Reason for The Crusades explained

[Matthias]

We know your hate filled opinion.

You’re the one with the sword in his hand, not him. You’re the one who is sad the darkest era in Christian history is over, not him.

You’re also the one who believes and is teaching others to believe that Jesus lied.

What we don’t know is your capacity to consider ideas outside yourself, like the facts of history in people honoring the Crusades by naming schools after them.

I don’t think people honoring the Crusaders by naming schools after them is breaking news.

The contrast between the facts of history and your hate filled opinion shows how Christendom has drifted to be overly spiritualized. Anything addressing our soulful needs is met with contempt, including our need for safety and security IN THIS WORLD.

Christian history isn’t on your side. If you would take the time to read the Ante Nicene Fathers you would find that out for yourself. You’ve chosen to live in ignorance. I think that’s a poor decision but no one can make your decision for you.

The informed aren’t persuaded by the ignorant.

 

[Anchorite]

 

[Matthias]

Absurdity -> Jesus and the apostles taught the followers of Jesus to slaughter their enemies.

”Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” - Votaire

Did the crusaders commit atrocities?

Holy Horrors: The Crusades

Pope Urban II launched the First Crusade in 1095 to wrest the Holy Land from infidels. "Deus Vult" (God wills it) became the rallying cry.

churchandstate.org.uk

@Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear you support it.

 

[Matthias]

Absurdity -> Jesus and the apostles taught the followers of Jesus to torture their enemies.

Torture During the Crusades: Medieval Cruelty Exposed

Discover the horrors of torture during the Crusades ⚔️. From the iron maiden to rack torture, explore medieval cruelty and violence in the name of faith.

medievaltorturemuseum.com

@Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear

The crusaders used torture devices. You support it.

Torture is cruelty. Cruelty isn’t a characteristic of followers of Jesus.

 

[Matthias]

Roman persecution of Christianity is very well documented. Number of Crusades called for by Jesus, the apostles, pastors, elders, deacons, etc. and carried out against the Romans during the first three centuries of Christian history?

@Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear should be able to easily produce the statistics for us to examine.

 

[Matthias]

A slide from David Guzik’s presentation on the Crusades and the Inquisition:

“Some Reasons Why the Crusaders Went

* To secure access to the sites considered holy to Christians.

* To receive forgiveness of sins.

* To indulge lust for adventure, blood, and wealth.

* To help the Christians in the East.

* To exercise the claimed dominion of the popes over all the world.”

@Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear didn’t share this information with us.

P.S.

Guzik makes clear in the video that he isn’t speaking about all of the reasons the crusaders went, saying that there were “many,” not just the reasons listed in his slide.

 

[Matthias]

“Perhaps the victory of the First Crusade was a pyrrhic victory, for it seemed that though we had gained the whole world, we had lost our souls.”

(Christian Jihad, p. 132)

The reader should hear an echo of Jesus in the words of these Christian authors:

”What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?“ (Matthew 16:26).

“To exercise the claimed dominion of the popes over all the world.” - Guzik

What good will it be for the popes? What good will it be for the crusaders? What good will it be for those who are “sad” that the Crusades came to an end? What good will it be for those who appeal to it in order to support their desire to kill their enemies?

***

The Inquisition is connected with the Crusades. It’s all part of Roman Catholic history. I haven’t decided yet whether or not to continue quoting from Christian Jihad concerning the Inquisition.

If I receive confirmation from @Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear that any of them support the Inquisition, then I certainly will. If I don’t receive that confirmation, I may or may not.

For anyone who may be unclear about my position on the Inquisition, I will state for the record that I stand in opposition to it and condemn it. It is evil.

 

[Matthias]

Christians torturing anyone, for any reason, should be …



@Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear

 

[Matthias]

I read something yesterday which is prompting me this afternoon to ask, What did Pope Urban II look like? From a Roman Catholic website:

Saint of the Day – 29 July – Blessed Pope Urban II (c 1035-1099) Bishop

Saint of the Day – 29 July – Blessed Pope Urban II (c 1035-1099) Bishop, Pope, Abbot, Confessor – born Odo of Châtillon or Otho de Lagery, was Pope from 12 March 1088 to his death…

anastpaul.com

I don’t know how accurate the representation is but since Roman Catholics don’t object to it, neither will I.

If @Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear - who support him - want to provide a different portrait for our consideration, I invite them to do so.

I’ve spent a few minutes studying his face. I would like for my readers to take a few minutes to study it too.

 

[NayborBear]

I read something yesterday which is prompting me this afternoon to ask, What did Pope Urban II look like? From a Roman Catholic website:

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Saint of the Day – 29 July – Blessed Pope Urban II (c 1035-1099) Bishop

Saint of the Day – 29 July – Blessed Pope Urban II (c 1035-1099) Bishop, Pope, Abbot, Confessor – born Odo of Châtillon or Otho de Lagery, was Pope from 12 March 1088 to his death…

anastpaul.com

I don’t know how accurate the representation is but since Roman Catholics don’t object to it, neither will I.

If @Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear - who support him - want to provide a different portrait for our consideration, I invite them to do so.

I’ve spent a few minutes studying his face. I would like for my readers to take a few minutes to study it too.

Here's my "take" on it!
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then!

 

[Matthias]

Here's my "take" on it!
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then!

The “nut” is the slaughter of Muslims, Jews, and Christians.

Did you spend a few minutes looking at his face? If you did, what did you see?

 

[Matthias]

Here’s another face that I’ve been studying for a few minutes this afternoon. It’s a genuine photograph of the person. I’d like for my readers to study the man’s face for a few minutes too -



What do you see when you study his face?

@Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear what do you see?

This will bring me to what I read yesterday (post #1969).

 

[Anchorite]

I read something yesterday which is prompting me this afternoon to ask, What did Pope Urban II look like?

Pope Urban II (reigned 1088–1099) is primarily known for initiating the First Crusade (1096–1099) by delivering a powerful sermon at the Council of Clermont in 1095.

He urged Christians to take up the cross, and weapons, to “help” the Byzantine Empire and reclaim the Holy Land, rallying them to armed pilgrimage with the battle cry "Deus vult!" (God wills it!).

He also promoted clergy celibacy.

His legacy is stained with blood, gore, and pillaging loot.

 

[Jay Ross]

“Perhaps the victory of the First Crusade was a pyrrhic victory, for it seemed that though we had gained the whole world, we had lost our souls.”

(Christian Jihad, p. 132)

A Pyrrhic victory is a win achieved at such a high cost to the victor that it is equivalent to a defeat. It describes a situation where winning the battle or argument results in losses (such as casualties, money, or reputation) so severe that they outweigh the benefits of the success.

 

[NayborBear]

The “nut” is the slaughter of Muslims, Jews, and Christians.

Did you spend a few minutes looking at his face? If you did, what did you see?

Yanno? You MAY or may have not been a teacher.
But "I" can certainly say?
I am NOT one of your students! Or A student at all!
What did YOU see?
Seeings how you seemingly adore ASKING questions, but not answering them.

 

[Jay Ross]

Here’s another face that I’ve been studying for a few minutes this afternoon. It’s a genuine photograph of the person. I’d like for my readers to study the man’s face for a few minutes too -

What do you see when you study his face?

That the face was not nicked to draw any blood while he was shaving that afternoon.

 

[Matthias]

Yanno? You MAY or may have not been a teacher.

The IRS has the receipts.

But "I" can certainly say?
I am NOT one of your students!

That’s a fact. Has someone here suggested that you are?

Or A student at all!

Please see my thread, Continuing Education.

What did YOU see?

I’m going to tell you, using the story I alluded to in post #1969.

Seeings how you seemingly adore ASKING questions …

I ask questions in order to learn.

… but not answering them.

That’s not true.

 

[Matthias]

That the face was not nicked to draw any blood while he was shaving that afternoon.

That’s a detail I hadn’t noticed.

Btw, it’s the face of Adolf Eichmann.

For readers who may not know who he was -

Adolf Eichmann | Holocaust Encyclopedia

Charged with managing the mass deportation of Jews to ghettos and killing centers, Adolf Eichmann was a key figure in the "Final Solution."

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

 

[NayborBear]

That’s a fact. Has someone here suggested that you are?

Azza matter of treating people like they are "In a Class?"
Why Yes!
Of course there must be a fine line between "suggesting by insinuation" by the treatment of.....Right?
I, and others have given you AMPLE reasons as to why and what happens in the "craziness of WAR!"
And Reasons for DEFENDING THE FAITH! That IS OURS! In, and THROUGH Christ Jesus!
And I'm sorry/NOT sorry you find SUCH OFFENSE at this!
But, yet?.....You no learny!
ONLY wanna Teachy!
Perhaps ONE day, you'll "get it!"
Should you ever reach or pursue the "HIGH CALLING OF GOD!" In AND through Christ Jesus!
1 Peter 2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, ACCEPTABLE to God BY Jesus Christ.
See what I mean?
Probably not!

 

[Matthias]

From my X / Twitter “For you” feed yesterday -

”Adolf Eichmann, a high-ranking Nazi and one of the architects of the Holocaust, fled to South America after World War II.

In 1962, he was captured and brought to Israel for trial.

During the proceedings, the prosecution brought in survivors from Nazi death camps to testify against him.

One of them, Yehiel Dinur, entered the courtroom and came face to face with Eichmann, who was seated in a glass box. The moment Dinur saw him, he collapsed to the ground, shaking and sobbing uncomtrollably.

Years later, in an interview with 60 Minutes, journalist Mike Wallace asked Dinur if his reaction had been caused by traumatic memories from the concentration camps.

’No,’ Dinur replied. ‘It was not the memories that made me collapse. It was the realization that Eichmann was not a demon. He was an ordinary man.

Hannah Arendt, a journalist for the New Yorker, attended Eichmann’s trial and later wrote about it.

She noted that Eichmann was not a psychopath, not a man burning with sadistic hatred. He was ordinary.

That is what made him so terrifying. He was a man who followed orders, who did his job, who justified the horrors he participated in without ever questioning them.

All humans have the capacity for evil. We all have within us the ability to justify unspeakable horrors if the conditions are right.

The question is not whether we are capable of evil, but what prevents us from committing it?

Most religions restrain human evil. They set moral boundaries, condemning acts of violence, injustice, and cruelty.

Christianity commands its followers to love their enemies, forgive those who harm them, and refuse vengeance.

Judaism, despite its history of persecution, never formed a doctrine commanding global conquest or the extermination of non-Jews.

Islam, however, does the opposite. …”

https://x.com/danburmawy/status/2053104285001343384?s=46&t=T64e94h2unfHH-VO4i01zA

What did I see when I studied the faces of Pope Urban II and Adolf Eichmann?

I saw ordinary men @NayborBear. It wasn’t until I considered their resumes that I saw something different, something truly distinctive, about them.