entails more than simply interceding on behalf of sinners. It’s how the believer has peace with God (Romans 5:1-11). If Jesus’s mediation were to cease, man would be eternally lost. Even into eternity, Jesus will remain the intercessory connection point between God and man forever bridging the gap, keeping His people secure.
Ellen White claimed that “whatever contradicts God’s Word, we can be sure proceeds from Satan”, that her writings never contradict God’s Word, and bear the test of investigation.
Will Jesus cease mediating for believers at some point? – Answering Adventism
Contradiction? Explore how Ellen White's claimed professing believers will have to stand in the sight of Almighty God without an intercessor, contrary to script
Example. Your source claimed the human probation is a false doctrine. I assume you agree with this, so you would be able to exegete the following...
“10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. ”
Revelation 22:10-12 KJV
Are you too shy to actually produce Ellen White quotes and teachings, and you have to take the easy route and quote her enemies and trust what they have to say about her. Of course, being enemies to Adventism they will tell the truth right?
Example. Your source claimed the human probation is a false doctrine. I assume you agree with this, so you would be able to exegete the following...
“10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. ”
Revelation 22:10-12 KJV
Ellen G. White Estate: Daily Devotional - Homeward Bound
whiteestate.org
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Aaaah, well done. An actual direct quote from Mrs White. So, tell me. What's your actual beef with what she wrote there?Ellen G. White Estate: Daily Devotional - Homeward Bound
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in case you have not figured it out yet , though i think you already have ,
any man that t ries to correct sin and etc is gonna be accused of being legastlic or words to that effect .
This generation IS DONE with the true instruction in said bible . THEY want the new stuff my friend
and by new stuff i mean whatsoever they desire for to hear that will allow them
their one true hearts love and desire . And that is SIN . My soul weeps for many now .
All one can do is continue to correct and speak the truth and understand that many will fight against it
but some will hear . Men and man has done tho ughout all ages what men and man does .
BUT SHEEP gonna do as JESUS bids them to do . And sheep will not be loved by the world
or by even many that warm a pew in these last days and hours .
Many are the enemies of a sheep and sadly many of them can appear in wool as well .
but the sheep cannot give up or give in to compromise . This war has raged throughout
the centuries and it grows even worse by the hour now . It will all end ON JESUS day .
Till then the faithful to CHRIST must endure and speak and live the truth by the SPIRIT and not compromise .
