Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

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Lizbeth

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You are going around correcting all the false "christian" doctrine too such as reformed theology, OSAS, and catholicism too?

And as the Lord continues to bless Israel increasing their strength and power in these last days which is ultimately a tactical trap to get satan to attack them so the Lord can have opportunity to brings things to a head resulting in Jesus returning to Israel bringing forth satan's final defeat and incarceration of him and all his cohorts... will you continue to speak out against the Jews?

The Lord is taking note concerning who is against what He is doing in the end times and those who cannot recognize His hand moving. Are you sure you want to continue being against the Jews??? Following man made carnal childish fables and fairy tales ends badly so choose wisely.
Wow, you've got it badly haven't you. I'm not against the Jews, at all, and I've given you absolutely no reason at all for thinking so. I wish the Jewish people well...and above all that they would know their true Messiah. Worked in a kosher Jewish health care facility for a number of years and feel I got to know them quite well. And I understand the longing of Paul saying he could wish himself accursed for the sake of his people.

I believe Israel is going to increase as well........but like so much that has to do with the world, it will be for "good" in one way, but not so good in another. The good & evil of this fallen world....like the tree in the Garden.
 
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Yessir, I got my popcorn ready and I'm preparing to laugh at the devil each time the Lord slaps the devil's people down as they seek to destroy Israel.

A lot of "christians" need to get a clue and understand that Jesus is a Jew!
Yes, He was.........salvation is of the Jews..........but haven't you also read that now we know Him after the flesh no longer....? And now we know no man after the flesh any longer? Some of you folks don't know the word of God and are devoid of understanding.
 
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Wow, you've got it badly haven't you.

If desiring the will of the Lord to be done in the earth is what you call "having it badly" then yes.


I believe Israel is going to increase as well........but like so much that has to do with the world, it will be for "good" in one way, but not so good in another.

Yes and when the Lord is the One bringing things to pass things are only bad for those who stand in opposition to the Lord.



but haven't you also read that now we know Him after the flesh no longer....? And now we know no man after the flesh any longer? Some of you folks don't know the word of God and are devoid of understanding.

Off in the ditch again I see...

This does not mean the Lord is done with the Jews according to the flesh.

He most definitely is not as we will see in the not to distant future so stay tuned..
 

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And yet God did not say in His Word to treat those we are trying to win to the Lord as enemies.
How did Jesus treat the Jewish leadership? (Matt 23:13-15, 33) Was he even sent to them?

When a Phoe·niʹcian woman cried out to Jesus for help, he said...
“I was not sent to anyone except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matt 15:24)

When he sent the 12 out to preach, to whom did he send them?....
“These 12 Jesus sent out, giving them these instructions: “Do not go off into the road of the nations, and do not enter any Sa·marʹi·tan city; 6  but instead, go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7  As you go, preach, saying: ‘The Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.” (Matt 10:5-7)

Who were these “lost sheep”?
They were the ones neglected by Israel’s religious leaders....those whom Jesus described as “skinned and tossed about like sheep without a shepherd”. These were the ones hungry for the spiritual care and attention that Jesus came to give them....he was “the Fine Shepherd” that they needed....and they were drawn to him.
That's what many so called "christians" are doing these days is treating the Jews like enemies and are pushing them away from the Lord rather than trying to win them to the Lord.
The real Christians are out there inviting them to come to Christ, just as their first century brothers and sisters did...they didn’t wait for them to wander into a church, but actively sought them out. (Acts 5:42; 20:20)
That was “the ministry of the reconciliation”.....going out to them in person to give them a wonderful hope for the future, showing them how Christ’s sacrifice gives everyone that opportunity.
2 Corinthians 5:18-20
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
And that is what Christ commanded, not only for the Jews but for all, in every nation. (Acts 10:34-35)
God’s promise to Abraham was that “all the nations would be blessed” because of the Savior coming into the world, through his descendants. (Gen 22:17-18) It wasn’t just about the Jews.
Just so the people who claim to be Christians know, the "ministry of reconciliation" involves sharing the message of the gospel and encouraging others to be reconciled to God. This is a call to evangelism and discipleship, as seen in the Great Commission (Matthew 28:19-20).
So who are participating in this “great commission”, taking the message of the Kingdom to all who will listen? (Matt 24:14)
When was the last time the churches of Christendom sent their members out to find the lost sheep in their own neighbourhoods? How many of them even know what God’s Kingdom is, and what it will accomplish for the redeemed ones on earth? (Dan 2:44) How many will keep finding excuses not to do that?
It was a command...not just a recommendation. (Matt 28:19-20) It is a responsibility.
A lot of "christians" need to get a clue and understand that Jesus is a Jew!
No sorry, Jesus the man was born into the Jewish nation in order to fulfill prophesy, but the man of flesh was executed, and was raised in spirit form in order to return to his God and Father in heaven. (1 Pet 3:18)

Jesus, like all who receive a heavenly resurrection, forfeited nationality. (Gal 3:28) Nationality no longer matters, so “Israel” is not a “nationality” to God anymore....it is a title of belonging to God as one chosen for the privilege of becoming a “king and priest” with Christ in heaven.....ruling over people from all nations. (Rev 20:6) These are “the Israel of God”. (Gal 6:16)

God’s “people” are all who come to Christ from all nations....those who have done what Isaiah foretold for this “final part of the days”....

“He will render judgment among the nations
And set matters straight respecting many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
And their spears into pruning shears.
Nation will not lift up sword against nation,

Nor will they learn war anymore.” (Isa 2:4)

And as Peter says....
“The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness. . . . But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.” (2 Peter 3:9-13)

The Lord is taking note concerning who is against what He is doing in the end times and those who cannot recognize His hand moving. Are you sure you want to continue being against the Jews??? Following man made carnal childish fables and fairy tales ends badly so choose wisely.
Are you sure you want to support a nation that is incurring bloodshed in an era when God said they should be turning their weapons of war into instruments of tillage?
You can identify God’s people today, because they are at peace with all.....they are hated, (John 15:18-21) but not because they have carnal enemies.....but because their enemies are spiritual requiring strong spiritual armour.

Eph 6:11-12...
“Put on the complete suit of armor from God so that you may be able to stand firm against the crafty acts of the Devil; 12  because we have a struggle, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places.”

Do you see the source of our warfare? It is spiritual, not carnal. Who is behind the “governments and authorities”....”the world rulers of this darkness”....”the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places”?
Who are we supporting? No kingdom of this world. (John 17:16; 18:36)
Yeah, lots of folks cherry pickin the scriptures these days.

But the Lord warned of such in the end times so this shouldn't surprise real Christians.
Will the “real Christians” please raise their hands?
 
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Are you sure you want to support a nation that is incurring bloodshed in an era when God said they should be turning their weapons of war into instruments of tillage?
Yeah you'll have to wait until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign.

Sadly the JWs won't be in attendance for that, but the ones that repented of following that false religion will be though!

There's still hope for old girls like you!
 

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And yet - Nobody will be moving the Jews out of Israel.

All attempts to do so will fail as the Lord will cause those trying to destroy Israel to fail.

Hide and watch
 

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Yeah you'll have to wait until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign.
Jesus is already here and has been ruling over his disciples for over 100 years, doing what he said he would.....overseeing the preaching work that he commanded his disciples to do.....what did he say?....

“Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. Then Jesus came near and said to them, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. . . .Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” (Matt 28:18-20 HCSB)

He wasn’t going to leave his faithful ones to the “wolves” he said were coming....or to be lost among the “weeds” he said the devil would plant. He was going to be “with them always to the end of the age”. Since he also foretold that the preaching work he assigned to them was to continue until “the end”, it is clear that he was not just assigning that task to his apostles.....it was an assignment for all who were taught by them after his death....right to the end, which is the times in which we are now living.....so now more than ever was this work to be done....to alert people to what is happening to the world, why it is happening, and where it will all end.
Sadly the JWs won't be in attendance for that, but the ones that repented of following that false religion will be though!
Be careful how you judge, because it isn’t the majority who will be saved... (Matt 7:13-14).....it is a hated minority out there in the world doing what Jesus told them to do in every nation on earth......not distracted by the goings on in the devil’s world, and not getting involved in things that are none of our business.....Jesus is ready to take care of that business, with his own angelic forces...he needs no help from us.
There's still hope for old girls like you!
There is hope for everyone who can still breathe...old or young....”the end” will come, and a door of opportunity will be closed, just as surely as God closed the door of the ark.....only he determined when the rain would fall.....God alone determines who will be saved, as he reads hearts, not just talk and actions.
We can fool ourselves, but not him. (John 6:44; 65)

You are arguing with Scripture...not me. Please address the Scriptures given to you....
 
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Jesus is already here

Matthew 24:23
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

No wonder the JWs don't know Truth.


Be careful how you judge

I don't sit under false doctrines which is why I'm not a JW.


You are arguing with Scripture...not me.

JWs speak with twisted scriptures
 

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Matthew 24:23
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

No wonder the JWs don't know Truth.
Jesus himself gave us the signs (Matt 24:3-14)....if we were not to observe the sign of his “presence” (not of his “coming”) how else could we know when he had arrived, since his return was “in the same manner “ as he left. The world at large was unaware that it even took place....only his apostles witnessed it.

When he was to return, those signs would also align with the prophesies in Daniel....they bring us to 1914 when the whole world was drawn into a war that no one expected......it was the first war of its kind in human history....unprecedented in scale and in casualties.
The Spanish Flu epidemic soon followed taking more lives than the war did....we have been experiencing these signs all through these last days.....fulfilling Rev 12:7-12.

The devil and his hordes know that their time is running out...they will take the majority of mankind down with them. (Matt 7:13-14; 21-23)
I don't sit under false doctrines which is why I'm not a JW.
You seem to have no idea how many false doctrines there are that are accepted as gospel truth by Christendom....I assure you, none of them originated from any of Christ’s teachings.
But it apparently won’t be me who reveals these things to you....that is your choice, but it’s interesting that empty replies are all you can furnish. Weak protests hardly support your case.

JWs speak with twisted scriptures
That just makes me smile, as you have no idea how twisted you own version of Scripture really is..

Jesus will enlighten us all very soon....won’t it be interesting to see who is still standing at the end of the day..?
 
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When he was to return, those signs would also align with the prophesies in Daniel....

And yet, Jesus STILL has not returned to earth.


But it apparently won’t be me who reveals these things to you....

JWs don't have the ability to reveal anything other than watchtower heresy.


That just makes me smile

Yep it makes the old devil smile as well as he also is involved in spreading heresy

The devil and the JWs have this in common.
 

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And yet, Jesus STILL has not returned to earth.
He is here, doing what he said he would…..”separating the sheep from the goats“ and overseeing the work he gave his disciples to do. (Matt 28:19-20) That is what this “time of the end” is for. Jesus has already evicted satan and his demons from heaven, down to the earth where they are now confined (Rev 12:7-12)….and he is directing his disciples through a “faithful slave” who was appointed for these “end times” to give spiritual “food” to Christ’s entire household in the world. (Matt 24:45) Christianity is a global religion and this “slave” is feeding all of them…one truth…”one Lord, one faith, one baptism”. Does that describe the divided mess that is Christendom? (1 Cor 1:10)

When he manifests as Judge, it will be with his executional forces, to dispense with the goats and give the sheep rest and security in a new earth, now rid of all who disobey the Christ as King.
JWs don't have the ability to reveal anything other than watchtower heresy.
This is old….what do you think the Jews did to Jesus? They thought he was a heretic too….but who were the real heretics? The finger they pointed at Jesus and his disciples, had three pointed back at them…..

Since you cannot address a single Scripture presented to you, empty criticism is a weak argument…in fact, it is no argument at all. Where is your defence?
Yep it makes the old devil smile as well as he also is involved in spreading heresy
I know….I was a slave in Christendom myself once….I saw the truth in the Bible, but never found it it church theology….that is where the real heresy is…..a multitude of “churches” all claiming Christ as their “Lord”, but none of them can agree on what he taught. Jesus will address those ones very soon….(Matt 7:21-23)
They are in for a shock…..one they do not see coming. (1 Cor 10:12)
The devil and the JWs have this in common.
Be careful that you are not speaking the same kind of lies that the devil has promoted for centuries.
You show that you cannot address a single Bible truth presented to you.
If the Bible is “the sword of the spirit”…..draw your sword. Let’s hear some solid biblical arguments.

Instead of empty accusations, which demonstrates a sad lack of knowledge, give us the Scriptural answers that genuine debaters expect. Many of the readers here are truth seekers…..give them something in God’s word to lead them to the truth…..are you capable of doing that? How much do you really know outside of your own church theology?
 
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Improve ties with Israel to defend Britain, former RAF chief tells Starmer​

UK needs Israel to plug gaps in air and missile defense and counter-drone technologies, says Air Vice-Marshal Philip Lester

April 12, 2026
The UK must restore relations with Israel to help address gaps in Britain’s air defense capabilities, a former RAF chief has warned.

Air Vice-Marshal Philip Lester said there were “notable gaps” in the UK’s air defenses that could be exploited by hostile states seeking to strike the British mainland.

He described Israel as a “valuable partner” in strengthening national security and urged the prime minister to show a “willingness to learn” from the Jewish state.

The intervention from the former senior RAF figure comes amid mounting concerns over the state of Britain’s Armed Forces.

Britain is facing greater threats, highlighted by an Iranian missile strike on RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus last month.

At the same time, relations between the UK and Israel have deteriorated to a historic low. Sir Keir Starmer has not spoken to his Israeli counterpart since the UK recognized Palestinian statehood. The government has also suspended some arms export licenses to Israel, while the IDF has been barred from the Royal College of Defense Studies.

Lester, who previously held a senior position at the college, made his remarks in a foreword to a new report by Labour Friends of Israel on strengthening UK air defenses.

He wrote: “The UK faces a clear and pressing challenge. While it retains world-class capabilities in many areas, there are notable gaps in IAMD [integrated air and missile defense] , counter-drone technologies and the rapid fielding of innovative systems.

“Yet in recent years, this relationship has not always been leveraged to its full potential, particularly in the defence and security sphere. Re-energising the UK–Israel defence dialogue is therefore essential.”

His comments were echoed by the leader of the opposition, who argued that Labour must repair its “damaged” relationship with Israel in the interest of national security.

Kemi Badenoch said Britain needed to re-arm for a “21st-century war,” and Israel could act as an example in defending against missiles.


So the only reason Britain is interested in a relationship with Israel is to cover it's own inefficiencies.
If I was Israel .....

When has Britain come to Israels aid against Hamas?

A comprehensive investigation exposes the United Kingdom as one of the top foreign sources of funding for Hamas, the terrorist organization that orchestrated the brutal October 7 massacre in Israel. According to detailed UK government and UN documents analyzed by NGO Monitor and Israeli media, over 25 percent of Hamas’s global funding comes from Britain, including tens of millions of dollars channeled through humanitarian aid programs in Gaza.

Since Hamas took control of Gaza in 2007, it has systematically diverted international aid to finance its military infrastructure, pay salaries, and consolidate power. The report reveals that UK taxpayer funds, administered via the Foreign Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO), have been funneled into UN programs, most notably UNICEF’s cash assistance initiative in Gaza, which cooperates with the Hamas-controlled Ministry of Social Development (MoSD).

This cash assistance program provides monthly payments of $200-$300 to over half a million Gazans. However, the beneficiary lists used to distribute these funds are supplied by Hamas officials, effectively giving the terrorist group control over aid distribution. UK government documents acknowledge awareness of Hamas’s involvement and the “severe” reputational risks, but continue to fund the program despite these concerns.

I suppose it depends on what Kind of Support we're talking about.

Rom 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Rom 11:30
For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31
Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

I support the people not the country.
The country is being used as a political advantage for some while allowing them to be attacked at the same time.
And funding both ends of the candle.

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God BLESS that little blue spot!
LOL....What makes you think that God is interested only in that tiny “blue spot” any more that he is interested in the whole world which He gave to the devil to rule, and who could give authority to whomever he pleased? (Luke 4:5-7)

It is mankind who will benefit from the coming Kingdom of God, and he has his Kingdom ruling from heaven, not any geographical location on earth.....and those who will rule with Christ in heaven are not all from Natural Israel....only the very first Christians formed the foretold “remnant” that would be saved.....you are backing the wrong Israel......but it appears as if Jesus will have to issue that memo.....you guys will not listen to anyone else. Only then will you realise that the devil has you chasing a red herring.....it will cost you dearly unless you take your fingers out of your ears.
 

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They have publicly announced that they think
that they have the right to own large parts of Arab land.
Parts of Egypt, Jordan, Libanon etc.etc.
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So, NayborBear, you posted wrong information.
 
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LOL....What makes you think that God is interested only in that tiny “blue spot” any more that he is interested in the whole world which He gave to the devil to rule, and who could give authority to whomever he pleased? (Luke 4:5-7)

It is mankind who will benefit from the coming Kingdom of God, and he has his Kingdom ruling from heaven, not any geographical location on earth.....and those who will rule with Christ in heaven are not all from Natural Israel....only the very first Christians formed the foretold “remnant” that would be saved.....you are backing the wrong Israel......but it appears as if Jesus will have to issue that memo.....you guys will not listen to anyone else. Only then will you realise that the devil has you chasing a red herring.....it will cost you dearly unless you take your fingers out of your ears.
:jest::Laughingoutloud::jest::Laughingoutloud:
 
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1 Cor 10:12…..read it…he who laughs last…ya know?
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
To this?
You are clueless!
No Brag!

Just FACT!