Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

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[Lizbeth]

Though i am sure you do not do as they do ,
That ol saying to LET GOD and LET GOD . WAS USED AGAINST the v ery pattern left us in said bible
which had worked to our good .
They may as well have said LET GO OF THE BIBLE and let this other god and emotions lead you . cause that is exactly
what they did .
same with the WE GOTTA TAKE GOD OUTTA the box , dont put GOD into a box . THEY DID THE SAME THING .
it was used for , HEY lets remove the image of the GOD in said bible and recreate one in our own image .
cause again that is exactly what they did .

I haven't seen it used that way personally, that I can remember, brother. It usually means to be at rest in the Lord so that He can work. Otherwise we are trying to do things in the flesh. When we are at rest and submitted to to God, He will take over in the situation, according to His will and wisdom. His strength is perfected in our weakness. Like when the Lord told Moses to be still and know that He is God, and He parted the sea....He did what flesh could not....He made a way where there was none.

Taking God out of the box, I think I have seen it meant in a wrong way........but it is true that we do need to take Him out of the confined box of our carnal thinking/mind. He is after all, able to do more than we can think or imagine, so it's quite biblical. And His ways are not our ways. I have found that He generally doesn't do things the way I thought and imagined. Experiencing Him this way teaches us and helps us die to our own thoughts and imaginations...so that we learn to give Him free reign to do as He wills, not what we think. We so often get in His way and block Him from working otherwise.

 

[Lizbeth]

I aint the one sitting under ecumencism of anti christ . b ut believe me when i say
both sides of the political realm sure are . and have long preached it in different ways to their peoples .
its not me sitting in ecumeincalism of anti christ in them sold out churches either .
THEY TOO are leading every last one , who does sit in and join hands with them , RIGHT TO THE LIE
and to the day of the days of all out wailing wherein screams of terror and wailing will be heard
ONLY THEN ITS TOO LATE . THE DOOR GONNA CLOSE
and its gonna close in a day and an hour known to NO MAN . WHEN IT DO , ALL OUTSIDE gonna wail .
SO when i say get everyone OUT of anything that is even in any way connected too ecumeincalism , YA better HEED IT NOW .

Amen.....nothing new under the sun......it goes back a very long way, as you know. Babel and Babylon. It is the way of the world, and governments/politics/rulers are of the world......as well as it is of churches that are or have become worldly. Man trying to establish his own righteousness (which is really rebellion) instead of submitting to the righteousness of God. The way that seemeth right to man, but leads to what the wrong Tree in the Garden led to......it "seemeth" right because it is a deception and delusion......which God said HE would send to those who received not a love of the truth.

 

[Lizbeth]

Sister....regarding the gold statue....Yes. And Who was it that gave Nebby his position and power? So we must also learn from Daniel what our reaction and demeanour should be to all of this.

 

[Jack]

Genesis 15:16 states this: -

Genesis 15:16: - 16 But in the fourth generation/age they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete."

Does this verse indicate any activity by God in the 1948 return of some of Abraham's descendants to the Land of Canaan? The answer is a resounding "NO."



What was God's message to the nation of Israel in Lev:26: -

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Lev 26:1-27:1: - Promise of Blessing and Retribution ​

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26:1 'You shall not make idols for yourselves; neither a carved image nor a sacred pillar shall you rear up for yourselves; nor shall you set up an engraved stone in your land, to bow down to it; for I am the Lord your God. 2 You shall keep My Sabbaths and reverence My sanctuary: I am the Lord.​

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3 'If you walk in My statutes and keep My commandments, and perform them, 4 then I will give you rain in its season, the land shall yield its produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. 5 Your threshing shall last till the time of vintage, and the vintage shall last till the time of sowing; you shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely. 6 I will give peace in the land, and you shall lie down, and none will make you afraid; I will rid the land of evil beasts, and the sword will not go through your land. 7 You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. 8 Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you.​

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9 'For I will look on you favourably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. 10 You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the new. 11 I will set My tabernacle among you, and My soul shall not abhor you. 12 I will walk among you and be your God, and you shall be My people. 13 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that you should not be their slaves; I have broken the bands of your yoke and made you walk upright.​

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14 'But if you do not obey Me, and do not observe all these commandments, 15 and if you despise My statutes, or if your soul abhors My judgments, so that you do not perform all My commandments, but break My covenant, 16 I also will do this to you: I will even appoint terror over you, wasting disease and fever which shall consume the eyes and cause sorrow of heart. And you shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. 17 I will set My face against you, and you shall be defeated by your enemies. Those who hate you shall reign over you, and you shall flee when no one pursues you.​

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18 'And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. 19 I will break the pride of your power; I will make your heavens like iron and your earth like bronze. 20 And your strength shall be spent in vain; for your land shall not yield its produce, nor shall the trees of the land yield their fruit.​

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21 'Then, if you walk contrary to Me, and are not willing to obey Me, I will bring on you seven times more plagues, according to your sins. 22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, destroy your livestock, and make you few in number; and your highways shall be desolate.​

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23 'And if by these things you are not reformed by Me, but walk contrary to Me, 24 then I also will walk contrary to you, and I will punish you yet seven times for your sins. 25 And I will bring a sword against you that will execute the vengeance of the covenant; when you are gathered together within your cities I will send pestilence among you; and you shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy. 26 When I have cut off your supply of bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall bring back your bread by weight, and you shall eat and not be satisfied.​

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27 'And after all this, if you do not obey Me, but walk contrary to Me, 28 then I also will walk contrary to you in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. 29 You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters. 30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars, and cast your carcasses on the lifeless forms of your idols; and My soul shall abhor you. 31 I will lay your cities waste and bring your sanctuaries to desolation, and I will not smell the fragrance of your sweet aromas. 32 I will bring the land to desolation, and your enemies who dwell in it shall be astonished at it. 33 I will scatter you among the nations and draw out a sword after you; your land shall be desolate and your cities waste. 34 Then the land shall enjoy its sabbaths as long as it lies desolate and you are in your enemies' land; then the land shall rest and enjoy its sabbaths. 35 As long as it lies desolate it shall rest — for the time it did not rest on your sabbaths when you dwelt in it.​

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36 'And as for those of you who are left, I will send faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; the sound of a shaken leaf shall cause them to flee; they shall flee as though fleeing from a sword, and they shall fall when no one pursues. 37 They shall stumble over one another, as it were before a sword, when no one pursues; and you shall have no power to stand before your enemies. 38 You shall perish among the nations, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up. 39 And those of you who are left shall waste away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; also in their fathers' iniquities, which are with them, they shall waste away.​

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40 'But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me, 41 and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt — 42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land. 43 The land also shall be left empty by them, and will enjoy its sabbaths while it lies desolate without them; they will accept their guilt, because they despised My judgments and because their soul abhorred My statutes. 44 Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, nor shall I abhor them, to utterly destroy them and break My covenant with them; for I am the Lord their God. 45 But for their sake I will remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God: I am the Lord.'"​

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46 These are the statutes and judgments and laws which the Lord made between Himself and the children of Israel on Mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.​

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Perhaps you have been looking for your understanding from the wrong part of the scriptures.

Shalom​

Nice smoke screen. Let's try again. No, I don't expect a straight answer.

Do you think Israel should let their enemies slaughter them as they have been trying for decades?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

They don't have the right to call the USA into war with Iran on false pretenses.

They didn't.

Iran working to build a bomb and working to build long range missiles to be able to nuke the US is what drew us in to this current war and rightfully so as the US has the right to defend itself before Iran has the ability to nuke us.

Iran has been saying for decades that they are going to destroy the US and has been working towards that goal every since.

The world learn when dealing with Hitler that when crazy people claim they are going to destroy other nations and then start working to obtain the capability to do so, we need to act BEFORE they get such capability

The slow ones among us want to wait until Iran nuke the first US city and then go do something about it. That's what the demons that control them leads them to believe as they continue rooting for Iran.

 

[amigo de christo]

I haven't seen it used that way personally, that I can remember, brother. It usually means to be at rest in the Lord so that He can work. Otherwise we are trying to do things in the flesh. When we are at rest and submitted to to God, He will take over in the situation, according to His will and wisdom. His strength is perfected in our weakness. Like when the Lord told Moses to be still and know that He is God, and He parted the sea....He did what flesh could not....He made a way where there was none.

Taking God out of the box, I think I have seen it meant in a wrong way........but it is true that we do need to take Him out of the confined box of our carnal thinking/mind. He is after all, able to do more than we can think or imagine, so it's quite biblical. And His ways are not our ways. I have found that He generally doesn't do things the way I thought and imagined. Experiencing Him this way teaches us and helps us die to our own thoughts and imaginations...so that we learn to give Him free reign to do as He wills, not what we think. We so often get in His way and block Him from working otherwise.

That is the way THEY USED it . not the way we do sister . but it was a snare .
I have seen it often used that way . Maybe you have not . its okay sister if you have not seen it used like that .
SO long as you dont use it that way . AND YOU NEVER HAVE SISTER . so no worries .
There is something else i want to tell you so i will do so in another post .

 

[amigo de christo]

Sister....regarding the gold statue....Yes. And Who was it that gave Nebby his position and power? So we must also learn from Daniel what our reaction and demeanour should be to all of this.

I am gonna show us something real simple . You already know this . but go ahead and watch .
What do those of the ecumiencal peace plan beleive .
THEY beleive that God loves israel and thus to save israel this is his peace plan by which to do so .
Kinda odd .
NOW WHY WOULD GOD to SAVE ISRAEL , DENY BELEIF IN THE SON WHO ALWAYS WAS T OBE THE SAVOIR OF ISRAEL .
did you catch that .
JESUS is THE SAVOIR of ISRAEL . now not all of israel is of ISRAEL . BUT JESUS HIMSELF IS THE SAVOIR OF ISRAEL
and thus the only way a man can have PEACE WITH GOD .
now watch their version .
OH , ALL RELIGOINS SERVE THE SAME GOD , HEY WE JUST NEED TO COME TOGETHER FOR PEACE .
NOW , didnt JESUS say HE DID NOT come to bring peace on earth .
BUT SOMEONE ELSE SURE DOES . and we know him as ANTI CHRIST
SO WHOSE PEACE PLAN do we really THINK this is of and is leading THEM ALL TOO . well it aint GOD
it aint of JESUS , cause HECK THE PLAN DENIES THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HIM and SELLS A LIE
that all religions serve the same GOD .
SO WHO YA THINK its leading THIS ENTIRE WORLD as one RIGHT TOO , WHO THEY BELIEVE TO BE GOD
A hint . IT AINT GOD . ITS another one . see how simple that is to expose that ecmuenical lie of anti christ .

 

[amigo de christo]

Sister....regarding the gold statue....Yes. And Who was it that gave Nebby his position and power? So we must also learn from Daniel what our reaction and demeanour should be to all of this.

now for the reason as to why they beleive this plan to be of GOD .
and again YOU already know this . but go ahead and entertian this anway .
THEY WHO ARE OF THE WORLD , will hear the world , their hopes are in the earthern .
And why do the sheep KNOW better .
cause our hope be not in men , is not of or in the w orld , and our kingdom is not earthen but HEAVENLY .
And now a word .
CURSED IS THE MAN WHOSE HOPE was in man . GOD ALWAYS KNEW .
BUT BLESSED BE THE MAN WHOSE HOPE BE IN GOD . SHEEP hear and KNOW the TRUTH .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen.....nothing new under the sun......it goes back a very long way, as you know. Babel and Babylon. It is the way of the world, and governments/politics/rulers are of the world......as well as it is of churches that are or have become worldly. Man trying to establish his own righteousness (which is really rebellion) instead of submitting to the righteousness of God. The way that seemeth right to man, but leads to what the wrong Tree in the Garden led to......it "seemeth" right because it is a deception and delusion......which God said HE would send to those who received not a love of the truth.

there is always a way which seems so right to the carnal mind and those of the world are of the carnal mind .
And when the love of truth be rejected , ITS WOE unto them and they will BELIEVE A LIE and will be damned .
I have always kept things very simple . YOU KNOW i dont go deep into meats and etc .
AND YET i appear as a ten headed dragon to ev en many christains now . THEY DONT EVEN believe
BASIC TRUTH anymore . its ONLY now a ecumeincal beetles sytle ALL YA NEED IS LOVE song .
AND THAT LOVE IS OF THE WORLD they sing and dance too , but they BELIEVE IT TO BE OF GOD .
Talk about a delusion sister .

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I am gonna show us something real simple

Yeah, so tell us about the solution to the ecumenical movement.

You have talked about the problem, tell us about the solution now.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yeah, so tell us about the solution to the ecumenical movement.

You have talked about the problem, tell us about the solution now.

i been telling it to you . but you have not heard it .
The solution to the ecumeincal movement is , IT BE OF ANTI CHRIST and GET OUT of it now .
THEN of course i would show them where the ecumeincal leaders of interreligious dialgoue
SOLD the religoins and christendom a big ol fat anti christ lie for all to see .
Exposing the harlot is easy . what is difficult is persuading men to hear . however i already know
i cannot cause THEM to hear . But i can warn them . SO I DO . he who forbears will weep on the day of the LORD .
And while my soul weeps for them , I already said I CANNOT wave a wand and make one beleive .
BUT HERE is what i can do .
EXIT . shake the dust off . FOR They preach another gospel which is NO GOSPEL
and wont be invited to my house for dinner nor will i bid them god speed either . ALL who do so are parakters of their evil deeds .
N O, i shall expose that harlot and her doctrine and point ONLY TO JESUS and the bible and all biblical d octrine .
Saying also whatever HE leads me to say . Now i suggest we all go and do likewise .
Nose diving into that bible again my friend . And never looking back .

 

[Dan Clarkston]

i been telling it to you . but you have not heard it .

In order to provide the solution for the ecumenical movement, one must teach the true Gospel according to scripture.

When you say "and GET OUT of it now" speaking of getting out of the ecumenical movement, specifically how does one do that?

Just telling people "the ecumenical movement is false doctrine" without providing a clear call to action of what they should do is not being very helpful to the ones you are trying to help.

You are trying to help people, right?

 

[TLHKAJ]

Sister....regarding the gold statue....Yes. And Who was it that gave Nebby his position and power? So we must also learn from Daniel what our reaction and demeanour should be to all of this.

I'll follow God's lead. Trump is Trump ...Nebby was Nebby. God is allowing all of this because of the will of the people. When it comes to evil, I won't endorse it. I obey the laws of the land as best I can, unless and until it requires a choice between man and God. That's the example I see played out.

 

[amigo de christo]

I haven't seen it used that way personally, that I can remember, brother. It usually means to be at rest in the Lord so that He can work. Otherwise we are trying to do things in the flesh. When we are at rest and submitted to to God, He will take over in the situation, according to His will and wisdom. His strength is perfected in our weakness. Like when the Lord told Moses to be still and know that He is God, and He parted the sea....He did what flesh could not....He made a way where there was none.

Taking God out of the box, I think I have seen it meant in a wrong way........but it is true that we do need to take Him out of the confined box of our carnal thinking/mind. He is after all, able to do more than we can think or imagine, so it's quite biblical. And His ways are not our ways. I have found that He generally doesn't do things the way I thought and imagined. Experiencing Him this way teaches us and helps us die to our own thoughts and imaginations...so that we learn to give Him free reign to do as He wills, not what we think. We so often get in His way and block Him from working otherwise.

The Lord is our hope and our salvation . Onward in the Lord dear sister . Onward in the Lord we go .

 

[Jay Ross]

Nice smoke screen. Let's try again. No, I don't expect a straight answer.

Do you think Israel should let their enemies slaughter them as they have been trying for decades?

What was the smoke screen? Your lack of understanding about what I had posted is the smoke screen.

Notice that in Genesis 15:16 God had prophesised the 1948 return of some of Abraham's descendants to the Land of Canaan during the fourth age of their existence in their own strength.

Daniel 11 also foretold of the Nation of Israel being slaughtered big time during WW2.

Even the "church" both the RCC and the Reformation churches both deliberately searched for Israelites and persecuted and killed them back before the Mayflower. The Israelites sailed west to the land called America to escape the antiemetic atrocities against them on the European continent back in the 14th century. Even though they had escaped from Europe, the Israelites in the New World still suffered atrocities against them from the others who had also fled from the persecutions that were rife during that time.

What was Israel's sin that persisted over the first four ages of the existence of Israel from the time of Isaac's birth? The entered into Idolatrous worship on every high hill in the land where they lived and would not repent of their idolatrous worship.

In Leviticus and Deuteronomy God foretold what would happen to the nation of Israel if they turned away from God and His statutes.

Your question, "Do you think Israel should let their enemies slaughter them as they have been trying for decades?"

In the Book of Judges, when the tribes of Israel turned away from God, he would allow the nations around them to oppress them until they turned back to Him. God during the time of the book of Judges raised up judges to lead Israel back to God while also rising up against their oppressors. God did not need Israel to field large armies every time to overcome their oppression but rather required Israel to repent of their sin and to turn back to God first. The raised armies were often small and did win their battles but only if they followed what God told them to do.

Remember God gave the nation of Israel 490 years to repent and stop their idolatrous worship before Christ was born. When they did not repent and they would not stop their idolatrous worship, God cause all of the nation of Israel to be scattered throughout the whole earth during the third and the fourth ages of their existence.

Yes they should be allowed to defend themselves but not in their own strength as they are doing at this present time, but rather they can defend themselves hand in hand with God's help by following His direction.

God has emphatically stated that after the end of the fourth age of their existence that He would begin gathering the nation of Israel back to Himself and that He would judge the kings of the earth and the heavenly wicked rebelling hosts, i.e. the beasts, and imprison them in a pit/cistern for many days to await the time of their punishment. This period of peace that Israel will enjoy after they repent and turn back to God will last for 1,000 years after the Armageddon time of judgement around the year 2045 AD.

Jack you are encouraging Israel to act in their own strength, without God's help, rather than encouraging them to repent of their continual idolatrous worship, at this point in time.

Even "Christians" need to repent of their sin and to rely on God for His protection of their "Soul."

 

[Jack]

What was the smoke screen? Your lack of understanding about what I had posted is the smoke screen.

Notice that in Genesis 15:16 God had prophesised the 1948 return of some of Abraham's descendants to the Land of Canaan during the fourth age of their existence in their own strength.

Daniel 11 also foretold of the Nation of Israel being slaughtered big time during WW2.

Even the "church" both the RCC and the Reformation churches both deliberately searched for Israelites and persecuted and killed them back before the Mayflower. The Israelites sailed west to the land called America to escape the antiemetic atrocities against them on the European continent back in the 14th century. Even though they had escaped from Europe, the Israelites in the New World still suffered atrocities against them from the others who had also fled from the persecutions that were rife during that time.

What was Israel's sin that persisted over the first four ages of the existence of Israel from the time of Isaac's birth? The entered into Idolatrous worship on every high hill in the land where they lived and would not repent of their idolatrous worship.

In Leviticus and Deuteronomy God foretold what would happen to the nation of Israel if they turned away from God and His statutes.

Your question, "Do you think Israel should let their enemies slaughter them as they have been trying for decades?"

In the Book of Judges, when the tribes of Israel turned away from God, he would allow the nations around them to oppress them until they turned back to Him. God during the time of the book of Judges raised up judges to lead Israel back to God while also rising up against their oppressors. God did not need Israel to field large armies every time to overcome their oppression but rather required Israel to repent of their sin and to turn back to God first. The raised armies were often small and did win their battles but only if they followed what God told them to do.

Remember God gave the nation of Israel 490 years to repent and stop their idolatrous worship before Christ was born. When they did not repent and they would not stop their idolatrous worship, God cause all of the nation of Israel to be scattered throughout the whole earth during the third and the fourth ages of their existence.

Yes they should be allowed to defend themselves but not in their own strength as they are doing at this present time, but rather they can defend themselves hand in hand with God's help by following His direction.

God has emphatically stated that after the end of the fourth age of their existence that He would begin gathering the nation of Israel back to Himself and that He would judge the kings of the earth and the heavenly wicked rebelling hosts, i.e. the beasts, and imprison them in a pit/cistern for many days to await the time of their punishment. This period of peace that Israel will enjoy after they repent and turn back to God will last for 1,000 years after the Armageddon time of judgement around the year 2045 AD.

Jack you are encouraging Israel to act in their own strength, without God's help, rather than encouraging them to repent of their continual idolatrous worship, at this point in time.

Even "Christians" need to repent of their sin and to rely on God for His protection of their "Soul."

Israel is Home to STAY!

Amos 9:14-15
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

 

[Jay Ross]

Israel is Home to STAY!

Amos 9:14-15
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

Jack get yourself a good interlinear. The Hebrew word translated in the above verse comes for the Hebrew Root word H:0127 which has the meaning of reddish soil. Sadly, the translators have wrongly translated the Hebrew word "’aḏ·mā·ṯām" by using the English word, "land."



This has led to the wrong understanding that God initially intends that the nation of Israel will be returned to the Land of Canaan whereas God's first encounter with Jacob indicates that Jacob's descendants will be scattered into the four corners of the earth which when found in Amos 9:15 presents a very different picture when we see that God's intent was to plant them in His fertile field as Jesus foretold in the parable of the Sower.


People are smart enough to understand God's words and will search out the right understanding independently to what we may believe.

Goodbye Jack. This conversing between us is finished.

 

[amigo de christo]

Should we as christains support that which is of anti christ . SO let none support the interreglioius interfaith dialgoue.
IT has preached darkness to the religoins and the nations .
And it will not preach the TRUE SAVOIR OF ISRAEL , WHICH IS JESUS CHRIST and that by faith in HIM they , like we shall be saved .
no sirs and no mams , it preaches the anti christ peace as being the savoir of israel who by means of peace will destroy this world .
Let all who name the name of JESUS depart from its t alks of peace . Let us preach JESUS to the jew and to the gentile .

 

[amigo de christo]

I'll follow God's lead. Trump is Trump ...Nebby was Nebby. God is allowing all of this because of the will of the people. When it comes to evil, I won't endorse it. I obey the laws of the land as best I can, unless and until it requires a choice between man and God. That's the example I see played out.

Should we as christains support that which is of anti christ . SO let none support the interreglioius interfaith dialgoue.
IT has preached darkness to the religoins and the nations .
And it will not preach the TRUE SAVOIR OF ISRAEL , WHICH IS JESUS CHRIST and that by faith in HIM they , like we shall be saved .
no sirs and no mams , it preaches the anti christ peace as being the savoir of israel who by means of peace will destroy this world .
Let all who name the name of JESUS depart from its t alks of peace . Let us preach JESUS to the jew and to the gentile