Who, can Not Sin and Why?

[Jack]

Christ (in me) on display, which is via the Spirit...and "will not be forgiven."

Referring to OSASers?

 

[ScottA]

Referring to OSASers?

Pay attention. I was speaking to you about you, for you are the one who has blasphemed the Spirit via Christ in me.

 

[Taken]

Disobedience to God in all forms.A person knows when they are sinning if they are true believers

Sin? Unbelief.

 

[Jack]

Pay attention. I was speaking to you about you, for you are the one who has blasphemed the Spirit via Christ in me.

Quote me!

 

[Taken]

Hmm does it.

1 John 1:8-10

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

Claiming to have no sin…
Claiming to have not committed sin…

Is not the same person who …
confesses his sin, Confesses belief and thereafter is forgiven his sin.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

what does this cryptic reply mean?
We who have hope in Christ walk in His spirit. We don't walk according to the world. but WE CAN still sin when we take our eyes off of Him.
You sound a bot like a gnostic here..

Committed … forgiven, soul saved, spirit quickened, IN Christ and Baptized with the Indwelling Holy Spirit…

Those with “hope” are UN-committed… typically believers.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Who claims to have never sinned?

Romans 3:23

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Yes all have sinned… but that does not mean all believe in God, or believe they have sinned, or are sinners.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[ScottA]

Quote me!

No.

 

[Nancy]

Committed … forgiven, soul saved, spirit quickened, IN Christ and Baptized with the Indwelling Holy Spirit…

Those with “hope” are UN-committed… typically believers.

Glory to God,
Taken

"Those with “hope” are UN-committed… typically believers."

How can that be when we have:

1 Timothy 1:1
"1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;"


1 Peter 1:3
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead"


Colossians 1:27
"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:"



Romans 15:13
"Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost."

Best one of all:

Titus 2:13
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"

Without Christ, we would be without hope!

It's not the worldly kind of hope but a confident hope, a joyful expectancy of His return! Not the wishy washy wringing of fingers in an uncertain truth but of a CERTAIN one.

Those without hope are the ones WITHOUT Christ it seems.

 

[Lambano]

I would think a Christian would not purposely lie, steal, cheat, fornicate, have other gods before Him etc. BUT..."if" they do...we have an advocate. So it seems that a Christian can sin. In the OT there were God given sacrifices even for un-intentional sin- accidentally or ignorantly.

In my experience, when Christians lie, steal, cheat, fornicate, and commit idolatry, it was intentional and premeditated. If they say, "I don't know how I ended up in bed with that woman; it just happened", I'm not buying it.

 

[Lambano]

1John 2 1b
"... And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."

I notice "we have" is in the first-person plural. John includes himself.

 

[Lambano]

Since I come from a Methodist background....

John Wesley himself controversially taught the attainability of what he called "entire sanctification" - but he never claimed to have attained it himself. I suppose if you're boasting about it, you haven't attained it.*





* Pride being a sin

 

[Jack]

No.

Well that's self explanatory! Your accusation is FALSE! You made up a very SERIOUS accusation! It's a good thing you CANNOT sin.

 

[rockytopva]

1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. - Matthew 18

I do believe an age of accountability is somewhere around the ages of 7 and 12, depending on the child. The loss of a sense of innocency from evil brings on a conscience of sin.

 

[Lambano]

My soul IS saved, my spirit IS quickened…(according to Gods Order, Way,)…my relationship with God is Fixed, constant, eternal. (according to Gods Order and Way). So, there are Few and Specific Passages that Apply to me… and loads of Scripture that DO NOT Apply to me.

My understanding of the term "spirit-quickened" is that it is synonymous with what the theologians call "spiritual regeneration". From what the theology books (mostly Reformed; regeneration is a critical concept in the Reformed ordo salutis) say about regeneration....

1. Regeneration is entirely the gracious work of God; there's nothing Man can do to make it happen. The wind blows where it wants; you hear its sound, but you don't know where it comes from or where it's going.
2. Regeneration inclines the human will to DESIRE the things of God, in contrast to the natural depraved state of Man. In the Reformed understanding, that "quickening of the spirit" is a prerequisite for receiving saving faith.
3. Regeneration does NOT make the desires of the flesh go away. The regenerated human Will must still resist them.

 

[Jack]

I don't know of any English Bible that says "quickened" besides the KJV.

Thee, thine, thou, doest, pisseth, lol

 

[OneGospel]

Naturally, that wouldn't align with the typical behavior expected from someone who identifies as a Christian. However, it's entirely possible for a believer to succumb to serious sins, much like Paul had to address at the church in Corinth. Ultimately, though, the expected result is that they will repent of their actions if they truly have the Holy Spirit within them.

What does Paul teach is required for a sinner to have the Holy Spirit within them and once they do what does Paul teach a sinner must do to no longer have the Holy Spirit within them ?

 

[Jack]

Paul confessed for all the world to witness, he was a sinner!

Romans 7:15-24
15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. ...
17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
24 O wretched man that I am!

And yet Satan has convinced some gullible humans they CANNOT sin.

 

[Lambano]

Naturally, that wouldn't align with the typical behavior expected from someone who identifies as a Christian.

Agreed, and this is why I think 1 John 3:9 (as part of the larger context of 1 John 3:1-10) is a polemical appeal to his target audience's shared identity as "Children of God", rather than a statement of ontological fact. Recognizing the literary genre (polemic, in this case) is another hermeneutical tool in the toolbox for understanding scripture.

But, I could be wrong (believe it or not).

 

[OneGospel]

Paul confessed for all the world to witness, he was a sinner!

Romans 7:15-24
15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. ...
17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
24 O wretched man that I am!

And yet Satan has convinced some gullible humans they CANNOT sin.

We all sin in some way yet fortunately for us Heaven entry is not performance based, eternal rewards to some degree yes, Heaven entry no.