Rockerduck
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There in no difference between any pagan nation and that are very against Christianity
JESUS DIED ONLY FOR THE NATION ISRAEL
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But if he were a Levite, he wouldn't be both a Jew, and a Levite. He would be just Levite.
Separation of Myth and State protects everyone. Laws can be for religious laws, but not for religions.
Wick Stick
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Incorrect.
Say a man was a Levite from the city of Hebron, then he would also be a Jew, because Hebron is a city of the House of Judah.
Rockerduck
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Rockerduck
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You either accept Christ as Savior or not. The body of Christ is Gods people, period.
Wick Stick
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You're conflating priests with Levites. The priests are only Aaron's descendants. Levites include all descendants of Levi, not just the priests.
All priests are Levites. Not all Levites are priests.
Wick Stick
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I'm right. Hebron is a Levitical city. The Levites hold the land rights there.
Hebron is also the original capital of Judah. A Levite of Hebron is also a Jew.
Rockerduck
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Wick Stick
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Wick Stick
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Yep.
1Chronicles 6:54 Now these [are] their dwelling places throughout their castles in their coasts, of the sons of Aaron, of the families of the Kohathites: for theirs was the lot. 55 And they gave them Hebron in the land of Judah, and the suburbs thereof round about it.
Yep.
2Samuel 2:1 And it came to pass after this, that David enquired of the LORD, saying, Shall I go up into any of the cities of Judah? And the LORD said unto him, Go up. And David said, Whither shall I go up? And he said, Unto Hebron. 2 So David went up thither, and his two wives also, Ahinoam the Jezreelitess, and Abigail Nabal's wife the Carmelite. 4 And the men of Judah came, and there they anointed David king over the house of Judah. 11 And the time that David was king in Hebron over the house of Judah was seven years and six months.
After the division of the kingdom many from the northern went to the southern, so when the northern went to captivity, there were still some of the various tribes in the southern. And after a while, Jew simply meant all of them.
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Papa Smurf
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That's true. Of course, the opposite is just as true (as others have already pointed out here). Here's a short, well-written article that discusses them both. Enjoy :)
What is more important, the death of Christ or His resurrection?
The death and resurrection of Christ are equally important. Jesus’ death and resurrection accomplish separate but necessarily related things. The death and resurrection of our Lord are really inseparable, like the warp and weft of cloth.
The cross of Christ won for us the victory that we could never have won for ourselves. “Having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross” (Colossians 2:15). On the cross God piled our sins on Jesus, and He bore the punishment due us (Isaiah 53:4–8). In His death, Jesus took upon Himself the curse introduced by Adam (see Galatians 3:13).
With the death of Christ, our sins became powerless to rule over us (Romans 6). By His death, Jesus destroyed the works of the devil (John 12:31; Hebrews 2:14; 1 John 3:8), condemned Satan (John 16:11), and crushed the head of the serpent (Genesis 3:15).
Without the sacrificial death of Christ, we would still be in our sins, unforgiven, unredeemed, and unsaved. The cross of Christ is vital to our salvation and was thus a main theme of the apostles’ preaching (Acts 2:23, 36; 1 Corinthians 1:23; 2:2; Galatians 6:14).
But the story of Jesus Christ did not end with His death. The resurrection of Christ is also foundational to the gospel message. Our salvation stands or falls based on the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ, as Paul makes clear in 1 Corinthians 15:12–19. If Christ is not physically risen from the dead, then we ourselves have no hope of resurrection, the apostles’ preaching was in vain, and believers are all to be pitied. Without the resurrection, we are still sitting “in darkness and in the shadow of death” waiting for the sunrise (Luke 1:78–79).
Because of Jesus’ resurrection, His promise holds true for us: “Because I live, you also will live” (John 14:19). Our great enemy, death, will be defeated (1 Corinthians 15:26, 54–55). Jesus’ resurrection is also important because it is through that event that God declares us righteous: Jesus “was raised to life for our justification” (Romans 4:25). The gift of the Holy Spirit was sent from the resurrected and ascended Lord Jesus (John 16:7).
At least three times in His earthly ministry, Jesus predicted that He would die and rise again after three days (Mark 8:31; 9:31; 10:34). If Jesus Christ had not been raised from the dead, He would have failed in His prophecies—He would have been yet another false prophet to be ignored. As it is, however, we have a living Lord, faithful to His Word. The angel at Jesus’ empty tomb was able to point to fulfilled prophecy: “He is not here; he has risen, just as he said” (Matthew 28:6).
Scripture links the death and resurrection of Christ, and we must maintain that link. Jesus’ entrance into the tomb is as equally important as His exit from the tomb. In 1 Corinthians 15:3–5, Paul defines the gospel as the dual truth that Jesus died for our sins (proved by His burial) and that He rose again the third day (proved by His appearances to many witnesses). This gospel truth is “of first importance” (verse 3).
It is impossible to separate the death of Christ from His resurrection. To believe in one without the other is to believe in a false gospel that cannot save. In order for Jesus to have truly arisen from the dead, He must have truly died. And in order for His death to have a true meaning for us, He must have a true resurrection. We cannot have one without the other. ~What is more important, the death of Christ or His resurrection? | GotQuestions.org
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Papa Smurf
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Hello again MonoBiblical, I meant to ask you about this earlier, what you meant by "He [Jesus] wanted to cause our sins", that is. So, what do you mean
Thanks!
God bless you!!
--Papa Smurf
Papa Smurf
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Hello MonoBiblical, I'm confused. On the one hand you seem to be saying that we must atone for our own sins now, but on the other, that Jesus does this for us. So, which is it (or do you mean something else perhaps)
Thanks
--Papa Smurf
p.s. - one last minor point and question (for clairity's sake), you said, "by His stripes, they were healed". Who does the "they" that you are referring to there include
(I ask because the Bible says "we are healed" .. Isaiah 53:5 and "you were healed" .. 1 Peter 2:24)Dying for sins could imply someone advocated them.Hello again MonoBiblical, I meant to ask you about this earlier, what you meant by "He [Jesus] wanted to cause our sins", that is. So, what do you mean
Thanks!
God bless you!!
--Papa Smurf
There is a difference between pardoning sins and atoning them. Perhaps, while some can have their pardoned by God, only the someone can atone for them. Forgiveness, pardon, and atonement are different.Hello MonoBiblical, I'm confused. On the one hand you seem to be saying that we must atone for our own sins now, but on the other, that Jesus does this for us. So, which is it (or do you mean something else perhaps)
Thanks
--Papa Smurf
p.s. - one last minor point and question (for clairity's sake), you said, "by His stripes, they were healed". Who does the "they" that you are referring to there include
Wick Stick
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Technically, yes.
Pardon comes from the judge or governor.
Forgiveness typically comes from the person you wronged, though Biblically it can also be a third-party that "takes" the guilt and deals with it.
Atonement covers up the wrong-doing.
But that's being pretty technical. The final outcome is the same for all of them. The Bible uses them interchangeably at times:
Numbers 14:19 Pardon, I beseech thee, the iniquity of this people according unto the greatness of thy mercy, and as thou hast forgiven this people, from Egypt even until now.
I'm not sure that it's useful to make the differentiation.
