The "sudden destruction" from which unbelievers "will not escape" on the day of the Lord will be caused by fire coming down on the earth.

[rvmb]

What I seek is God's just judgment, and I hope to be under judgment.I can learn more from god's word when I was wrong.

For this, I don't need any scripture to support my appeal.Except the last judgment of God in the Bible.

You said >>>"I think only those who truly obey God's word can sit on the judgment seat.
Which verses teach the "judgment seat"
Do you not understand the question ?

 

[soberxp]

You said >>>"I think only those who truly obey God's word can sit on the judgment seat.
Which verses teach the "judgment seat"
Do you not understand the question ?

I know your question very well.If a Christian doesn't understand the word of God,How does he judge others?

 

[rvmb]

I know your question very well.If a Christian doesn't understand the word of God,How does he judge others?

Then answer your claim :-
You said >>>"I think only those who truly obey God's word can sit on the judgment seat.
Which verses teach " the judgment seat" that you are talking about ?
Easy question for you

 

[soberxp]

Then answer your claim :-
You said >>>"I think only those who truly obey God's word can sit on the judgment seat.
Which verses teach " the judgment seat" that you are talking about ?
Easy question for you

1 Corinthians 6:2
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

 

[rvmb]

1 Corinthians 6:2
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

You said "the judgment seat"
1 Cor 6:2 is not "the judgment seat"
Try again XP
You said >>>"I think only those who truly obey God's word can sit on the judgment seat.
Which verses teach " the judgment seat" that you are talking about ?

 

[soberxp]

You said "the judgment seat"
1 Cor 6:2 is not "the judgment seat"
Try again XP
You said >>>"I think only those who truly obey God's word can sit on the judgment seat.
Which verses teach " the judgment seat" that you are talking about ?

Shouldn't the judge be sitting on the bench?

 

[rvmb]

Shouldn't the judge be sitting on the bench?

You said "the judgment seat"
1 Cor 6:2 is not "the judgment seat"
Try again XP
You said >>>"I think only those who truly obey God's word can sit on the judgment seat.
Which verses teach " the judgment seat" that you are talking about ?

 

[soberxp]

You said "the judgment seat"
1 Cor 6:2 is not "the judgment seat"
Try again XP
You said >>>"I think only those who truly obey God's word can sit on the judgment seat.
Which verses teach " the judgment seat" that you are talking about ?

It's just an adjective, not that they have to sit there.

 

[rvmb]

It's just an adjective, not that they have to sit there.

Good, you admit you were wrong.
How would you like to rephrase your claim ?
You said >>>"I think only those who truly obey God's word can sit on the judgment seat.

 

[soberxp]

Good, you admit you were wrong.
How would you like to rephrase your claim ?
You said >>>"I think only those who truly obey God's word can sit on the judgment seat.

If a person doesn't even know the word of God well and how he is qualified to judge others,when he is wrong himself for the word of God.

I don't need to quote the original text of the Bible to state my point of view.Because that's the fact.

 

[rvmb]

If a person doesn't even know the word of God well and how he is qualified to judge others,when he is wrong himself for the word of God.

I don't need to quote the original text of the Bible to state my point of view.Because that's the fact.

You said >>>"I think only those who truly obey God's word can sit on the judgment seat.
Which verses teach "the judgment seat" that you are speaking of ?
Is the question still too hard for you to understand ?

 

[soberxp]

You said >>>"I think only those who truly obey God's word can sit on the judgment seat.
Which verses teach "the judgment seat" that you are speaking of ?
Is the question still too hard for you to understand ?

1 Corinthians 6:2
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

I have answered your question. Only saints can judge others.Not every believer is a saint.And said that this is the final judgment.

 

[rvmb]

1 Corinthians 6:2
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

I have answered your question. Only saints can judge others.Not every believer is a saint.And said that this is the final judgment.

1 Cor 6:2 is not "the judgment seat"
You said >>>"I think only those who truly obey God's word can sit on the judgment seat.
Which verse teach ""the judgment seat"" you spoke about ?

 

[soberxp]

1 Cor 6:2 is not "the judgment seat"
You said >>>"I think only those who truly obey God's word can sit on the judgment seat.
Which verse teach ""the judgment seat"" you spoke about ?

I think I used the right words.If you think it's inappropriate, that's your problem, not mine.

 

[rvmb]

I think I used the right words.If you think it's inappropriate, that's your problem, not mine.

You made the claim, it's your problem if you don't know what you are talking about.
You said >>>"I think only those who truly obey God's word can sit on the judgment seat.
You are welcome to retract your claim & reword it.

 

[soberxp]

I didn't write about the defendant's seat.

 

[rvmb]

I didn't write about the defendant's seat.

You said >>>"I think only those who truly obey God's word can sit on the judgment seat.
You made the judgment seat claim.
Which "judgment seat" verses are you referring to ?

 

[Earburner]

You really need to ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7) because you just butcher scripture sometimes. That passage is only talking about physical destruction, not destruction of "those left in the graves". Your own human wisdom (wisdom of man) is leading you astray.

You do not understand the severity of the flaming fire of Christ. Please see 2 Peter ch. 3.

Yes, he absolutely did. He did not speak of it in present tense.

I see nothing except an explanation that has been promoted by church-ianity about the Judgment Seat of Christ and most everyone believing it to be off in the distant future.

This kind of gibberish does nothing to promote good discussion. You are relying on your own human wisdom for understanding here. That is clear. This "Church-ianity" nonsense is ridiculous. I don't get my understanding from "Churchianity".

If so, then why are you supporting the gibberish that church-ianity promotes and believes about the Judgment Seat of Christ being in the distant future? Where in the words of Paul does he point to a specific time zone? He doesn't.
However, it does line up with John 3:18 most perfectly. The only ones who ARE APPEARING (showing ones self) BEFORE CHRIST'S SEAT, ARE THOSE WHO DO CONVERT.

Get serious. I do not see the 70th week of Daniel 9 as being in the future, so my view has nothing to do with "churchianity". Good grief. Unreal.

You misalign what I say.

Most Amills do not believe that the 70th week of Daniel 9 will be fulfilled in the future. Are you a full preterist or something? You seem to be against the idea of anything being fulfilled in the future.

You blatantly misalign what I say.

I absolutely do not and it has nothing to do with "churchianity". You came up with that to hide your own flawed human wisdom.


Yet, you are completely unable to back that up with scripture, so those are empty words. Jesus very clearly indicated that the judgment where He would be on His throne/judgment seat will occur when He comes again with His angels. Unless you deny that He will come in the future with His angels, you should understand that people appearing before His judgment seat to give an account of themselves will occur when He returns in the future. But, you are so stuck on this imaginary "churchianity" nonsense, that you can't see how far off base your own view is.

This is not a debate, but rather a discussion of how the Holy Spirit means for us to understand "the Judgment Seat of Christ", and not that understanding of "the wisdom of men" in church-ianity and their denominational Bible colleges.

Your own accusations against me prove your own instability in this discussion. You are spending all your time defending what the wisdom of men teach, as opposed to what the Holy Spirit teaches.

On the basis of Rev. 3:14-20, ever since Pentecost, ALL must appear [show ones self] before the Judgment Seat of Christ.

The call for all to "appear" has been given in John 3:16, and has been operative since Pentecost, upto this very moment, even until the Day of Jesus fiery return.
The manifestation of that Judgment is John 3:18.

 

[Davidpt]

When Jesus returns in flaming fire, the earth and all the graves will be burned up in the Lake of fire, which is molten lava covering the surface of the earth. The bodies of the unsaved (what remains of them) will be in those graves. It will all take place within 24 hours (one DAY).
Make no mistake, every person who does not have the Gift of the Holy Spirit, the Vehicle of Eternal Life, they will not be resurrected, and neither indeed can be!!

Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.


This verse is a lie then?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

When Jesus returns in flaming fire, the earth and all the graves will be burned up in the Lake of fire, which is molten lava covering the surface of the earth. The bodies of the unsaved (what remains of them) will be in those graves. It will all take place within 24 hours (one DAY).
Make no mistake, every person who does not have the Gift of the Holy Spirit, the Vehicle of Eternal Life, they will not be resurrected, and neither indeed can be!!

I sometimes wonder what Bible you are reading. You apparently think the fire mentioned in Revelation 20:9 (and 2 Peter 3:10-12) is the lake of fire? It is not. That occurs before the judgment which is when unbelievers will be cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:9 is not the same event as Revelation 20:15.

Also, saying that unbelievers will not be resurrected requires you to ignore the following verses...

Daniel 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

Acts 24:15 I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust.