Unethical mRNA Vaccine - Input from a Biochemist.

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You A Trolling MAN! :rolleyes:

God Bless You!
Actually this "biochemist" is the troll...he doesn't have any knowledge that he claims to have. He has no expertise or is even a college student. He has failed to understand even basic concepts of the requirements of a college education that he claims to be involved with...much less the terms and coordination of true scientific publications.

He isn't a doctor or anything else that should be giving medical advice. Probably if we looked we would see a VPN or proxy server for an ip address as likely this troll has been tossed off every other website for similar behavior.
 

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It's amazing how "Christians" are falling for the media BLITZ on Covid vaccine. Will you also accept the Mark?
 
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It's amazing how "Christians" are falling for the media BLITZ on Covid vaccine. Will you also accept the Mark?
I absolutely won't. No foreign genetic material for me. I am good on being nephilimized. lol.
 

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From a quick google search, you can see that 23 people have recently died in Norway from the mRNA vaccine and approximately 55 people in the United States. Typically, if you take a medicine that is harmful, you are entitled to lawsuits to cover damages.
A bit less than 256 million people in the United States have been vaccinated. Over 79 percent of these were mRNA vaccines. So a little over 202 million. And about 55 deaths. So about one in a million die from the vaccination. Typically, it's from an extreme immune reaction, producing anaphylactic shock which will rapidly kill a person if they do not get immediate medical attention.

I operated an AF immunology clinic for about 5 years. In that time, I saw one case of anaphylactic shock from an injection (an allergy shot). It was frightening how quickly this patient was affected. In about 20 min, he felt bad enough to tell me. By the time I had him on the table to take a BP, it was about 50/0, and he told me the room was going dark. A shot of epinephrine reversed the reaction enough to keep him alive while the ER doctor arrived. He continued to go into shock several times that night in ICU, and fortunately had no lasting damage from the experience. But his allergist discontinued the allergy shots.

Given the number of injections given in our clinic, we had about the same odds. One in a million. My rule was every person receiving an injection would stay in the clinic area for at least 30 minutes. That rule saved this guy's life.
 
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For your sake however, you mentioned our RNA changing. Yes, our RNA comes from our DNA. The vaccine is foreign mRNA that our DNA does not encode for. It is a foreign “gene” and makes a protein that is not typically found in our DNA.
It's not a gene. Genes are made of DNA. It's a message from DNA to a ribosome to build a specific amino acid sequence. (Hence the "m" in mRNA). If you visit a sushi bar, you will get a much larger dose of non-human mRNA than you will from the vaccination. Actually, you'll get non-human DNA, too, which you won't get from an mRNA vaccine.
 

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It's not a gene. Genes are made of DNA. It's a message from DNA to a ribosome to build a specific amino acid sequence. (Hence the "m" in mRNA). If you visit a sushi bar, you will get a much larger dose of non-human mRNA than you will from the vaccination. Actually, you'll get non-human DNA, too, which you won't get from an mRNA vaccine.
Let us not defend that nasty thing .
Even before they adminstired it
a few smart ones were warning us of possible LONG term side effects .
Early on even the VA where i attend was doing all to talk me into taking it .
I kindly refused of course .
THEN something quite odd occurred . It was about a year down the road .
I went on my visit and was telling them about a few t hings i was experiencing due to some arthritis .
On that day none tried to convince me to NOW get the shot .
In fact the doctor herself had asked me if i did end up getting it .
I said no .
But i kept wondering to m yself . it was the way she seem so concerned about had i gotten it .
I began to think to m yself . ARE THEY SEEING problems with vaccinated vets .
About six months later I foun d out . THEY ARE . Its producing things that the smarter ones had warned
could potentially come upon those who took it and continue taking the boosters .
These people , these drug lords are in it for the mon ey . THEY DO NOT care about YOU , they dont care about me .
AND THEY shut down any kind of resistance and voice against the shot .
THAT was another red flag , SEEING it was admittedly told to us IT WAS Expermential .
AND NOW LOOK . NOW LOOK .
over the years i have seen increases in cancers , in auto immune disorders
to include dementia and the likes . THEY LIED TO US . whether it was on purpose or not I DO NOT KNOW .
What i do know is THEIR LOVE OF MONEY IS REAL and they dont give a rip or a flip about you or me or anyone .
God has the sheep . Let us trust in him .
 

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a few smart ones were warning us of possible LONG term side effects .
It's been long enough now, that we should be seeing any such long-term effects. I'm not sure what the data are so far.. (Barbarian checks) Turns out, that a very few people can have adverse reactions, including long-term reactions.

It is undisputed that anti-SARS-CoV-2 vaccines can have side effects. Long post-COVID vaccination syndrome (LPCVS) is one of them and is often neglected. It persists 11 months after the third mRNA-1273 (Moderna) vaccine dose has not been reported. Our patient is a 39-year-old male with a largely uneventful previous history who developed severe adverse reactions immediately after the third dose of the mRNA-1273 (Moderna) vaccine. In addition to brief fever, headache, flickering eyes, skin rashes, tiredness, disorientation, dizziness (brain fog), tiredness, impaired thinking and concentration, and emotional disorders occurred as a result.
Finsterer J. A Case Report: Long Post-COVID Vaccination Syndrome During the Eleven Months After the Third Moderna Dose. Cureus. 2022 Dec 12;14(12):e32433. doi: 10.7759/cureus.32433. PMID: 36644105; PMCID: PMC9833629.

Summary of Key Findings

In analyzing the long-term effects of mRNA vaccines, various studies have begun to surface, each contributing to a growing body of knowledge. Early findings suggest that:

  • Immunological Responses: Many individuals exhibit prolonged immune responses, potentially offering continued protection against variants.
  • Adverse Effects: While most side effects are mild and temporary, some rare reactions have emerged, calling for ongoing monitoring.
  • Public Perception: Acceptance of mRNA vaccines varies significantly across regions, often influenced by factors such as education, trust in governmental institutions, and exposure to misinformation.
These findings illuminate the multifaceted implications of mRNA technology, highlighting its potential and the concerns tied to its widespread adoptio

Potential Adverse Effects: What We Know

While the overwhelming majority of reported side effects from mRNA vaccines have been mild and temporary, caution remains warranted. Short-term reactions, like soreness at the injection site, fever, and fatigue, are relatively common. However, ongoing research is focused on understanding any more serious adverse effects that may emerge.

Some notable points regarding potential long-term adverse effects include:

  • Myocarditis and Pericarditis: There have been instances of heart inflammation following vaccination, primarily among younger individuals. The long-term implications of these cases are still under scrutiny.
  • Clotting Disorders: Research is also considering rare incidences of clotting disorders, which have been documented in a small subset of mRNA vaccine recipients.
Despite these concerns, it’s essential to frame them within the context of risk. The benefits of vaccination in terms of preventing severe illness and death significantly outweigh these potential harms for most individuals.

It's worth noting that blood clots are many times more common in people infected by COVID-19, than in people vaccinated with mRNA vaccines.

Study finds risk of serious blood clots up to six months after covid-19


Risk higher for patients with underlying conditions and more severe covid-19


A study from Sweden published by The BMJ today finds an increased risk of deep vein thrombosis (a blood clot in the leg) up to three months after covid-19 infection, pulmonary embolism (a blood clot in the lung) up to six months, and a bleeding event up to two months.


The findings also show a higher risk of events in patients with underlying conditions (comorbidities), patients with more severe covid-19, and during the first pandemic wave compared with the second and third waves.


The researchers say these results support measures to prevent thrombotic events (thromboprophylaxis), especially for high risk patients, and strengthen the importance of vaccination against covid-19.

 

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Let us not defend that nasty thing .
Even before they adminstired it
a few smart ones were warning us of possible LONG term side effects .
Early on even the VA where i attend was doing all to talk me into taking it .
I kindly refused of course .
THEN something quite odd occurred . It was about a year down the road .
I went on my visit and was telling them about a few t hings i was experiencing due to some arthritis .
On that day none tried to convince me to NOW get the shot .
In fact the doctor herself had asked me if i did end up getting it .
I said no .
But i kept wondering to m yself . it was the way she seem so concerned about had i gotten it .
I began to think to m yself . ARE THEY SEEING problems with vaccinated vets .
About six months later I foun d out . THEY ARE . Its producing things that the smarter ones had warned
could potentially come upon those who took it and continue taking the boosters .
These people , these drug lords are in it for the mon ey . THEY DO NOT care about YOU , they dont care about me .
AND THEY shut down any kind of resistance and voice against the shot .
THAT was another red flag , SEEING it was admittedly told to us IT WAS Expermential .
AND NOW LOOK . NOW LOOK .
over the years i have seen increases in cancers , in auto immune disorders
to include dementia and the likes . THEY LIED TO US . whether it was on purpose or not I DO NOT KNOW .
What i do know is THEIR LOVE OF MONEY IS REAL and they dont give a rip or a flip about you or me or anyone .
God has the sheep . Let us trust in him .

That's true.

Covid was one of the biggest scams ever pulled on people. It was backed by the elites, big pharma, governments and the media. They took inhumane actions such as lockdowns, taking licenses away from doctors who opposed the vaccines and coercive tactics such as taking away people's jobs.

Covid was only dangerous for peope who were very old and very sick. There were treatments available so the wide use of experimental injections were not required especially for people who were not old and sick.

They perpetrated big lies like claiming the needles were safe and effective. They were supposed to stop people getting and spreading covid but everyone i know who got the covid needles ended up getting covid anyway.

I saw many healthy people get sick, develop blood clots, get cancer and even die from the experimental covid shots.
On the other hand I didn't see any healthy people die from covid and very few got extremely sick.

I realised the scam every early and my doctors advised me not to take the experimental syringes. It cost me my job but I'm glad I never fell for their trap

In the end our governments borrowed, printed and spent hundreds of trillions of dollars for covid. Much of it went to big pharma for experimental vaccines that were unsafe and ineffective. All that borrowing and printing and spending of money was the direct cause of the world wide inflation that we saw in the years that followed. Making the price of living at least 20% more expensive than what it was while people's wages remained the same.

Big pharma and the elites are all laughing at us
 
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It's been long enough now, that we should be seeing any such long-term effects. I'm not sure what the data are so far.. (Barbarian checks) Turns out, that a very few people can have adverse reactions, including long-term reactions.

It is undisputed that anti-SARS-CoV-2 vaccines can have side effects. Long post-COVID vaccination syndrome (LPCVS) is one of them and is often neglected. It persists 11 months after the third mRNA-1273 (Moderna) vaccine dose has not been reported. Our patient is a 39-year-old male with a largely uneventful previous history who developed severe adverse reactions immediately after the third dose of the mRNA-1273 (Moderna) vaccine. In addition to brief fever, headache, flickering eyes, skin rashes, tiredness, disorientation, dizziness (brain fog), tiredness, impaired thinking and concentration, and emotional disorders occurred as a result.
Finsterer J. A Case Report: Long Post-COVID Vaccination Syndrome During the Eleven Months After the Third Moderna Dose. Cureus. 2022 Dec 12;14(12):e32433. doi: 10.7759/cureus.32433. PMID: 36644105; PMCID: PMC9833629.

Summary of Key Findings

In analyzing the long-term effects of mRNA vaccines, various studies have begun to surface, each contributing to a growing body of knowledge. Early findings suggest that:

  • Immunological Responses: Many individuals exhibit prolonged immune responses, potentially offering continued protection against variants.
  • Adverse Effects: While most side effects are mild and temporary, some rare reactions have emerged, calling for ongoing monitoring.
  • Public Perception: Acceptance of mRNA vaccines varies significantly across regions, often influenced by factors such as education, trust in governmental institutions, and exposure to misinformation.
These findings illuminate the multifaceted implications of mRNA technology, highlighting its potential and the concerns tied to its widespread adoptio

Potential Adverse Effects: What We Know

While the overwhelming majority of reported side effects from mRNA vaccines have been mild and temporary, caution remains warranted. Short-term reactions, like soreness at the injection site, fever, and fatigue, are relatively common. However, ongoing research is focused on understanding any more serious adverse effects that may emerge.

Some notable points regarding potential long-term adverse effects include:


  • Myocarditis and Pericarditis: There have been instances of heart inflammation following vaccination, primarily among younger individuals. The long-term implications of these cases are still under scrutiny.
  • Clotting Disorders: Research is also considering rare incidences of clotting disorders, which have been documented in a small subset of mRNA vaccine recipients.
Despite these concerns, it’s essential to frame them within the context of risk. The benefits of vaccination in terms of preventing severe illness and death significantly outweigh these potential harms for most individuals.

It's worth noting that blood clots are many times more common in people infected by COVID-19, than in people vaccinated with mRNA vaccines.

Study finds risk of serious blood clots up to six months after covid-19


Risk higher for patients with underlying conditions and more severe covid-19


A study from Sweden published by The BMJ today finds an increased risk of deep vein thrombosis (a blood clot in the leg) up to three months after covid-19 infection, pulmonary embolism (a blood clot in the lung) up to six months, and a bleeding event up to two months.


The findings also show a higher risk of events in patients with underlying conditions (comorbidities), patients with more severe covid-19, and during the first pandemic wave compared with the second and third waves.


The researchers say these results support measures to prevent thrombotic events (thromboprophylaxis), especially for high risk patients, and strengthen the importance of vaccination against covid-19.

They are trying to blame covid itself . But both are at play .
Remember how they sold us the idea HEY if you get vaccinated you wont catch it .
I was always around hospitals . Guess what they were catching it being vaccinated just as much as anyone else .
THEN they said OH it wont stop you from getting the covid , BUT if you get it your symptoms wont be as severe .
Again proved false . seeing i noticed they did get sick and many of them had it worse than i did when i caught it .
THEY lied to us . I always test all things .
 
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They are trying to blame covid itself . But both are at play .
Remember how they sold us the idea HEY if you get vaccinated you wont catch it .
Actually, no. Vaccinations are designed to prevent serious illness or death. They aren't advertised to prevent infection, although they do a pretty good job of that, too.

The primary goal of the COVID-19 vaccination program is to prevent severe illness and death. However, monitoring effectiveness of vaccines against infection provided insights into the impact of vaccines against new variants and provided an early signal of waning immunity. Studies monitoring vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infection can be subject to bias due to changes in COVID-19 testing practices, including increased use of at-home testing, or different testing practices among vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. CDC employed multiple study designs and various statistical methods to account for the influence of such factors when measuring vaccine effectiveness.
I was always around hospitals . Guess what they were catching it being vaccinated just as much as anyone else .
They actually keep data about that...
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Actually, no. Vaccinations are designed to prevent serious illness or death. They aren't advertised to prevent infection, although they do a pretty good job of that, too.

The primary goal of the COVID-19 vaccination program is to prevent severe illness and death. However, monitoring effectiveness of vaccines against infection provided insights into the impact of vaccines against new variants and provided an early signal of waning immunity. Studies monitoring vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infection can be subject to bias due to changes in COVID-19 testing practices, including increased use of at-home testing, or different testing practices among vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. CDC employed multiple study designs and various statistical methods to account for the influence of such factors when measuring vaccine effectiveness.

They actually keep data about that...
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Without a doubt i can tell ...........
oh i say without any doubt i can tell
You are and have been heavily influenced by media . beware its liberal progressive views .
And DO NOT go running to trump either . HE AINT THE ANSWER at all .
But i can always tell when one is and has been influenced by the wrong mindset .
How so . THEY always sound v ery very similiar to that agenda . And always
THEY DONT THINK nor test things FOR themselves .
cause if they had they had seen a problem .
WE GOT LIED TOO by MEDIA and ON both sides i might add .
How come when i went about my daily life
and talked to others about such things .
HOW come so many of them experiences DIDNT ADD UP TO MEDIA INDUCED CRAP . that rather
than them not getting sick , THEY DID
and then later they realizing oh dear they all keep getting sick , so hey to keep the shot going ,
LETS scare them all and say IF YOU GET IT your symptoms wont be as severe , you wont die etc .
And all of it was a phrace. YOU DO realize
that the vast majority of anyones sytmptons was NOT that severe and deadly . Now some were of course .
And kinda odd
you had b oth the vaccinated AND unvaccinated DYING FROM IT . oh yes . OH yes even the vacinated
some of them died of covid too .
Now i will explain some thing else to you real soon .
 
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Actually, no. Vaccinations are designed to prevent serious illness or death. They aren't advertised to prevent infection, although they do a pretty good job of that, too.

The primary goal of the COVID-19 vaccination program is to prevent severe illness and death. However, monitoring effectiveness of vaccines against infection provided insights into the impact of vaccines against new variants and provided an early signal of waning immunity. Studies monitoring vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infection can be subject to bias due to changes in COVID-19 testing practices, including increased use of at-home testing, or different testing practices among vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. CDC employed multiple study designs and various statistical methods to account for the influence of such factors when measuring vaccine effectiveness.

They actually keep data about that...
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Vaccines are not as good as you might think . or at least not has helpful in many cases .
I am going to use myself as an example to prove something to you . now watch closely .
I have only had the flue twice in my life . GUESS that ol flu vaccine kept me good and safe .
And many wo uld tell me , HEY buddy you only had IT TWICE in all those fifty plus years
because YOU were vaccinated .
TO which i say , BUT I AINT BEEN VACINATED FOR THE FLU .
To which they would then say , WELL BUDDY if you had been YOU WOULD NOT have got it twice .
SEE the programmed minds at work YET .
And they even admit its not a gurantee that the flue vacciantion WILL KEEP you from getteing it .
but do you see THE PROGRAMMING MINDS yet .
People are ignorant and dumbed down .
IF one gets sick , OH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FAR WORSE if you had not got the shot .
IF one does not get sick . OH ITS CAUSE YOU GOT the shot .
EVEN THOUGH most all of the vaccinated and unvaccinated did at least c atch some bit of covid .
DO YOU SEE THE PROGRAMMED MIND that society has put upon man yet .
They made us REAL DUMB BUD . only this sheep dont buy into they junk anymore .
MRNA , I KNEW not to touch that nasty thing .
Because two things . A it was experimental . B . it did come off the backs of an aborted fetal cell .
C . there were a few WISE doctors warning that the problems had not yet been fixed .
But most folks listened and heeded
D . NOW TRUST THY GOVT , WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU . HEED THE GOD OF MEDIA for it can do no wrong .
DUMBED down generation . I never seen anything like it my friend .
But i still love the peoples and also you dont see me getting into these debates much at all
CAUSE WE GOTS TO BE FOCUSED ON JESUS and preaching that gospel .
But every now again i will come on such a place , WHEN i see a p oor soul b uying too much into govt all mighty and its mess .
 
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Vaccines are not as good as you might think . or at least not has helpful in many cases .
I just go with the actual data. I go with the guys who know how it works. And I spent a lot of graduate work in immunology, so I can go to the literature and check the claims in basic research.
 

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And kinda odd
you had b oth the vaccinated AND unvaccinated DYING FROM IT . oh yes . OH yes even the vacinated
some of them died of covid too .
Yes. A lot of people don't get this. A vaccination is not a guarantee. It just improves your odds. A lot, in the case of
COVID-19:

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If 0.2 percent of vaccinated people die, and there are one million people vaccinated, then you would see 2000 vaccinated people die. But of 200 million of them were vaccinated, then you would see 400,000 vaccinated people die. At the same time, it 200 million people are unvaccinated, and 5 percent of them die, there are 10,000,000 deaths. But when maybe 2 million of them are unvaccinated, you'd see 100,000 of them die. That's why scientists used death rates rather than raw numbers.
 

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Here's an interesting set of data, showing how politics can lead to indoctrination and death. Red state/blue state Covid deaths:
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I don't see a big difference here outside of semantics.
Adding DNA as in genetic engineering, permanently changes your genes. mRNA will not do this, since the "central dogma" of molecular biology shows that the instructions only go one way.
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There exists a risk of reverse transcriptase converting RNA to DNA. There is no evidence that this happens in human bodies, but the process has been forced in labs. Scientists are not concerned, since living every day, we are repeatedly exposed to DNA and mRNA of other organisms, with no ill effects. So you can take the vaccine, and enjoy your rare steak with confidence.
 

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At the end of the day people should be able to choose if they want to take a vaccine or not...

It is totally wrong to be forced or coerced into taking a vaccine by the government, media, big pharma, work places or anyone else. It is wrong to loose your job for not taking a vaccine. There is always the potential for adverse reactions and side effects so it must be a choice.

It is also wrong and unscientific for doctors to loose their licence for having a different opinion on vaccines like they were during the covid years.

Two doctors advised me not to take it. It cost me my job but I'm glad I didn't take it. I know people who got sick, got cancer, got blood clots and even died after taking those covid needles. Yet I know no one who was harmed by covid, it was just a mild flu-like virus, only dangerous to very old and sick people.

I saw more harm come from those syringes than from covid itself
 

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Yet I know no one who was harmed by covid, it was just a mild flu-like virus, only dangerous to very old and sick people.
My daughter's mother-in-law and father-in-law died of it within a few weeks of each other, and her husband was hospitalized with it.

The numbers are compelling:
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The COVID death rate for the unvaccinated was roughly ten times the COVID death rate for vaccinated people. But even then, only about one in 300 Americans died of COVID. So the death risk is very roughly the risk of getting really drunk and driving your car. You'll probably survive.

Long COVID, from those infected who did not die, is another matter:
 

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My daughter's mother-in-law and father-in-law died of it
How old were they?
And were they healthy?
The numbers are compelling
I don't believe government data.
They had/have a huge conflict of intetests.
I believe what I saw with my own eyes which was nothing from covid and much sickness and death done from the needles.

Do you think it was right for governments to force and coerce people into taking those experimental injections?
Or should it have been a personal choice?
 

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How old were they?
Mid 50s
And were they healthy?
Other than some arthritis in the father. He was still working, aircraft repair supervisor.
I don't believe government data.
Doesn't matter. Reality doesn't care what we think of it.
They had/have a huge conflict of intetests.
Yep...

How online influencers profit from spreading anti-vaccine misinformation​

I believe what I saw with my own eyes which was nothing from covid and much sickness and death done from the needles.
And millions of Americans saw the death caused by the virus. About a million of us died from the infection. And now, we know that the COVID death rate for the unvaccinated was about ten times that of the vaccinated.
Do you think it was right for governments to force and coerce people into taking those experimental injections?
The snake oil salesmen when said that they were "experimental." But that doesn't make it so. None of the vaccines available to the public were experimental.

1. Were the vaccines “experimental”? — what EUA means in law and practice
Labeling the vaccines “experimental” is imprecise: the U.S. FDA issued Emergency Use Authorizations for COVID-19 vaccines in December 2020 after review of clinical trial data, a distinct legal status that allows distribution during public-health emergencies when benefits are judged to outweigh known risks, rather than an assertion that products are being tested on unwitting populations [1]. Congressional and policy texts during the pandemic acknowledged that programs like Operation Warp Speed accelerated timelines by running development steps in parallel, but that acceleration was done within regulatory processes that produced EUAs and subsequently full approvals for some vaccines [5]. Saying a vaccine was under EUA is factually correct; asserting that EUA equals unlawful human experimentation is not supported by the legal framework described in the sources provided

The fact that the vaccines were highly effective, with fewer adverse effects than most vaccines, verified the Operation Warp Speed testing process.

Or should it have been a personal choice?
Should be a personal choice. And it was. But such a choice should not put others at a greater risk. If you don't want to be vaccinated, others should not be endangered by your choice. That's a matter of choice, too.