St. SteVen said:
I say that God is magnanimous. You say He's not.
I say that God is magnanimous. You say He's not.
Which is it?
Is God Magnanimous? - (as opposed to tyrannical)
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Quoting Jesus:
Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be SCREAMING and gnashing of teeth.
I realize you don't believe Him, but you will. Very soon. Israel is Home.
St. SteVen said:
It is you, not I, that is describing God as a tyrant.
I say that God is magnanimous. You say He's not.
You are describing God as a tyrant.
I don't believe that.
It is you, not I, that is describing God as a tyrant.
I say that God is magnanimous. You say He's not.
This seems to prove my point.
You are describing God as a tyrant.
I don't believe that.
Quoting STV: "no wonder I don't trust the Bible".
Who is your god? Don't have a clue?
Pavel Mosko
Active Member
I believe that God is Magnanimous in the long run. But I got to say, I have a big problem with people, especially Calvinists and people that are strong ultra Augustinians on issues of theodicy. Here is something that really bothers me, to the point of needing to actually write about it. You got some one online who has had tough times, trail of faiths, than you got some kind of Original Sin thumping Calvinist that basically in so many words basically says "You got not right to complain" and then in some ways talks about Original Sin and how the person has failed at being perfect and God demands it etc., etc.
This kind of bothers me and is so over the top, that it kind of really does eventually give the God of the Bible, a real Gnostic Demiurge vibe. It is kind of like my old dead uncles favorite version of the Golden Rule, "The One with the Gold makes the Rules" except replace Gold with Power. Anyway, this type of concept I think does Christianity a disservice. It can be a little like Eliphaz in the book of Job, giving Cold Comfort, or worse fault finding etc. I also think that it kind of a Misanthropic Theology. Those folks so emphasize Original Sin that it would basically make me wonder why God gave his Only Begotten Son for humanity in the first place. Because to me the picture I get from how they talk it would be like a human father giving his only son on behalf of saving this giant colony of flies and maggots living on a putrid garbage and feces dump. Basically, it makes me want to question God intelligence or sanity, more than marvel at his great love. And that I think is the real problem with it, in getting stuck fighting Pelagianism you get into all these extremist positions where messages about God's Creation Being Created Good and How God Created everything out of love, with a noble purpose gets lost.
Dan Clarkston
Well-Known Member
Some questions produce strife between those asking the question and the Lord
Any question that is asking if God's Word is actually true or not would be accusing God of not being truthful in His Word which is another way of saying God is a liar.
This is one of the old devil's tactics and is one he used on Adam and Eve when he ask them "did God really say?" as he sought to deceive them in to questioning what God had told them as not being the Truth. The devil still operates this way today quite effectively.
Questions like that are demonstrating to the Lord that a person has chosen to NOT believe what God has already said in His Word and that causes division between that person and the Lord.
So anybody asking if God is a tyrant is creating strife between themselves and the Lord. They may as well be asking if God is satan
Dan Clarkston
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And yet your question was - "Is God Magnanimous? as opposed to tyrannical"
You framed the question as though God could be a tyrant
That's the Holy Spirit letting you know these people are the tares Jesus warned about.
Wick Stick
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Do you think, perhaps, that Christianity is really 2 religions?
One where people accept God as their patron, who blesses them.
Another where people accept God as their judge, who curses them.
I see both of those in the church. I am not sure these two groups are the same people. They do not seem to be cut from the same cloth.
Dan Clarkston
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Wick Stick
Well-Known Member
Oh that isn't just my church, I said the church.I'm glad I don't go to your so called "church"
It doesn't seem to be a new thing, either. Look at them Pharisees and Sadducees in your NT
Dan Clarkston
Well-Known Member
They are not a part of the Body of Christ which is THE Church of the First Born, Who is Jesus Christ.
Where you went in to the ditch is believing Christianity is a religion. It is not.
Christianity is God Almighty and His Family walking together in unity, aka the Body of Christ.
Only God's enemies (the carnal minded refusing to submit to the Lord) can expect to be cursed by God because God has condemned sin in the flesh so they cause themselves to be cursed by refusing to submit which is why they reap what they sow (corruption)
You're confusing the tares with Real Christians
Wick Stick
Well-Known Member
Dan Clarkston
Well-Known Member
You said "the church".
The Body of Christ (Real Christians) is not made up of tares and the Pharisees and Sadducees aren't members.
Wick Stick
Well-Known Member
The wheat and the tares are planted in the same field.
And not separated until AFTER the harvest.
So as not to HARM any of the healthy plants.
Dan Clarkston
Well-Known Member
And they STILL aren't members of the Body of Christ.
Just because a person goes to church claiming to be a Christian and talks a little Christian jargon doesn't make them a Christian ya know.
Wick Stick
Well-Known Member
Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Dan Clarkston
Well-Known Member
Uh oh, posting these scriptures is like ringing the dinner bell for the annihilationism people
They'll be here shortly claiming Jesus lied to us about hell.
I blame the church of Rome.
On the other hand, they did give us Purgatory. - LOL
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