Who, can Not Sin and Why?

[Lambano]

I am intrigued by the testimony of those who claim to have "walked in the Spirit" for an extended (though finite) period of time. As described, this appears to be an altered state of consciousness in which one is totally in tune with the Holy Spirit and has no desire to satisfy the longings of the flesh. But, whenever someone claims to have done it, the usual suspects come out of the woodwork to jump all over them, feet first, with metal-spiked golf shoes. Let's not do that, though let's be discerning also.

Intriguing - but if this is entirely a gracious work of God, there is nothing we can do but petition God for it and continue to soldier on with whatever we've been given.

 

[Lambano]

Romans 7:15-24
15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. ...
17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
24 O wretched man that I am!

There's some controversy among theologians as to whether Paul in Romans 7 is testifying to his experience as a Torah-observant Jew prior to his Damascus Road experience, his experience as a Christian after his conversion, or speaking in character as a Gentile Christian convert being forced to take on Torah observance.

 

[Lambano]

Paul confessed for all the world to witness, he was a sinner!

What's more fun is 2 Corinthians chapters 10, 11, and 12, where Paul puts his pride out there for all to see.

And then he blames the Corinthians for making him do it.

 

[Jack]

What's more fun is 2 Corinthians chapters 10, 11, and 12, where Paul puts his pride out there for all to see.

And then he blames the Corinthians for making him do it.

That's a very interesting verse. Paul was a very honest dude!

 

[Taken]

@Nancy
@LoveYeshua
@Lambano
@Rye
@ScottA

From my perspective…
All Scripture IS True.
All Scripture Does Not Apply to All individuals.
Words “in context” matter.
And:
Millions of individuals, during their own natural mortal life-span, hearing, learning, picking, trying out, deciding, choosing, changing, rejecting, unsure, hoping, considering, neutral, no interest, curious, accepting, denying, believing, committing…
( is the gambit ).

An individual…can, does, react to knowledge,
In such MANNERS;
(Mindfully / Logically),
(Emotionally / instinctively),
(Heartfully / Spiritually),

For every individual…Scriptural Content…(knowledge)
Is going to be “Received” unto THEM…
As their OWN MANNERS (mind, emotion, spirit) dictate.

Teaching to a “crowd”…in my opinion is a daunting task…(including All, which receives the teaching according to different manners).

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Continued:

Words

A Believer…can…
Be temporary, Be sure, Be Today, Be Not tomorrow, etc.

With…/ Without can
Be temporary, … similar to Believer…^

Hope… similar…^

Christian…similar…^

Point…

In Spiritual Context…(Heartful / spirit)

Sure, Assured, Committed, Vowed, Promised, Attested, Converted, Quick, Quickened, Reborn, Saved, Restored,
with-IN…
Are a “PERMANENT condition” / “position”…OF
BELIEF that CAN NOT EVER waver, falter, change…

WHY?
BECAUSE…
THE Power… with, in, (24-7…awake, asleep, any where, any place) is NOT a mans power, a governments, a parent, teacher, celebrity, jailer, capture, demon, bully… power.

RATHER…THAT (keeping) POWER IS THE POWER ABOVE “ALL” POWERS…

Men, can hope for that power… and men can be temporarily “with” that power…

However, God Himself has Offered All of mankind, Gods Gift of His Power IN them…
To Any man, Freely Willing, to Reach out and TAKE His Gift.

Some Do, Some Do Not.

1 John 4
4: Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

God Bless.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

@Taken

Could you kindly explain how a saved person can live in sin without facing chastisement when Scripture clearly refutes that idea?

Could you quote me, making that claim, that you want me to explain it?

 

[Jack]

@Taken

Could you kindly explain how a saved person can live in sin without facing chastisement when Scripture clearly refutes that idea?

Hebrews 12:8
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

You just totally shot down "cannot sin"!

 

[Nancy]

@Nancy
@LoveYeshua
@Lambano
@Rye
@ScottA

From my perspective…
All Scripture IS True.
All Scripture Does Not Apply to All individuals.
Words “in context” matter.
And:
Millions of individuals, during their own natural mortal life-span, hearing, learning, picking, trying out, deciding, choosing, changing, rejecting, unsure, hoping, considering, neutral, no interest, curious, accepting, denying, believing, committing…
( is the gambit ).

An individual…can, does, react to knowledge,
In such MANNERS;
(Mindfully / Logically),
(Emotionally / instinctively),
(Heartfully / Spiritually),

For every individual…Scriptural Content…(knowledge)
Is going to be “Received” unto THEM…
As their OWN MANNERS (mind, emotion, spirit) dictate.

Teaching to a “crowd”…in my opinion is a daunting task…(including All, which receives the teaching according to different manners).

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"All Scripture IS True. <--- Yes
All Scripture Does Not Apply to All individuals. <--- Yes
Words “in context” matter." <--- Always.

And:

"Millions of individuals, during their own natural mortal life-span, hearing, learning, picking, trying out, deciding, choosing, changing, rejecting, unsure, hoping, considering, neutral, no interest, curious, accepting, denying, believing, committing…
( is the gambit )." <--- We all do these things, I don't get what you are trying to say here.

An individual…can, does, react to knowledge,
In such MANNERS;
(Mindfully / Logically),
(Emotionally / instinctively),
(Heartfully / Spiritually),
True


For every individual…Scriptural Content…(knowledge)
Is going to be “Received” unto THEM… <--- "Received unto" Don't quite get this.
As their OWN MANNERS (mind, emotion, spirit) dictate. <--- Not quite understanding this.

Teaching to a “crowd”…in my opinion is a daunting task…(including All, which receives the teaching according to different manners). <--- True

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[Taken]

And:

"Millions of individuals, during their own natural mortal life-span, hearing, learning, picking, trying out, deciding, choosing, changing, rejecting, unsure, hoping, considering, neutral, no interest, curious, accepting, denying, believing, committing…
( is the gambit )." <--- We all do these things, I don't get what you are trying to say here.

Yes, we all at some point do these things…
And…we get, reaction, criticism, FROM others…
And…if, when… our own “Manner”… changes,
Others… as well, can / do input… with criticisms, agreement, rejection, threats, etc.

Considering the “Parties” involved…
Family, friends, acquaintances, strangers, politicos, famed persons… the “push back” can be brutal…
Divisions… within family…hurtful, anguish
Divisions… kids…bully, taunting
Divisions.. strangers…awkward, funny
Divisions… politico…life threatening, cutthroat
Divisions…Spiritually…mysterious, frustrating

Daily, individuals (rich/poor, powerful /powerless, black/white, young/old, popular/unknown, handsome/homely…sharp/feeble …ETC,
Are All faced with the same things …
Without one considering (or knowing) the others perspectives/struggles.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

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For every individual…Scriptural Content…(knowledge)
Is going to be “Received” unto THEM… <--- "Received unto" Don't quite get this.
As their OWN MANNERS (mind, emotion, spirit) dictate. <--- Not quite understanding this.

People “Receiving” the SAME Knowledge/Information…
Do Not ALL trust to Believe or Reject that knowledge/information Based on “the Same Reasoning.”

Example…
Jesus Spoke to Crowds, “The ONE SAME WORDS” / message, knowledge/ information.

Some in the crowd…received His Words…
As A Story, interesting, but Not True.
Reason… He spoke in Parables.
Reason… A Parable IS a Fable story to make a point.

Some in the crowd hung on His Every Word Being TRUE, regardless of what His Delivery Manner was called (ie. parable)
Why?
Because Jesus was “introduced” being … TRUTH. Their perspective was… Truth can NOT LIE, Nor Speak what is NOT TRUE, regardless of what his “manner of speech is called”.

Point…
Jesus taught one same message to all…and let “them” divide “themselves”…
* Stay… Trust, Believe
* Walk Away… not believe.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[ScottA]

@everyone. Pay attention--your own life...by your own measure--is in your hands:

This subject and issue, like so many, is only looked at [by us] as it is--because we look at it through the lens of Time.

God does not.

Every argument then--is to question God--not men or sinners. Is the matter in His hands, or mans? Those who consider that one born of the spirit of God--a completely new creation where old things have passed away--treat this matter as if nothing new has even occurred in them. You sheep and goats! This is a complete denial of the promise of God for salvation--a complete lack of understanding--and faith.

The misconception by those who go down the rabbit hole of thinking that the new creation of any person is still subject to sin--with accusations of having "a license to sin"--simply do not understand or see things as God sees, but have judged HIM, as they see--by what they see, rather than what is unseen. Who among us has seen a new spirit commit a sin? Have you understood nothing of what was taught of "all who are born of the spirit?"

The problem--like so many--is not "rightly dividing the word of truth." Have you not read and learned or understood Paul's teaching of "For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?" --There is no actual "communion" between the old man and the new man! And you who offend these little ones--these new born babes--you have seen nothing, but have falsely accused...God.

 

[Jack]

Hebrews 12:8
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

So, are "cannot sin" believers "bastards" or sinners? Has to be one of those!

 

[Taken]

Hebrews 12:8
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

So, are "cannot sin" believers "bastards" or sinners? Has to be one of those!

A sinner, as ARE All.
Some are Actively Committing SIN.
Some are Not.

ALL have their due time of Chastisement.
So what?
Correction is a benefit.

 

[ScottA]

Hebrews 12:8
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

So, are "cannot sin" believers "bastards" or sinners? Has to be one of those!

Why do you judge the new babe born of God, by the old man whose father was the devil?

Surely, you have no understanding that the two are not one and the same.

 

[Jack]

Has to be one or the other, sinner or "bastard". I'll take sinner.

Hebrews 12:8
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

 

[ScottA]

Has to be one or the other, sinner or "bastard". I'll take sinner.

Hebrews 12:8
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

That does not answer why you judge the new babe born of God, by the old man whose father was the devil when they are not one and the same.

Repeating your supposition like a broken record only proves your needle is stuck.

 

[Jack]

That does not answer why you judge the new babe born of God, by the old man whose father was the devil when they are not one and the same.

Why does quoting God upset you?

Repeating your supposition like a broken record only proves your needle is stuck.

"Bastard or sinner, the choice is ours. I choose sinner.

 

[Behold]

It does not mean believers are incapable of committing any act of sin, but rather they cannot live in a consistent, habitual, or deliberate state of sin due to their new spiritual nature.

Actually, a Born again Christian can commit the exact same "works of the flesh" they committed before they were saved.
The difference it a "2 part" situation.

1..) Lets say that you decided to become DEMAS.........who was a born again NT Christian, who was in the Ministry, and you decided as Demas did, that you want to go back "into the world".....because you love some things in it......as He did.
Now, is your salvation forfeited and lost, because of that stupid carnal choice?
Of course not.... as Didnt God understand what you were going to do LATER in life ( on the Day of your Salvation) and YET He saved you anyway....However, it can be that your life will painfully end sooner then you planned, as Paul teaches that if you continue in sin "you shall DIE" and he's not talking to unbelievers. He's talking to the CHURCH that Paul FIRST defined as "the body of Christ".

2.).) Everyone who is born again, has some issues with their wrong desires...and most have fallen short of MORAL perfection in this area.
= Real Christains know exactly what i mean, and fake christians will pretend that im not talking to you.

However, God's AMAZING GRACE Salvation has created for the born again a place of eternal existence that is """where sin abounds, GRACE more abounds"""., because """"you are "not under the Law but under Grace"""".
And that means that the payment for the world's sin that has been completed by Jesus on The Cross is infinitely more abundant in forgiveness then any sin can ever overcome, once God's Blood Atonment has been applied to your sin, and to you.

Christianity 101, is.......to understand that God's Salvation has eternally placed the saved sinner, positionally and spiritually, withn the KOG, and there is no "Moses Law" or 10 Commandments found there.
Now, This is hard to grasp for a novice "forum" Christian, whose entire understanding of salvation is generally so very flawed and so very SELF righteous. So being that is their case, then when they are told the truth, all they can do is try to fight it with some type of self righteousness "OSAS" argument that proves that they have no idea what Jesus has ALREADY COMPLETED on The Cross for them 2000 yrs ago.

 

[ScottA]

Why does quoting God upset you?

"Bastard or sinner, the choice is ours. I choose sinner.

Quoting God does not upset me in the least--calling a newborn babe born of God a "sinner", does. Which you can take from me as a warning and correction--or hear it from Him with fire. This is that fire.