Is it ok for parents to use corporal punishment to discipline their children?

[OneGospel]

I'm not saying that corporal punishment is wrong, unless the parent uses excessive force and causes major injury. It's up to the parent

I'm just saying that it achieves nothing that non-violent punishments already acheive.

That's why you can't answer my question. So I ask again. Does it acheive anything more than non-violent punishments?

Had a 2yo son that used to be a handful on multi hour country drives then one day I pulled over and gave his bare legs a few firm stinging spanks, he was never a problem thereafter.

 

[Armour of God]

When little Johnny or Jane are chucking a supermarket tantrum/screaming session because they didn't get the choccy they demanded I would suggest the other means of punishment are NOT WORKING so should be set aside & replaced by a public bare leg smacking, they then quickly learn about risk/reward.

I'm not saying corporal punishment by parents is wrong. If other means of punishment have been exhausted and are not working then a good old fashioned spanking or a pull of the ear is required. I can't stand seeing those kids throw a tantrum at the supermarket. My sister and I would have never dared to do that for we knew what would of happened.

I just think that one should at least try other forms of punishments first before resorting to physical punishments.

 

[Armour of God]

Had a 2yo son that used to be a handful on multi hour country drives then one day I pulled over and gave his bare legs a few firm stinging spanks, he was never a problem thereafter.

Yea but the same result could of been achieved by locking him in his room for a while or taking away his favourite toys for a while. There is no harm in at least trying non-violent punishments first

 

[OneGospel]

Yea but the same result could of been achieved by locking him in his room for a while or taking away his favourite toys for a while. There is no harm in at least trying non-violent punishments first

Do a 5 hour country drive with a 2yo being a brat midway while suggesting to him that he will be locked in his room for a while with no toys once he returns home or pull over and teach him about risk/reward :)

 

[dad]

You cherry pick scripture to support your thoughts but ignore the ones that oppose them.

No I look at what it says. There is nothing that opposes them, just people grasping at straws to try and find excuses not to agree with God

I'm not saying that corporal punishment is wrong, unless the parent uses excessive force and causes major injury. It's up to the parent

It is settled. It is right. He that spares the rod hates the child. Do you think it is wrong of God to chastise His children? Do you think He uses excessive force?

I'm just saying that it achieves nothing that non-violent punishments already acheive.

Says who? You think God made a mistake and did not know that? Or do you think He knows all that and that still He says it is needed.

That's why you can't answer my question. So I ask again. Does it acheive anything more than non-violent punishments?

Yes. It throws the fear of God into them. It gives some real guidelines and demonstrates the seriousness of sin. There are of course chastening measures we can take that do not involve the rod. Both have their place. You can't replace the rod with standing in a corner with a dunce cap wasting time and learning to hate the teacher. I remember visiting a daycare center where they could not meet in a room, because all the rooms had kids shut up in them having 'time outs or whatever gross foolishness and abuse that they called it. Sometimes it is better to get it over with and have the lesson learned without dwelling on it all day. Some children, all it takes is a cross word or look and they get the message. Others need a little more sometimes. All must be done in love.

 

[dad]

Yea but the same result could of been achieved by locking him in his room for a while or taking away his favourite toys for a while. There is no harm in at least trying non-violent punishments first

? Locking the kid in a room!? How insane.

 

[OneGospel]

? Locking the kid in a room!? How insane.

Mine found their boundaries early in life, they rarely needed to re-experience what comes after the 2nd no.

 

[Armour of God]

Yes. It throws the fear of God into them. It gives some real guidelines and demonstrates the seriousness of sin

That can also be done without resorting to corporal punishment.

There are of course chastening measures we can take that do not involve the rod. Both have their place

That's what I'm saying. We can at least try non-violent punishments first before resorting to spanking the child

Some children, all it takes is a cross word or look and they get the message. Others need a little more sometimes. All must be done in love

I agree. Different kids are going to respond to different punishments.

? Locking the kid in a room!? How insane

What's so insane about that?
Heaps of parents do it.
I'd rather try that than going straight to the rod.
Society does it to criminals and most of them learn their lesson.
Lock them up for a while, no TV, toys or any entertainment. That will make them think about their actions. If their old enough make them write "I will not do blah blah blah again" 500 times.

 

[Armour of God]

Do a 5 hour country drive with a 2yo being a brat midway while suggesting to him that he will be locked in his room for a while with no toys once he returns home or pull over and teach him about risk/reward :)

You gave two great examples. The kid in the supermarket and the kid in the car. This is what I would do.

First I would get their attention and use stern words "you better settle down and behave or else I'm going to punish you when we get home" These stern words may be all that's needed for some kids

If they continue then I'd tell them "that's it, we're going back home right now and I'm punishing you for not behaving". Enforce the punishment and make them promise not to do it again.

The next time if they do it again then I would use stern words and remind them of what happened last time. If they continue then i would give them a spanking, maybe give them the old fashion ear pull like my parents used to do with us.

 

[OneGospel]

You gave two great examples. The kid in the supermarket and the kid in the car. This is what I would do.

First I would get their attention and use stern words "you better settle down and behave or else I'm going to punish you when we get home" These stern words may be all that's needed for some kids

If they continue then I'd tell them "that's it, we're going back home right now and I'm punishing you for not behaving". Enforce the punishment and make them promise not to do it again.

The next time if they do it again then I would use stern words and remind them of what happened last time. If they continue then i would give them a spanking, maybe give them the old fashion ear pull like my parents used to do with us.

Yes, always provide an opportunity to avoid re-experiencing a previously undesirable experience

 

[dad]

Mine found their boundaries early in life, they rarely needed to re-experience what comes after the 2nd no.

Exactly. Yet some people take a little more teaching than others

 

[dad]

That can also be done without resorting to corporal punishment.

So God was not too bright in clearly saying it was needed and a requirement of loving parents, got it.

That's what I'm saying. We can at least try non-violent punishments first before resorting to spanking the child



I agree. Different kids are going to respond to different punishments.

That depends on the crime. If clear warnings were given and a child crosses that line, the the search for clever lock the kid in a room to get them out of out hair should not proceed

What's so insane about that?

Well, what seems better, a little tap to correct a bad thing that could be dangerous to the child or harmful, or boring lectures and jail time in a locked room? Some people drag things out when it could be long over and forgotten and all move on to loving and fun things. If I were a child and some adult tried to lock me in a room, or droned on with new age style sickening lectures, I would lose respect to say the least. Forever.

Heaps of parents do it.

No doubt. Heaps also molly coddle so called gender confusion and etc as well. So?

I'd rather try that than going straight to the rod.

I would rather do what God says and focus on loving chastening that teaches something real and have some respect. (rather than teach a child that the silly bible was passe and wrong and how I am so much more clever than God etc.

Society does it to criminals and most of them learn their lesson.

Children are not criminals and parents are not society.

Lock them up for a while, no TV, toys or any entertainment.

Food and water? Restraints? Mind torture and such?

That will make them think about their actions.

It will make them think about YOUR actions actually. And throw up (so to speak)

If their old enough make them write "I will not do blah blah blah again" 500 times.

A real good use of a day. Better to simply do what you said would happen if they did something pretty bad and get it over with almost instantly and lovingly forgive and more on. Not torture them for extended periods and nag and prove yourself to be weird.

 

[Armour of God]

Some people are just hostile, they love to argue. Even after I've agreed with them they continue with their bickering and antagonising.

 

[dad]

Some people are just hostile, they love to argue. Even after I've agreed with them they continue with their bickering and antagonising.

So if we assume God had it wrong we are not bickering, if not, we are. Got it.

Proverbs 25:26
Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.

 

[ScottA]

It is a parents job to be that first brick wall--to say no and mean it, not for harm, but for love and protection. Because the next brick wall is not going to come from someone who loves them, whether it's someone bigger than them, a Police Officer, a Judge, or just life. Life lessons would be incomplete without actual consequences, some of which may be physical. Life in this world is like that. Some lessons are hard.

 

[Armour of God]

So if we assume God had it wrong we are not bickering, if not, we are. Got it.

Proverbs 25:26
Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.

I agreed with you already on this topic.
Yet here you are continuing to be hostile and antagonistic

 

[dad]

I agreed with you already on this topic.
Yet here you are continuing to be hostile and antagonistic

I thought you said something like how there is not actually any need for the rod? If so, I find that to be counter to the bible. Hostile to Scripture and God.

 

[Wrangler]

That can also be done without resorting to corporal punishment.

The Bible does not say to hold corporeal punishment in reserve, only to be used as a last resort.

 

[Wrangler]

Violence is the very fruit of sin.

Yes. Now that we live in a faLen world, there is the righteous use of violence. God didn’t eject Adam and Eve through persuasion but force.

 

[Wrangler]

My question to you was
What does spanking them actually achieve that other forms of punishment don't?

I answered this already; immediacy of painful consequences.